PETA - Big Brown
 

OMG!!! This may need to go to the BS thread.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/gameon/200...wants-big.html

They might get "lucky" in that he turns up sterile :rolleyes:
Thats the only way I don't foresee any future "baby brownies"

As long as they humanely lop off his balls I assume.

PETA also sent a letter, seriously, to Ben and Jerry's encouraging them to use human milk to make ice cream.

I can only imagine the ad campaign.

Harvey Pincher would be a perfect fit...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZobUR4u6v0

Check this wacko who works for Peta and changed her name

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/10/14/cut....ap/index.html

Unreal... and they wonder why everyone thinks PETA is a bunch of nut jobs with no contact to reality.

What a whackadoo...I would have loved to have seen a stunt like this pulled when I was in hs. This broad wouldnt hear the end of it.

PETA is like the little kid who screams at the top of his/her lungs just to be heard. Shows just how significant they are too. The more stupid stuff they do, the less anyone takes them seriously.

October 14, 2008

Michael Iavarone, Co-President/Co-CEO
Richard J. Schiavo, Co-President/Co-CEO
International Equine Acquisitions Holdings, Inc.
595 Stewart Ave., Suite 810
Garden City, NY 11530

1 page via fax

Dear Messrs. Iavarone and Schiavo,

On behalf of PETA’s two million members and supporters, I am writing to extend our condolences on Big Brown’s injuries, which are reportedly serious enough to be career ending, and to ask you to take a very difficult step. For the good of future generations of thoroughbreds, we ask you not to stand Big Brown at stud. Rather than pass on the traits of a horse who has been plagued by injuries throughout his brief career, we ask that you geld and retire Big Brown.

Following the breakdown and death of Eight Belles, questions that had been confined to racing insiders became public: What has happened to thoroughbreds? Why are more than 700 horses suffering catastrophic injuries resulting in deaths on the race track every year? Some of the problems are attributed to breeding. Stallions with the fewest starts, whose careers are cut short by injury or fear of injury, are more likely to be bred than horses with longer racing careers. Logical people are questioning why unsound horses are being bred.

One of the issues is that the use of legal drugs such as phenylbutazone has contributed to keeping unsound horses competing and thus covering up weaknesses. But as important, the desire for speed appears to have trumped common sense. Numerous media outlets reported that all 20 of the horses who competed in this year’s Kentucky Derby had genes from Native Dancer—a winning horse who likely passed along a tendency toward unsoundness along with his speed.

Native Dancer, too, was retired for leg injuries. Like Native Dancer, Big Brown’s ascendency has been marred by ongoing leg and hoof problems, including a quarter crack in his hoof just before the Belmont Stakes. Will you set aside your own desire for profit and do what’s right for the horses? These animals have brought you fame and fortune. Perhaps now you could find it in your hearts to do them a favor.

Best regards,

Kathy Guillermo
Director of Research

Holy Mother of God!!

Not as nasty a tone as I'm used to from Peta, but I thought that they were against castration of animals.

With all due respect to Big Brown, he is a talented and gutsy horse, I do understand the viewpoint of the letter . Soundness is sacrificed for a short and speedy career insofar as breeding goes .

Seriously, I know PETA = bad!!! BAD PETA!!! but haven't many of you been saying basically the same thing this year? How it's a shame that a horse with such bad feet is going to be passing his genes on to hundreds of new thoroughbreds?

I thought the same exact thing. They aren't totally offbase here.

Good to know PETA would support and sponsor horse racing if certain breeding practices were followed.

Ouch...funny, but it makes one squirm.:eek:

Brown was sound enough to be the star of the 3yo division.

If some of his offspring have soft feet and can't race - they aren't gonna make it to breeding. These things have a way of working themselves out.

How does this make sense? If Big Brown made it to breeding, why couldn't his offspring if they were good enough?

I may be in the minority here... but imho BB is a more legitimate candidate for stud duty than at least half the stud population out there right now.....unless I missed something his retirement is not due to soundness issues but rather due to an injury that was sustained during training....and while it has been pretty well documented that he has had feet problems, I'm of the opinion that there are few if any horses that don't have some type of issues during there racing career.... I don't think he will necessarilly become a notably great sire but I don't agree that he will be negatively impacting the breed as compared to many many of the sires that are out there at this time.

Look at the pics of his feet. He has more patch than foot. His feet are dreadful. His sire has bad feet too.

.......yeah, but this stuff has been going on so long not much you can do........kinda like the illegal alien situation in cali:rolleyes:

PETA is now on Victorino's case for liking Spam:
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big...urn=mlb,115113

I agree with most of this... there is a sire out there right now who stands for six figures who has almost 500 registered progeny, of which a grand total of NINE have started 30 or more times (which I'd consider a good 'durability' number)- less than 2%.

who?

Breeding is luck of the draw , you can breed a correct horse to a correct mare and get a crooked legged foal , you can breed a correct stallion to a crooked mare and get a perfect foal. To me its the heart that matters and Big Brown has shown that he has the heart to race on three man-made feet and race pretty well.

Research project, my boy.

Clue #1: His most famous offspring never won a race.

PETA has zero interest in breeding a sounder race horse, PETA's goal is stopping the "abuse" of all horses by totally eliminating man's use of them in any manner whatsover.

The Green Money's sire... Forestry?

How about you take that research and put it.....

My boy Linny already hooked it up...heck with you

Yup

:D

(linny's a chick by the way)

sheeeesh.....kids these days.....they have got so much to learn.... ya gotta teach em every little thing....

yeah like Danzig and Mr P

The only thing that PETA can bitch about in horse racing is when Cannon finally lets me get on a thoroughbred.....

To put it in perspective, you can get to Spectaculardynasty who has had about 15 starters, of which nearly all have won at some level, four of which have started more than 40 times, for the low low price of

FREE.

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with them, I just find it funny that people who have been saying the same basic thing about Big Brown are reacting so negatively to this.

Those people while probably not radicals dont know what they are talking about either. There is no soundness gene and genetics plays a very small role in the soundness of horses generally speaking.

I will turn myself in to the proper authorities

I really wonder if they have 2 million members and supporters. I think we need to question the 700 horses suffering catastrophic breakdowns.
(is that world wide including countries like Mexico and Uraguay)

I don't think IEAH will/ should castrate Big Brown. I just hope that people won't take their mares to him and people won't buy his bad feet progeny :rolleyes: