Manny...
 

If I hear one more person say Manny is the greatest right handed hitter in baseball history I will scream. He is not even the best right handed hitter in the National League, now.

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He's the best since Joe Dimaggio, duh! :rolleyes:

However, he is an all time great. The guy can take some pitches long that no one else can even make contact with. He's ALOT better than I ever gaVe him credit for.

Pujols is better

Could .."oh it's just Sara being Sara"...work?





Ah don't thank so.

I'll take Manny and a dab of Lafayette's finest "V" over Pujols.

Seriously though, they are 1 and 1A in my eyes. They both give pitchers nightmares. I'd say Pujols has more 'power', but they are both great avg. hitters.

Manny's year in '99 is unheard of, as is Pujols' '03 campaign. It is ultra-tough to give the nod to either player. I hope Pujols can keep these numbers the rest of his career. That would be sick.

I'd like to see when all is said and done and the careers of some of these guys are over -- how they ultimately stack up against, let's say, Willie Mays.

BTW, I am sure some of you caught the Costas special with Hank and Willie.

Eric

David Ortiz, when healthy, is better than both of them.

I think Pujols needs to play for about 6 more years at a level similar to what his level is right now for that statement to really be true.

Ortiz is not nearly good as manny and isnt close to Pujols

8 years isnt enough? He is a better hitter than ramirez period. He outpaces him in every meaningful stat. He is a better pure hitter, scores more, hits more doubles, hit the same amount of HR's and Rbis, strikeouts far less, walks more, is better hitter for average, has a better OBP, a higher slugging percentage and has played in a far weaker hitting park with lesser hitters hitting in front of him and behind him. He is also a tremendous playoff hitter and has never had anything even remotely close to an off year. If it werent for Bonds he would have 4 MVP's to add to this years.

All of this is true. i dont think that is a slight on Manny though. Pujols has been an incredible player. It will be interesting to see how his elbow holds up.

Pujols is the best hitter in the game, period. Manny's great, but neither he nor Ortiz are on the same level as Pujols.

No it's not enough. Ramirez has hit over .320 4 times in his 30s. Pujols is still 28. Ramirez hit .349 at age 30 and .332 at age 36. There is every chance Pujols will be better in his 30s than Ramirez and from age 21 through age 28 PUjols has compiled better numbers than Ramirez....fine. It's way too early for me to say which one is definitively better. Was Pass was a better two year old than Curlin. Which one is better?? I still think longevity counts for something in both baseball and horse racing. Ramirez has done it at the highest level for 15 years now. Pujols hasn't done that yet. He likely will which is fine. When he does that I'll say he is definitively better. He'll never have better hair than Manny however.

It was horrible without question. Albert Pujols was 28 this year. Manny Ramirez had a better year at 28 than Pujols did this year.

LOL, Pujols hit .357 with 37 and 116. At 28, Manny hit .351 with 38 and 122. To you that's distinctively better? Manny also walked 86 times that year with 117 strikeouts, while this year Pujols walked 104 times with 54 strikeouts.

To me, walks to strikeout ratio is a very underrated statistic when it comes to judging hitters. Pujols hasn't had 70 strikeouts in a season since his rookie year, while Manny has had 100+ in 11 seasons. Even if you want to say their AVG/HR/RBI numbers are similar (which isn't really true), Pujols' ability to always make contact is unmatched by Manny (or just about anyone of his caliber).

Jhonny being Jhonny.

Honestly i'm not knocking manny in any way just pointing out the media frenzy that surrounds every guy that acts a little crazy. He is not the greatest righthanded batter right now let alone all time. There are other guys like Hank Aaron, Joe D, Willie Mays, Frank Robinson, Jimmie Foxx, in addition to Pujols who the media seems to have forgotten or worse just doesnt know about or ignores. Manny is a great hitter and you can say he is in the conversation but imo after 8 years Pujols is a better overall hitter than Manny.

Double X is baseballs best kept secret.


Fans should take a look at his career record. It's amazing.When he was done he was 2nd to Ruth in hr's.

You forced him to hit one out. How much of this has to do with the fact he basically has jungle rope for hair, and Pujols has a razor cut?

The Sampson effect?

Pujols is more tame than Manny. I think you feel less threatened by him.

I am an Astros fan. He has scarred my fandom. Like Pettite said, "Oh my God...."

How far back Astros fan? JR Richard back or killer B's back?

I thought I was the only Astro fan on the board. Unfortunately, our farm system sucks and so will we for the forseeable future.

That's probably the last at bat of Kent's career, and he goes down on a bad strike 3. Pretty low strike 3 on Martin earlier. Do they ever grade these old guys or what?

Jimmy Wynn and Joe Morgan

Astros have never won a ring. Why you like them? White as chalk? or what?

Yeah it aint pretty

Red State team

So are the D'BACKS, and they gunna be very mean next year.

I grew up there. Probably made 15-20 games a year when in high school. Sat in the cheap seats in the outfield. Tried to never miss J R Richards or Nolan Ryan when they were pitching. Was able to see Ryan's 5th no hitter against the Dodgers.:D

Wasnt that a Saturday NBC game of the week?

Where is Scavs? Tell me, doesn't that lady married to the owner of the Dodgers look like a Saluki?

JR was a Dodger killer. Was just starting to become a really dominant pitcher when he was stricken.

Hope she doesnt look like Scavs

I also kinda followed the Pirates too but never was a true fan. Though i did enjoy the WS when they beat Baltimore because my brother is an obsessive Oriole fan. As a kid I also liked the Angels until they signed Reggie when I gave them up. Always hated the Yankees and never really liked the mets either. Was a closet Expos fan but it was hard to follow them.

Had a career avg. of .325.






Yup.

had 175 Rbis in 1938 while walking 119 times, impossible to imagine.