Stroking Bernardini
 

Is there anyone else on here who hasn't completely lost their mind over this horse?

He has looked really good in his last two races, but they are just that...two races. One of which the favorite broke down.

(his allowance and Withers were races similar to how strong contender and showing up and other "best ever types" ran, so I'm not counting them)

I agree that he is good, but I am seeing posts saying things like "best horse in a long time" just like we see every year when some colt wins a triple crown race.

Where is all of the ****-talking about Jazil or Discreet Cat? Or maybe even Showing Up?

I'll tell you where it is. Sitting in wait until one of those runs again...

The minute some other three year old wins a diluted race by open lengths, we will hear more of the "second coming of Secretariat" BS.

Honestly, am I the only one who wasn't that impressed? He was kind of supposed to beat those types of horses like that.

He reminds me of Scrappy T last year (Withers, Preakness), except Afleet Alex finished the Preakness and Barbaro didn't.

Okay so lets not declare him the second coming of Secretariat just yet, but cmmon Mood...hes a lot better than Scrappy T. He was before yesterday's demolishing. Scrappy T was a nice little useful horse but Bernardini is completely in another league.

Scrappy T, LOL! LOL!

Bernardini has been great.

It's ALL relative. That's why we will always debate.

I guess you just don't see the brilliance in him that everybody else does....it'll come to you eventually, that I'm sure of...

I thought he was breath-taking after his maiden and Withers victories and even stated that he may be the best 3YO in the country after the Withers on the radio and I was glad that I knew of his brillaince that early because it allowed me to hit big in the Preakness when he was 12-1 and I crushed the TRI and SUPER, etc. and made about $8,300 after taxes....

More people began to realize his brilliance after his Preakness win, and now even more people are realizing his brillaince after his Jim Dandy jog........

So your not on board yet...no big deal...you'll come around eventually...just might take you watching him crush a few more fields before you bite - and that is cool and that is your perogative....

I knew he was a monster with endless upside after his maiden and Withers wins, and I knew he was the best 3YO this year and probably best horse period on the dirt with the upside to be great after his Preakness run-away in just his first two-turn effort and just his 4th lifetime start...

Now, I am realizing that he really is great after watching him urinate on that group Saturday....BTW, he recieved a 114 Beyer speed figure for that public workout...114!!!!!!!!! - and that is gagged to the wire by Javier.....WOW!

Can anyone say SCARY GOOD!!!

I love Lael's Showing Up but there is not going to be any talking about him like Bernardini. Bernardini is a man among boys.

If you are comparing him to Scrappy T, well I think you have lost your mind.

You don't run back to back beyers over 110, one in a public work, unless you are an incredible animal. Not to mention as an AP Indy, we probably haven't seen his best yet.

I stole this from another site but this is the look of a great one

http://www.horsephotos.com/covers/cover1543.jpg

Mood, come on man, you have some serious **** against this horse and I cant figure out why. If he hasnt impressed you, there cant be many horses in the world that have...

Invasor, the other Darley, might give him a run. Can't see anyone else.

I tell you what, if his campaign stays to script as you are so sure it will.

I will come on here and "realize his brilliance."

This is what you wrote

"Barbaro was hands down probably the best turf 3YO in the world this year and maybe the best turf horse in the world period, but I am very comfortable saying that he wanted no part of Bernardini on the dirt.

Preakness (check in a runaway)

Jim Dandy (check in a public workout)

Travers

Jockey Club Gold Cup

BC Classic

Horse of the Year

.....4 more checks to go....."

If he "checks" off 3 out of 4 of those things, I will kiss my own ass...repeatedly.

No. I certainly haven't "lost my mind" over this horse either, although I agree that some other on this board certainly have. Listen I think he is a good horse. Actually he is a VERY GOOD horse. But in my opinion he is not the best 3yo this year....at least not yet. To me the things Barbaro accomplished are more impressive. IF Bernardini wins the Travers, the JCGC, and the BCC, then all the people who say that he is the greatest thing in years and that they should just hand him HOY will have a little more credibility. But that is a big if.

You better get those lips warmed up. I hate Darley horses but even I can see he is a really special animal. 3 out of 4 is what you want, don't be surprised if 4 out of 4 comes through. He is just better than everyone out there. A lot better.

I love Darley horses, I just don't think he is the bees knees.

My lips will be warmed up for sure though, if he does what Joel says he will.

My prediction is that he will be pressured by other horses during races in the future and wilt.

But I do realize I can be wrong, and if so. All the credit to Mr. "realize brilliance"

Hes very talented. He also beat whats left of a demolished three year old crop that has had more injuries than any I can ever think of. Whats left ain't a whole lot. he should air in the Travers but after that hes gonna get a reality check. The older horses are very good this year. And they aren't gonna let him cruise to an easy lead. Apparently running away from hemingway's key gets you into the Hall of Fame. I think not.

ditto.........

I agree that he beat nobody on Saturday, but the way he did it was extremely impressive. He won under an absolute strangle-hold. He won by about 9 lengths and he could have won by well over 15 lengths. He looks like a really special horse. He's obviously the best 3 year old by far right now. I agree with Oracle that he should have no problem winning the Travers easily. With regard to the older horses, I'm not sure that there is anyone who can beat him. If Flower Alley is as good as he was last year, he may be able to give Bernardidni a battle. If Lava Man can take his form out of California, he may have a shot. Aside from those two, I don't any of the others are as good as Bernardini.

Probably so

Your revelling in the tainted Preakness win is imo in poor taste considering the race was marred.

Welcome aboard the Bernardini bandwagon, my good friends!

I've been driving it since March 7 ...

... nice to finally have you all in the club.

u r the greatest...

Watch this and you will see the best horse in the World right now:

http://play.www.atr.servecast.net/pp..._07_29_05_1620

Aw ... c'mon ... admit it ...

... you read my Bernardini post on the other forum on March 7.

But ... you are to be congratulated for recognizing my prescience ... and jumping on board the bandwagon early ... even though I noticed that you didn't pay the fare.

So you are telling me that you don't think Scrappy T would have won the Preakness by open lengths if Afleet Alex would have broken down 200 yards in?

After reading all of these posts about Bernardini today, I guess I would like him to beat every living horse on the planet "backwards while towing the starting gate" (I'm paraphrasing from another post)

Let's go back and remember Bellamy Road from last year.

Remember after his allowance win and Wood Memorial how people were talking?

This is the same type situation.

Bellamy Road beat the hell out of very suspect competition in those two races, and all of a sudden he was a GD world beater.

While Flower Alley just scrapped up to win the piss poor Lanes End at Turfway, and then he wins the Jim Dandy/Travers and gets second in the BCC to Saint Liam.

I haven't heard anyone say that Flower Alley is the second coming of Christ, where are those posts?

I mean, he beat Bellamy Road in the Travers. Who was the best horse since god damned Eclipse himself.

how about this one

http://www.jra.go.jp/vi/doc/vg_g1bn/...nglish_dsl.asx

His races were nowhere near as tough as Barabro's KD and Florida Derby. They were nowhere near as tough as the 2 examples by Hurricane Run and the world's best bred horse, Deep Impact.


Please, Bernardini needs to pass real tests.

unlike yourself, it appears, many of us have a grasp of the quality and depth of a race. therefore Bernardini needs to face a higher class and fitter competition than he has thus far.

we'll just have to see who runs in the Travers in order to determine the quality of the field. i mean, people are pounding their chests that Bernardini is the greatest since sliced bread and he beaten nothing but weak, or tired fields. let's just see how his campaign plays out before we say he's better than Bobby which he is clearly NOT at this point.

Shoot, I'm not hating on him at all. That little horse has done what he is supposed to like clockwork and I believe he is a really good 3 year old, the best we have right now.

What I was alluding to is the exclamations of greatness that are automatically thrown on this little guy's shoulders.

How can he possibly live up to people already crowning him as the likely winner of the JCGC, Travers, BCC, and HOTY?

Wouldn't you veer towards caution when dealing with the talent of three year old colts without much battle experience?

It is unfair to the horse to make him out to be some amazing talent that just sprouted up out of the ground just because he won two races over suspect competition.

When a horse wins like he did on Saturday, that doesn't tell me they are great. It tells me that there wasn't anything there to test him, and I'll give him credit for doing what he was supposed to do. If it happens that there isn't anything to test him for the rest of his career, then so be it. And if he does that number on the rest of the fields he faces, then he might just be great. But let us see what happens.

Let me ask you this, are you quick to give the label of greatness to a horse like Suave with his run in the Washington Park HCP on Saturday. He basically did the same thing to that field and broke the record to boot. Beating a multi-millionare and multiple Grade 1 winner in the process.

Is Suave great, and going to go the rest of the season undefeated and win HOTY off of his waltz around Arlington Park?

Of course Bellamy Road is a nice horse. I never said he wasn't

What he is not is a Triple Crown winner, which is what seemed to be expected of him after last years romp in the Wood.

Just like you expect Bernardini to "beat whoever he runs agains for fun continually."

What happens when he doesn't do this, do you then just determine that he is a "nice horse" instead of "a very special colt?"

Hmmm...you're driving? Thanks, but I think I'll walk.

I don't have a whole lot to say here except that Bernardini beat horses he should have in this race, and his Preakness effort was obviously marred by the Barbaro incident. That's not even to mention the fact that Sweetnorthernsaint was probably as sore as can be coming into the Preakness. Anybody seen ol' Sweetnorthern lately? Eh?

I agree with Oracle's assessment that the big boys are probably going to take care of Bernardini with ease.

Flower Alley is looking and doing incredible right now.

Playing a bad football team will make a good team look great, and a great team unbeatable.
Running against whats left of this crop will certainly make a very good horse look unbeatable.
However any field in which hemingway's key is beaten a nose bob for the place cannot be taken seriously.
He should romp in the Travers, then he has to face Flower Alley and Invasor type stuff, good luck. Extended pace pressure and horses who will not submit to one move, the kind that will counterpunch and say you will have to run extended lights out to beat me to the wire. The kind that are battle hardened and seasoned. I'm not exactly sold that he can beat those kind of horses.

Isnt this the same kind of field we should be expecting in the Travers, save for Strong Contender and Bluegrass Cat, who arent exactly world beaters?

You think the finish will be that much more exciting in the Travers?

based on BGC's finish in the derby, you'd have to expect he'd be a better test of bernardini than what he met saturday. strong contender on the other hand...maybe not so much.

Tim I already conceded him the Travers, I don't think those two are much either.

Danzig- Maybe so but deep down I dont think Bluegrass Cat will threaten Bernardini in the least way. He'll cruise again, unless Strong Contender is as good as some people proclaimed him to be about 3 months ago.