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RollerDoc 10-28-2008 08:06 PM

Hypothetical: Eclipse of The Decade Awards
 
Now that the Breeders Cup has passed, and awaiting announcements of Eclipse winners for 2008, we are close to 90% complete with this decade. In my on-going quest to learn about this sport, (not just the past few years), I was wondering if you wouldn't mind helping with this brief exercise.

Hypothetically, if you had to select Eclipse Awards for this decade 2000-present, who would your picks be (only one per category) for the following categories. It would also be helpful to me if you put the year next to the names as well. Even if you just answer a few of these if you don't have the time would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Best American Horse of the Decade

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Male Horse of the Decade

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Filly of the Decade

Best American Champion Older Male Horse of the Decade

American Champion Older Female Horse Horse of The Decade

Outstanding Owner of the Decade

Outstanding Breeder of the Decade

Outstanding Trainer of the Decade

Outstanding Jockey of the Decade

National Thoroughbred Racing Association Moment of the Decade

Cannon Shell 10-28-2008 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Now that the Breeders Cup has passed, and awaiting announcements of Eclipse winners for 2008, we are close to 90% complete with this decade. In my on-going quest to learn about this sport, (not just the past few years), I was wondering if you wouldn't mind helping with this brief exercise.

Hypothetically, if you had to select Eclipse Awards for this decade 2000-present, who would your picks be (only one per category) for the following categories. It would also be helpful to me if you put the year next to the names as well. Even if you just answer a few of these if you don't have the time would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Best American Horse of the Decade Tapit

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Male Horse of the Decade Teufelsburg

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Filly of the Decade Dreaming of Anna

Best American Champion Older Male Horse of the Decade Perfect Drift

American Champion Older Female Horse Horse of The Decade Kickin N Screamin

Outstanding Owner of the Decade DEE TEE STABLE

Outstanding Breeder of the Decade Freddy Mo

Outstanding Trainer of the Decade Stephanie Beatie

Outstanding Jockey of the Decade P Val

National Thoroughbred Racing Association Moment of the Decade Steve Byk being named to the horseplayers committee

:$: :$: :$:

RollerDoc 10-28-2008 08:24 PM

OK, I will do this to the best of my ability since I have only been watching this sport for a few years. I am not doing this to be ridiculed and hope to learn.

Best American Horse of the Decade - Invasor 2006

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Male Horse of the Decade - Smarty Jones 2004

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Filly of the Decade Rags To Riches 2007

Best American Champion Older Male Horse of the Decade - Don't Know

American Champion Older Female Horse Horse of The Decade - Don't Know

Outstanding Owner of the Decade - Roy and Gretchen Jackson

Outstanding Breeder of the Decade - Don't Know

Outstanding Trainer of the Decade - Bob Baffert

Outstanding Jockey of the Decade - Edgar Pado

National Thoroughbred Racing Association Moment of the Decade Jeremy Rose and Afleet Alex 2005 Preakness

Cannon Shell 10-28-2008 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
OK, I will do this to the best of my ability since I have only been watching this sport for a few years. I am not doing this to be ridiculed and hope to learn.

Best American Horse of the Decade - Invasor 2006

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Male Horse of the Decade - Smarty Jones 2004

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Filly of the Decade Rags To Riches 2007

Best American Champion Older Male Horse of the Decade - Don't Know

American Champion Older Female Horse Horse of The Decade - Don't Know

Outstanding Owner of the Decade - Roy and Gretchen Jackson

Outstanding Breeder of the Decade - Don't Know

Outstanding Trainer of the Decade - Bob Baffert

Outstanding Jockey of the Decade - Edgar Pado

National Thoroughbred Racing Association Moment of the Decade Jeremy Rose and Afleet Alex 2005 Preakness

I liked mine better. Who is this Dont Know? was he a trannie horse? How else could he/she win older male and filly awards not to mention breeder?

blackthroatedwind 10-28-2008 08:54 PM

Invasor couldn't have warmed up Ghostzapper. Smarty Jones would have been in a similar predicament versus Bernardini and Point Given.

RollerDoc 10-28-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Invasor couldn't have warmed up Ghostzapper. Smarty Jones would have been in a similar predicament versus Bernardini and Point Given.

I don't expect my entries to be even close to right. I was just trying to start it to the best of my ability so others could truly list what those awards should be. I'd be very interested in knowing about the cream of the crop of this past decade.

King Glorious 10-28-2008 09:04 PM

Best 3yo-Smarty Jones, 2004
Best 3yo filly-Surfside, 2000
Best older male-Ghostzapper, 2004
Best older female-Azeri, 2002
Best horse-Ghostzapper

The Bid 10-28-2008 09:04 PM

With or without Ghostzappers raceday milkshake

blackthroatedwind 10-28-2008 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
With or without Ghostzappers raceday milkshake


Which horses were running clean?

The Bid 10-28-2008 09:21 PM

not gz

Invasor was clean

blackthroatedwind 10-28-2008 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
not gz

Invasor was clean

You say this stuff like you know, one way or the other, and you just don't. I'm not saying one was dirty, or both, or anything of the kind....and honestly, you shouldn't either.

The Bid 10-28-2008 09:32 PM

It is what I believe.

I also believe Invasor was a better horse than GZ

dalakhani 10-28-2008 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Now that the Breeders Cup has passed, and awaiting announcements of Eclipse winners for 2008, we are close to 90% complete with this decade. In my on-going quest to learn about this sport, (not just the past few years), I was wondering if you wouldn't mind helping with this brief exercise.

Hypothetically, if you had to select Eclipse Awards for this decade 2000-present, who would your picks be (only one per category) for the following categories. It would also be helpful to me if you put the year next to the names as well. Even if you just answer a few of these if you don't have the time would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Best American Horse of the Decade Ghostzapper
Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Male Horse of the Decade Point Given
Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Filly of the Decade Madcap Escapade;)
Best American Champion Older Male Horse of the Decade Ghostzapper

American Champion Older Female Horse Horse of The Decade Zenyatta

Outstanding Owner of the Decade Sheikh Mo
Outstanding Breeder of the Decade HH AGA Khan

Outstanding Trainer of the Decade [Bobby frankel

[/b]Outstanding Jockey of the Decade Jerry Bailey
National Thoroughbred Racing Association Moment of the Decade

Okay, no tomatoes.

dalakhani 10-28-2008 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
It is what I believe.

I also believe Invasor was a better horse than GZ

Yes, and i believe Sarah Palin is brighter than Marilyn Vos Savant.

The Bid 10-28-2008 09:49 PM

have you mailed me the 100 yet?

Cannon Shell 10-28-2008 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
not gz

Invasor was clean

Whoa.....

Cannon Shell 10-28-2008 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Okay, no tomatoes.

Zarkava in no way should be named older female of the decade.

dalakhani 10-28-2008 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Zarkava in no way should be named older female of the decade.

Azeri? Riboletta? Spain? Ashado?

dalakhani 10-28-2008 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Zarkava in no way should be named older female of the decade.

LOL. shes only three and not american. i meant zenyatta you invenerate.

Cannon Shell 10-29-2008 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
LOL. shes only three and not american. i meant zenyatta you invenerate.

You made a Rex Grossmanlike decision.... and i'm the vertebrae?

Danzig 10-29-2008 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Zarkava in no way should be named older female of the decade.

isn't she three? i thought older female went to four and up, since there's a separate award for the younger sets...

Antitrust32 10-29-2008 08:46 AM

Ouiji Board (if i spelled that right) should easily be the older mare of the decade.

dalakhani 10-29-2008 09:16 AM

The criteria said older american and i accidentally put "zarkava" instead of "zenyatta".

Zenyatta is the best older mare i have seen this decade with Azeri being a close second.

It would be interesting to see a field with these fillies and mares on dirt 9f at Belmont:

Sigthseek
Zenyatta
Azeri
Spain
Riboletta
Ashado
Heritage of Gold
Beautiful Pleasure

Antitrust32 10-29-2008 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
The criteria said older american and i accidentally put "zarkava" instead of "zenyatta".

Zenyatta is the best older mare i have seen this decade with Azeri being a close second.

It would be interesting to see a field with these fillies and mares on dirt 9f at Belmont:

Sigthseek
Zenyatta
Azeri
Spain
Riboletta
Ashado
Heritage of Gold
Beautiful Pleasure

I like your list here.. eventhough I dont remember if HoG or BP ran in the 90's or 00's... all the years kinda mix for me.. which is bad cause I havent had too many years here..

Ouiji Board did run in North America though, a few times and it was PRETTY good!!

I think she's way better than anyone on that list besides maybe Zenyetta (whom OB is probably only slightly better than).

slotdirt 10-29-2008 09:24 AM

This reminds me of an argument I had yesterday with someone who thinks Zenyatta is the best filly since Personal Ensign.

philcski 10-29-2008 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Now that the Breeders Cup has passed, and awaiting announcements of Eclipse winners for 2008, we are close to 90% complete with this decade. In my on-going quest to learn about this sport, (not just the past few years), I was wondering if you wouldn't mind helping with this brief exercise.

Hypothetically, if you had to select Eclipse Awards for this decade 2000-present, who would your picks be (only one per category) for the following categories. It would also be helpful to me if you put the year next to the names as well. Even if you just answer a few of these if you don't have the time would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Best American Horse of the Decade Ghostzapper

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Male Horse of the Decade Smarty Jones

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Filly of the Decade Xtra Heat


Best American Champion Older Male Horse of the Decade Ghostzapper


American Champion Older Female Horse Horse of The Decade Azeri... with Zenyatta a 1A

Outstanding Owner of the Decade Adena

Outstanding Breeder of the Decade Adena


Outstanding Trainer of the Decade Chuck Simon


Outstanding Jockey of the Decade Dihagi Gladney


National Thoroughbred Racing Association Moment of the Decade Afleet Alex, Preakness

my colorful selections

cmorioles 10-29-2008 11:33 AM

I barely remember the horses that ran last month, let alone 8 years ago.

The Bid 10-30-2008 08:52 AM

Cant you split outstandin jock between Gladney and Men Chen

Thunder Gulch 10-30-2008 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Now that the Breeders Cup has passed, and awaiting announcements of Eclipse winners for 2008, we are close to 90% complete with this decade. In my on-going quest to learn about this sport, (not just the past few years), I was wondering if you wouldn't mind helping with this brief exercise.

Hypothetically, if you had to select Eclipse Awards for this decade 2000-present, who would your picks be (only one per category) for the following categories. It would also be helpful to me if you put the year next to the names as well. Even if you just answer a few of these if you don't have the time would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Best American Horse of the Decade - Ghostzapper

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Male Horse of the Decade- Smarty Jones

Best American Champion Three-Year-Old Filly of the Decade- Rags to Riches

Best American Champion Older Male Horse of the Decade- Ghostzaper

American Champion Older Female Horse Horse of The Decade- Zenyatta, thought Ouija Board was the best to race in America

Outstanding Owner of the Decade- Roy and Gretchen Jackson.

Outstanding Breeder of the Decade- Adena

Outstanding Trainer of the Decade-Pletcher. Like him or not he has smashed all records this decade.

Outstanding Jockey of the Decade- Bailey first half.

National Thoroughbred Racing Association Moment of the Decade

-Afleet Alex in the Preakness.

philcski 10-30-2008 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Bid
Cant you split outstandin jock between Gladney and Men Chen

Maylan Studart just went by them both

cakes44 10-30-2008 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalakhani
The criteria said older american and i accidentally put "zarkava" instead of "zenyatta".

Zenyatta is the best older mare i have seen this decade with Azeri being a close second.

It would be interesting to see a field with these fillies and mares on dirt 9f at Belmont:

Sigthseek
Zenyatta
Azeri
Spain
Riboletta
Ashado
Heritage of Gold
Beautiful Pleasure

Is this the same Ashado that lost by 9+ lengths in the 2005 BC distaff?

smuthg 10-30-2008 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I like your list here.. eventhough I dont remember if HoG or BP ran in the 90's or 00's... all the years kinda mix for me.. which is bad cause I havent had too many years here..

Ouiji Board did run in North America though, a few times and it was PRETTY good!!

I think she's way better than anyone on that list besides maybe Zenyetta (whom OB is probably only slightly better than).

I think there is an argument that Ouija Board is the best horse to run on the turf in the US this decade. If you lined up the 8 or 9 BC Turf winners and put her in the field, I'd bet she's no worse than 3rd choice...

hrfan 10-30-2008 04:19 PM

this Smarty Jones stuff is kinda funny.
Bernardini would have blown him away.

Danzig 10-30-2008 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by hrfan
this Smarty Jones stuff is kinda funny.
Bernardini would have blown him away.

hard to say that that's true, but i would think bernardini was a bit more accomplished. but that's only because he lasted longer thru the year than smarty, and was able to face older horses, something smarty didn't get to attempt.

Thunder Gulch 10-31-2008 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
hard to say that that's true, but i would think bernardini was a bit more accomplished. but that's only because he lasted longer thru the year than smarty, and was able to face older horses, something smarty didn't get to attempt.

Bernandini beat one sad field of olders then lost to Invasor- nothing to be ashamed of there. It would be interesting to see who would win if the two raced 10f, but up to there, I'd take Smarty.


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