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alphanumeric1 10-13-2008 09:40 AM

Workout injury ends Big Brown Cup hopes, career..
 
Haskin/Johnson, B-H:
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...workout-injury


Dual classic winner Big Brown has been retired after sustaining an injury during a workout at Aqueduct the morning of Oct. 13.

The winner of the Kentucky Derby Presented by Yum! Brands (gr. I) and Preakness Stakes (gr. I) had worked in company with Kip Deville over the turf course, with the stablemates finishing together in final time of 1:12 4/5 for six furlongs.

Afterward, it was determined that the colt had grabbed a quarter on the inside of the right front foot. The injury and subsequent retirement means the highly anticipated showdown between he 3-year-old colt and reigning Horse of the Year Curlin will not take place in the Breeders’ Cup Classic (gr. I).

Kasept 10-13-2008 09:47 AM

And further news that he is being retired...

Hickory Hill Hoff 10-13-2008 09:48 AM

"The shot heard round the world"


Now, Curlin will race....what could have been.

RollerDoc 10-13-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
And now news that he is being retired per Blood-Horse...

I am absolutely sick over this news.

Rudeboyelvis 10-13-2008 10:02 AM

What miniscule interest I had in this year's BC has just evaporated

Betsy 10-13-2008 10:03 AM

WOW. I was no fan of his, but I would never wish this on any horse; I'm so sorry he won't get to run in the Breeder's Cup......he was a terrific colt. What a blow to his owners - it's like a punch in the gut. You get thisclose to the finish line, and wham - something like this happens. You gotta have terribly thick skin to be a racing fan..............

Bobby Fischer 10-13-2008 10:03 AM

it's a shame with all these foot problems,
they probably won't breed him now right?

Thunder Gulch 10-13-2008 10:05 AM

This blows. I wanted to see what he could do vs older horses.

RollerDoc 10-13-2008 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
it's a shame with all these foot problems,
they probably won't breed him now right?


It looks like he will breed:

"Big Brown has been retired," said Michael Iavarone, co-owner of IEAH Stables. "He not only tore the bulb off his foot, but half the foot was torn off. We did everything we could to get to the Breeders' Cup. It's devastating. And what makes it even worse is that he worked great."

Big Brown will enter stud at Robert Clay's Three Chimneys farm for the 2009 breeding season.

zippyneedsawin 10-13-2008 10:11 AM

Why does this always happen to the horses I plan to bet against!?!

RollerDoc 10-13-2008 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
Why does this always happen to the horses I plan to bet against!?!

Wow, that is a incredibly insensitive.

letswastemoney 10-13-2008 10:16 AM

So if Big Brown isn't there, does that mean Curlin might not run since it won't mean anything?

fpsoxfan 10-13-2008 10:18 AM

Tough news for the sport, but the Breeder's Cup will still be fun!

ateamstupid 10-13-2008 10:18 AM

LOL.

Bobby Fischer 10-13-2008 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
Why does this always happen to the horses I plan to bet against!?!

I agree here.
I think we can say that at this point knowing it isn't a life-threatening injury.
Brown may have been near even-money in the BC. It really stinks.
That's how it goes. Hopefully there are some turf imports in the race and near 14 runners.

Hopefully Brown has a happy retirement.:tro:

Antitrust32 10-13-2008 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
LOL.


for some reason I knew, once Curlin's crew decided to go to the BC.. that we wouldnt be seeing Big Brown there.

Sucks about the injury though, that horse has some REAL BAD feet.

MaTH716 10-13-2008 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
What miniscule interest I had in this year's BC has just evaporated

I think Elvis hit the nail on the head. It seemed that alot of people were on the fence whether they would play/watch the races, with all that surrounds the event (mainly Poly, Negative sentimate against the BC, etc.) This was the one matchup that might have swayed those people. Like him or not this is a big blow to the event.

Let the Casino Drive is a lock threads begin. :rolleyes:

slotdirt 10-13-2008 10:21 AM

Truly shocking news.

King Glorious 10-13-2008 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
for some reason I knew, once Curlin's crew decided to go to the BC.. that we wouldnt be seeing Big Brown there.

Sucks about the injury though, that horse has some REAL BAD feet.

I hear you. You don't want to say that they are lying but I think to deny that the thought enters into a lot of people's minds about the legitimacy of it is to not be honest.

The Bid 10-13-2008 10:25 AM

Better he tear his foot off now working, than get his head torn off by Curlin in 2 weeks.

Handicappy 10-13-2008 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
it's a shame with all these foot problems,
they probably won't breed him now right?

This had to be a joke. Of course he is going to the shed. Its the problem with the entire business. He has significant history of foot problems and he'll get 100K per live foal and they will be lining up for him. So there will be another 100 to 120 more horses trying to make it as 2 yr olds in 2011. The horse seems very sweet and will have a good life. That's all you can ask for a race horse.

Dutrow and Ivarone can finally dissolve their relationship after Kip wins the cup again. As for the classic this year, I am going to enjoy it. Casino Drive will be fit to go. And you never know what can happen. In 2006 all they spoke about was Lava Man and Bernadini. It'll be fun.

TheSpyder 10-13-2008 10:30 AM

Oy, this has been one soap opera, and the ones that have lived off the backs of this horse have now be silenced. Close the book, and toss it. The show is over. Thank god.

Hope BB heals and can go to doing only what I dream about...getting laid on a regular basis.

Spyder

VOL JACK 10-13-2008 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bid
Better he tear his foot off now working, than get his head torn off by Curlin in 2 weeks.

Im sure breeders will be lining up to breed to another unsound, fragile, overrated stallion with eggshells for feet.

freddymo 10-13-2008 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
And further news that he is being retired...

Run with the Angels Big Boy!!!

freddymo 10-13-2008 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Handicappy
This had to be a joke. Of course he is going to the shed. Its the problem with the entire business. He has significant history of foot problems and he'll get 100K per live foal and they will be lining up for him. So there will be another 100 to 120 more horses trying to make it as 2 yr olds in 2011. The horse seems very sweet and will have a good life. That's all you can ask for a race horse.

Dutrow and Ivarone can finally dissolve their relationship after Kip wins the cup again. As for the classic this year, I am going to enjoy it. Casino Drive will be fit to go. And you never know what can happen. In 2006 all they spoke about was Lava Man and Bernadini. It'll be fun.

You think he will be 100k and the line will be down the highway to get to a Boundary that was a better grass horse and never ran a particularly fast race in his life against suspect competition?

A couple of thoughts 100k is way off especially in this economy I suggest 60k Advertised and 40k in real life with a decent mare.

Scav 10-13-2008 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
You think he will be 100k and the line will be down the highway to get to a Boundary that was a better grass horse and never ran a particularly fast race in his life against suspect competition?

A couple of thoughts 100k is way off especially in this economy I suggest 60k Advertised and 40k in real life with a decent mare.

I would maybe recatergorize that, he ran some huge races and I think his connections make people think differently.

Hate the connections, not the horse

VOL JACK 10-13-2008 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
Oy, this has been one soap opera, and the ones that have lived off the backs of this horse have now be silenced. Close the book, and toss it. The show is over. Thank god.

Hope BB heals and can go to doing only what I dream about...getting laid on a regular basis.

Spyder

You must be married also.

King Glorious 10-13-2008 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I would maybe recatergorize that, he ran some huge races and I think his connections make people think differently.

Hate the connections, not the horse

He may have won some big name races and his Derby effort was a really good one but he never ran higher than a 109 Beyer. I think there is a difference between a huge effort and a fast race and I don't think Big Brown ever ran a really fast race. We used to get horses to routinely run higher than 109 Beyers. Horses like GZ, Skip Away, and Formal Gold were running in the 120's. Candy Ride went over 120. Medaglia was regularly over 115. Pleasantly Perfect. Smarty Jones. Afleet Alex. I mean, the list goes on and on of horses that were faster than him.

freddymo 10-13-2008 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
I would maybe recatergorize that, he ran some huge races and I think his connections make people think differently.

Hate the connections, not the horse

I bet the horse in the Derby didn't think he could lose. To me his derby win is a very good race but way slower then most Derby's and with the lamest crap competition ever. Let's face it Big Brown could have been a real nice turf horse. He had a fair amount of talent which allowed him to overcome a lot of sheat competition and dirt. I think he was born in the right year and would have been just a competitor last year in his division.

Scav 10-13-2008 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I bet the horse in the Derby didn't think he could lose. To me his derby win is a very good race but way slower then most Derby's and with the lamest crap competition ever. Let's face it Big Brown could have been a real nice turf horse. He had a fair amount of talent which allowed him to overcome a lot of sheat competition and dirt. I think he was born in the right year and would have been just a competitor last year in his division.

Competitor as in always hitting the board or winning a couple here and there?

I am not going to argue competition because I am not very good at it, but what I will say is that yearly times of the Derby is very hard to compare, the track is not the same year to year, and times indoubtly vary. And especially this year, where there was some moisture in the track because of all the rain they received the week before.

10 pnt move up 10-13-2008 10:59 AM

That dang pro ride crap.........he never should have been working on it.

Scav 10-13-2008 10:59 AM

As a side note to this, I would love to see a picture of his foot to confirm. The 'conspricy theorist'(?) in me thinks that Jackson called his bluff and now doesn't want to run against Curlin

Note the announcement on the same day as Curlin's scheduled mid-race workout....

geeker2 10-13-2008 11:00 AM

Now he can take his rightful place in Cooperstown :D

Kasept 10-13-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
for some reason I knew, once Curlin's crew decided to go to the BC.. that we wouldnt be seeing Big Brown there.

To be honest Lori, this is ridiculous.

First, Team Curlin has not decided to run in the Classic.. And according to Brad Free and other California sources, are leaning against running. The workout today will tell a lot.

Second, it was Big Brown's plan to run in the Classic since August. Why should he and his connections be insulted when they were always going to the Cup?

freddymo 10-13-2008 11:00 AM

Hard Spun , Curlin , Street Sense, or in previous years Showing Up, (especially on turf) Barbaro would have given Big Brown plenty to run at. I kind of doubt he would have been within 4 lengths of Barbaro or Smarty or the 3 last year and NOBODY is really paying 100k to breed to a Boundary/Dutrow

Bobby Fischer 10-13-2008 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Handicappy
This had to be a joke. Of course he is going to the shed.

;)

Kasept 10-13-2008 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
As a side note to this, I would love to see a picture of his foot to confirm. The 'conspricy theorist'(?) in me thinks that Jackson called his bluff and now doesn't want to run against Curlin

Note the announcement on the same day as Curlin's scheduled mid-race workout....

Unbelievable.

freddymo 10-13-2008 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
To be honest Lori, this is ridiculous.

First, Team Curlin has not decided to run in the Classic.. And according to Brad Free and other California sources, are leaning against running. The workout today will tell a lot.

Second, it was Big Brown's plan to run in the Classic since August. Why should he and his connections be insulted when they were always going to the Cup?

His connections insult humanity

smuthg 10-13-2008 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Hate the connections, not the horse

Well said... Like him or not, this is not a good day for the sport. I realize that I'm probably naive to think that horse racing can once again be relevant in the sports world, but I do think that Curlin v. Big Brown would have at least caused the casual sports fan to flip over to ESPN to watch the Classic.

Kasept 10-13-2008 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freddymo
His connections insult humanity

Not germane in this discussion.


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