Suave
 

has a beyer or sheet number come out for his race on SAT
sometimes I try to make my own figs and I keep coming up with
a super high fig for this horse, maybe he's a long-shot play in the BCC

No idea yet, by the way I tried your phone twice today, and got the answering machine. Heading to the track soon, talk to you after the races.

I haven't seen the Beyer but I'm projecting about a 108. Whatever the number is, it should be pointed out that AP rarely cards races at 1 3/16 miles so if you see a 114 or a 102, I'd be very leery of it.

Boldruler was talking about the time not being legit either, so I am guessing they are going to look at it because the mile was 131 or something.....

Worst thing that happened was when the Gabriels left Arlington, the place has fallen apart. On track commentary is horrendous and the racing secretary is just ridiculous. He has been carding some off the wall type distances for Arlington, ones I have never seen before. I have never seen a 7f race at Arlington, until this year....Also, he has been carding some weird turf distance also

Yeah the mile time was 131 and change which can't be right. Arlington has its problems but they put on one of the best cards in all of racing next weekend.

Bold, your out of control. it is a top 15 card on the year, only because of the three turf races. The first 6 races are mostly garbage, better then most weekends at Arlington.

As far as talented horses, Million Day is Arlington's highest, but as far as wagering opportunities, Illinois Day is by far the best card to play at Arlington.

This year the two out of the three seem pretty easy. Showing Up in the Secretariat (I am praying for a huge field here to help with odds), and Gorella in the Beverly D (she will absolutely LOVE the configuration at Arlington). Not really sure what is going on with the Million as there is no Powerscourt this year

It is a top 15 card because there are 3 grade 1's on the same card. How often does that happen? I am not sure it even happens at Saratoga. There are also three minor stakes on the card. That is pretty good, especially if you like turf racing like I do.

If O'Brien brings Ivan over, Showing up might be in trouble, Ivan was a late supplement and ANYTHING O'Brien brings over to Arlington is live

I have never seen SO MANY nominations for all three Arlington races, at least in the last 5 years....Two years ago 10 horses nominated to the Secretariat, this year, their is like 120

those minor stakes races are glorified allowance races

HOW CAN YOU ARGUE WITH SOMEONE THAT LIVES 3 miles from the track and knows EVERYTHING about Arlington racing? seriously

If they run these races back to back like the condition back states (for Arlington, that is pretty close to how they will run the card) i am going to be happier then a 13 year old that just found out to jerk it

Showing Up isn't losing to anyone. Not the way he is right now. Go Between has an outside shot simply because he is improving, but Ivan Denisovich is not beating anyone at 10F. Showing Up likes the heat too (unlike his stablemate), a lot of the Europeans don't.

You still have to tell me where three grade/group 1's are contested at on the same day. It doesn't happen very often.

114 a little high and 102 a little low. I think your 108 is about right. A VERY strong race indeed. I would be good w/ a 110. I would bet him in BCC if he runs. I sure he couldn't handle Bernardini, but he's just getting better, so who knows?

Mike would be better qualified to answer this. But if I had to guess at a couple it would

1) Breeders Cup Day
2) Somewhere on the Keeneland meet
3) Derby Day (maybe only 2 but could have 3 if they wanted)
4) Belmont Day (again, same situation as above)
5) Florida Derby Day
6) California has to have a couple also

You have to realize also that Arlington has ONE DAY a year, where the other tracks space out their Grade 1's to get a constant flow of customers.

If Arlington were to run those races on different days, it wouldn't have the same effect as it does

I would take a meet like Gulfstream, Keeneland, or Saratoga has over Arlington's 1 day anytime, anywhere, any place

I would be cautious of Ivan, he is a monster.

That being said, I have said all along that Showing up with a single, probably my single of the year, but he might become my single of month if Ivan comes

Belmont Fall Championships Day:

Usually get some form of the:

Beldame
JCGC
Champagne
Frizette

I didn't say Arlington was a good meet, just that million day is one of the top days all year in racing. Three grade 1's in the span of a few hours is unbelievable.

Showing Up has no need to fear any other 3 yr old. The older horses are a problem but Obrien's 3yr old is not. Showing Up seems to even like a soft turf in the morning so fast/yielding, whatever, it doesn't matter. I do wonder how he will fare going 12F against older horses at Belmont, but not 10F against 3yr olds at Arlington.

Actually, it's:
Beldame (G1)
Flower Bowl (G1)
Joe Hirsch (G1)
Jockey Club (G1)
Vosburgh (G1)


Now that's a card!! It's Oc. 7th this year.

Wow! Now that's a day at the races!

Thanks for the update, I am going to circle it on the Calendar now...

That is BC Preview day. It is arguably the 2nd best day of racing every year. The Arlington Day is still a top 15 day.

Maybe that monster should win a race. He has been destroyed in his last two. His last one he finished 8th at Chantilly, with no excuse, against an ok field of horses. His previous race he finished third at Ascot, but the horse that beat him is a monster. These are milers though.

Ivan will love 10 panels. Danehill out of a Kris S mare, matter of fact, he is asking for 20 panels

So his breeding means more than his race record. Interesting. You might want to learn something about the horse before calling him a monster. You call him a monster here and then in the international section you want to know if he has raced this year. Well he has, and he has done nothing. 8th in his last. He might be asking for 20 panels, just not a fast 20 panels, because he is not fast.

Dude, you got a pole up your ass regarding Showing Up. I think he is a monster. BUT O'Brien is not a moron, and wouldn't waste shipping this horse all the way to Chicago for no friggin reason, regardless of how he ran recently

You remember Powerscourt, last year he had a dismissal 4th or 5th going into the Million and at one point, WASN'T even going to come to Arlington, then he shows up and wins for fun.

Quite honestly, I am sick of your badgering of people and the nonsense that you sometimes create....You are pretty intelligent, but a jerkoff to boot.

You are the one calling Ivan a Monster and then asking if he has raced yet this year. Well he has. He finished 8th of 11, 3rd of 11, 7th of 11, and 8th of 11 in a 27K race. He is not a monster. Not close. As for Showing Up, I like him, but he could lose to Go Between and he is unlikely to beat the older horses, but he is getting better everyday, so anything can happen.

Ivan Denisovich this year

RACE VIDEO DATE RACE CONDITIONS WGT RACE OUTCOME JOCKEY OR TS RPR


— — 09Jul06 Cha 8GS 3yG1,157K 9-2 8/11 5L, Stormy River[4/1] 9-2 K Fallon — 105 106
— — 20Jun06 Asc 8GF Cl1 3yG1,141K 9-0 3/11 3¾L, Araafa[13/2] 9-0 K Fallon — 111 112
— — 14May06 Lon 8GS 3yG1,157K 9-2 7/11 4½L, Aussie Rules[9/1] 9-2 O Peslier — 93 107
— — 23Apr06 Lon 8Gd 3yG3,27K 9-2 8/10 7¾L, Stormy River[5/1] 9-2 C O'Donoghue — 74 96

Ok, then why does O'Brien waste time/money/shipping? If he comes, the horse is live, and will probably be long for what you are posting above

and if I remember Ivan's sheet from BC last year, his numbers are competitive here, I don't know what his numbers were for those last four, but as i have said, O'Brien wouldn't be doing this, if the horse wasn't live

He is doing it because he has no respect for the 3yr old turf horses in america and he shouldn't. There are only 3 good ones, and one of them is too green, and is running in the Hall of Fame. With the exception of Showing Up and Go Between, there is nothing else. Look at this garbage, only 2 or 3 of them even have a chance at the BC Turf or Mile. Even a horse like Brilliant can't run 10F.

http://www.arlingtonpark.com/racing_...ominations.pdf

If he is bringing over others for the other 2 races he might as well put Ivan in here, because clearly he can't beat anything good over there.

Brilliant is a miler. Dont think Howard will run him in this spot. If he continiues to improve he might be pointed to the BC Mile, but that's a big IF.

Ivan Denisovich sucks....plain and simple


But he might trounce our 3-year-old weedclippers

they come over here, receive their Lasix and a lot of them feel so good about it they jump up.

as for Suave, he's right in the thick of things in the handicap div. for sure.

I wouldn't exactly call Showing Up or Go Between weedclippers. Both are very good horses. Ivan is not.

I just meant grass runners.....wasn't insulting either horse.


While Ivan has been miserable over in Europe, he might come over here and lay it on our horses like I said previously.

There is a difference in the Euros more often than not when they come over here, and I think that difference is that we don't have very good turf runners.

The Euros don't just automatically get good when they cross the big pond.

They have some really nice horses by Ivan just isn't one of them. I see why O'Brien would take a chance against the weak 3yr old grass horses, and I figure he is coming over for something else anyway, but Showing Up and Go Between can run, especially at 10F. Ivan has been a huge disappointment this year.

Ivan is asking to stop running against those good horses.

****, he is coming over for the Million.

I dont like Ace. I don't like any of the Europeans coming over. I think the usual suspects from the UN race will fight it out again.

I don't really like Ace either, but he can run with ours.....

turfers from overseas sometimes find new life here because they probably want hard ground, which is difficult to find in europe. look at when the bc is in cali for instance, euros are hard pressed to come, the track's too hard for their liking and style.

and yeah, they crack me up about lasix....euros thumb their noses at us and accuse us of doping our horses too much, first thing off the plane, they're calling the vet!