Denis of Cork
 

He is at Fares Farm in Lexington. He lost a bunch of weight after his spring classics campaign and is still recouping.

He'll be back next year for more undeserved praise and admiration.

and fortunately the next snide post from the coach won't take nearly as long.

Are the questions somehow less cogent if offered in regular type? Not that this particular one could have been " less cogent. "

I heard they were pointing him toward the 2010 BCC.
What do you guys think a Commentator-DoC exacta will pay in that race?
My guess is $27.80.

but with casino drive in '10, making his seventh start, i think commentator would get a run for his money...

This is just plain silly on two fronts. First of all, the BC next year will be Casino Drive's fourth career start. Second, because of his breeding, he's a lock for the Dirt Marathon. Why would they go for back to back Classic wins? Yes, I'm already counting this year as a win.

:D

If he ran to his breeding (Mineshaft), he wouldn't even show up at Santa Anita.

33.40

In the words of Jess Jackson, "Been there, done that"

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I'm not even sure that we can say "he's better than smooth air"

borel sure did some nice work with this guy though. He put a couple nice works into DoC pre-derby, then he gave him a "Street Sense Jr." ride in the derby. You had to be tremendously thrilled with borel after that high quality job he did. One of the best jobs of building form on a horse that a jockey probably did for a stakes horse in 2008. Not sure why his management rewarded Borel with losing the mount?:confused:

come to think of it DoC has had kind of haphazard management whether it was his owner or the trainer...

He could still turn out to be one of those colts who improves when he gets a little stronger or gets a move-up trainer and becomes a legit grade 2 older horse.

David Carroll told me that he was furious at the management by the owner's "Racing Manager" who is a stone cold sheets guy. Carroll is a good horseman was liked where his horse was going to the Ark Derby when the owner/racing manager duo decided to call an audible and go to the Ill Derby. First it damn near cost him a berth in the race and is changed the schedule that Carroll had planned.
He may not be an all time great but Denis was a pretty nice 3yo this spring. Clearly this is not a stellar bunch, but other than that dopey jaunt to ILL, I don't think he's missed the board and he's only run with the best available horses, within the division. He's been out since the Belmont so it's unfair to bash him when so few in this crop have actly looked like monsters. The arguable leader of the bunch was live and death to beat Proudinsky last month and his works get slower as he gets to his goal.
DoC was hurt after the Belmont and has been laid up since. They are planning to bring him back at 4.

who is the arguable other choice?

Denis is. Can't you read.

Casino Drive is. Can't you read.

foolish

GIANT MOON

While it's pretty obvious that there is a strong debate over who is that arguable best horse along with Big Brown and the candidates (Denis of Cork, Casino Drive, and Giant Moon) are all worthy.......getting a little serious, it's kind of a shame that Colonel John is being overlooked. If he were able to win the Classic, it would give him a strong hand for the award. In many other years, a horse that would have wins in the SA Derby, Travers, and BC Classic would get serious consideration. It's just too bad for him that the BC and SA Derby are both on synthetics and also that both are in California. He would be 1-1 with Big Brown and although he would trail him 4-3 in grade ones, and 2-0 in classic wins, the Travers is often considered a fourth classic race and the BC would be over a world-class field of older horses. Just a thought.

Obviously BB is the current leader but the Classic is being run on Colonel John's home tarck and over the type of surface over which he made his pre-Derby reputation. He's trained will since the Travers and though I hate the pattern of Travers-BCC, he has a decent chance to win and if he does the argument could be made that KY Derby notwithstanding, he's better or at least as good.

i absolutely disagree. this track surface is not the equalizer some claim it is. whatever everyone may think of big brown, he has been a picture of consistency compared to his opponents throughout his career. should big brown lose, imo there is no way you can suddenly elevate the winner, especially if it's an AWT specialist.

I find it hard to believe that the winner of the FL derby, KY Derby, Preakness, and Haskell while dominating three of those and throwing in a turf win over older runners isnt a lock regardless of what happens at SA. Maybe if Col John were to dominate iat SA and follow up with a win in the Clark but really what is the chance of that happening?

colonel john really hasn't shown me anything special.

clearly, he was the leader of the west coast 3yo since very early and maintained that lead.
Then he added some legitimacy by winning the Travers on dirt, in a contest that was about a grade 3 older horse level.

He doesn't have the talent to win the Breeders Cup even with it being on a synthetic surface and the possibility of a few of the better horses not liking the synthetic.

I think you should reward a "solid" allowance/grade3 type in some way when they show a long career, but I would rather see talent be rewarded in hoy type honors.

I'd think that the Florida Derby and SA Derby would cancel each other out. The Travers and Haskell could cancel each other out. For me, considering what he'd have to beat in the BC Classic against what Big Brown faced in the TC races, Colonel John will have had to do more. I can't even remember who hit the board in the Derby and especially not in the Preakness. I think that if you take the names off of the races and just look at who they would have had to compete against to win the races they have, Colonel John with a win in the BC Classic would have a better resume than Big Brown. I'm not saying this would prove he's better but his accomplishments would be more impressive for me.