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RollerDoc 09-27-2008 12:49 PM

RollerDoc's Bank
 
Memo to Hank Goldberg:

Follow my advice today and you might win some money for once.

Race #8
Post 3 Lucky Island ($10 across the Board) investment $30

Race #9
Post 4 Proudinsky ($10 Win) investment $10

Race #10
Post 2 Merchant Marine ($10 across the Board) Investment $30
Post 4 Wanderin Boy ($4 across the Board) Investment $12
Post 8 Stones River ($2 across the Board) Investment $6

RollerDoc's Bank $88.00 Outcome __________

RollerDoc 09-27-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc

RollerDoc's Bank $88.00 Outcome __________


Lost $43.70

It's still less than Hank Goldberg's ever lost :)

Lucky Island in Race #8 sunk me. Good comeback in the Place and Show in Race #10. Curlin was tough today, but all odds point to Big Brown at BCC as these two horses battle for HOY GREATNESS.

RollerDoc 09-27-2008 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
May I make a suggestion? Betting horses across the board is a recipe for disaster anyway, but betting 2-1 shots across the board is just wasting your time. Instead of betting across the board, mix it up with some exactas.

Good advice. I stopped by the OTB in time to watch race 8. Bad management on my part. I didn't even realize Lucky Island was a 2-1 favorite. I was focused more on race 10. In 9 I bet Proudinsky just because he gave Big Brown a good race at Monmouth.

It was not good betting strategy at all. Some in attendance at the OTB were heckling me for betting LI across the Board. They were calling me junior :)

The only thing worse than Lucky Island today was the lousy nachos I got at the OTB.

Danzig 09-27-2008 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
May I make a suggestion? Betting horses across the board is a recipe for disaster anyway, but betting 2-1 shots across the board is just wasting your time. Instead of betting across the board, mix it up with some exactas.

actually, i had a lot of payoffs at arl playing horses across the board-along with some exactas.
of course, none of them were 2-1 tho.....

RollerDoc 09-27-2008 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Well, whatever works for you. I just go by what most of the pro's say and it's not place and show betting.

But in the case of the Place and Show horses in Curlin's race today it worked to my advantage. In a race that many said there is no money to win, the other two made it decent. If Mambo comes in second then there is nothing.

Today is the second time I learned about betting the hard way. At the Monmouth I keyed Big Brown on top of every possible trifecta. After he won, I was so excited to see my payout. I would have never dreamed that I could win a trifecta and lose money.

Oh well I learn more and more each race that interests me.

hrfan 09-27-2008 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Well, whatever works for you. I just go by what most of the pro's say and it's not place and show betting.

totally agree with the place betting, but there is nothing wrong with a solid 25 win/place bet, if you bet something in the 3-1 and up range, and get beat even by the chalk, your still likely to make your money back, plus a bit

hrfan 09-27-2008 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You've admitted to being a terrible bettor. Just stop.

nothing wrong with place betting ! it bailed me out today on the 10 in the first at belmont

letswastemoney 09-27-2008 11:40 PM

In the long run, it's better to key the horse you like on top of an exacta with some longer priced horses underneath, rather than do a win/place bet.

RollerDoc 09-27-2008 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
How did it work to your advantage? You bet $48 on the race and got back $43.50? What am I missing?

My net loss was only $4.50. I guess my point was that is not a horrible result if you are willing to take a chance at betting against a huge favorite. Had I bet those same three horses to Win only as opposed to across the board, then that would have been a over 10 times the loss.

RollerDoc 09-27-2008 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You seem to be confusing things and I'm not patient enough to go through it all. Do what you want.

In the end I lost money. Not good. I realize that. Trust me, I learned today I will not bet across the board going forward unless I have some FU money to throw at capable longshots from time to time.

Who is this hrfan guy?

hrfan 09-27-2008 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
In the long run, it's better to key the horse you like on top of an exacta with some longer priced horses underneath, rather than do a win/place bet.

thats also wrong, what happens when the horse you like wins at 3 or 4-1 and you dont catch anything underneath ? ? please tell me what happens

RollerDoc 09-27-2008 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You seem to be confusing things and I'm not patient enough to go through it all. Do what you want.

PS...Don't you find it a little funny that I am sending Hank Goldberg memos on how to win money when I am betting across the board on 2-1 horses :)

hrfan 09-27-2008 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
PS...Don't you find it a little funny that I am sending Hank Goldberg memos on how to win money when I am betting across the board on 2-1 horses :)

make your own opinions, you made all these wps bets today, now you would just stop because someone said so ? i agree with hoss on the show, but there is nothing wrong with win/place

dalakhani 09-27-2008 11:55 PM

I am far from an expert in wagering strategy. I agree that across the board wagering consistently is a good way to lose money.

However, most races present opportunities of some kind. Labeling any type of wager as "good" or "bad" without taking it into context with a particular race(s) is narrow in my opinion. The pick 4 isnt always a good bet and a bridgejumping show wager isnt always a bad one.

RollerDoc 09-27-2008 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
The village idiot and a compulsive liar. I'm an azzhole. But, I'm sure you figured that out by now.

Not at all. I like you. You are one of the few who haven't beaten me up too bad over my Big Brown crusade these past few months.

RollerDoc 09-27-2008 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hrfan
make your own opinions, you made all these wps bets today, now you would just stop because someone said so ? i agree with hoss on the show, but there is nothing wrong with win/place


Well the fact of the matter is I am up close to $1000.00 this year, and most of it was on Big Brown. Most of it was also when he won the Fla Derby and KY Derby when I got some decent odds. I still bet him in every race despite his heavily favorite odds.

Recently, I strayed from the script with this across the board stuff and have not been nearly as successful. So the advice of Hoss is very sensible to me.

hrfan 09-28-2008 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Well the fact of the matter is I am up close to $1000.00 this year, and most of it was on Big Brown. Most of it was also when he won the Fla Derby and KY Derby when I got some decent odds. I still bet him in every race despite his heavily favorite odds.

Recently, I strayed from the script with this across the board stuff and have not been nearly as successful. So the advice of Hoss is very sensible to me.

show is a waste.....
have i not been saying that ?

example, i bet the 10 win place today in the first at belmont..... now if i bet him just to win or put him on top of other horses like other ppl say, i would have lost everything, instead, i made a few bucks on the bet.

blackthroatedwind 09-28-2008 12:08 AM

Lucky Island was the ultimate sucker litmus test.

hrfan 09-28-2008 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I wonder how you function in everyday life sometimes. You bet to win and then bet exactas with your horse on top and/or with your horse underneath.

LOL

blackthroatedwind 09-28-2008 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Yeah, well PG just pm'd me and he thinks anyone that listens to you is crazy and you are one of the worst public handicappers alive. He won't say it to you, and i know how broken up you are going to be, but I had to get it off my chest.

Now that's something to LOL at.


I'm crushed. I don't know how I will go on.

More importantly.....who taught him how to PM?

blackthroatedwind 09-28-2008 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
It's okay. I know it's going to be a long couple of days after hearing it, but it'll all pass.

I'm not sure who taught him, but unfortunately I get them. Not anymore now after this, but I did. Funny, he always seems to hit a lot when he doesn't post his plays. Pretty ironic. The best was the other day he told me he was at OTB and had $200 left. So he tells me about the bets he made and how big he won. The only problem was the bets he made were more than $200. I think he was lying. I was shocked.


Impossible.

westcoastinvader 09-28-2008 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I wonder how you function in everyday life sometimes. You bet to win and then bet exactas with your horse on top and/or with your horse underneath.


What if it's a case that you clearly see a horse that you believe strongly will finish 1st or 2nd.......but you're having a tough time picking a couple of the other let's say 9 or 10 horses to put with it?

The exactas as a substitute for the place are a great strategy if you feel moderately strong about any other horse in the race.

I think if you only see one....and the pools are appropriate.......throw the win/place action out there and keep it simple.

I hate to include any horse in my wager I do not feel very strongly will be where my $$ is.

Danzig 09-28-2008 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
I am far from an expert in wagering strategy. I agree that across the board wagering consistently is a good way to lose money.

However, most races present opportunities of some kind. Labeling any type of wager as "good" or "bad" without taking it into context with a particular race(s) is narrow in my opinion. The pick 4 isnt always a good bet and a bridgejumping show wager isnt always a bad one.


to be honest, i don't know if i'd have finished ahead on the day with just the wps betting. i know i hit a couple really good ones, but i also did very well with exactas those two days that paid nicely, also the early daily double.
but like i said above, i don't play 2/3-1's either.
i'm not a big gambler, i don't go that often, so i'm still somewhat tentative. but we had a hell of a great time up there!

Danzig 09-28-2008 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Well the fact of the matter is I am up close to $1000.00 this year, and most of it was on Big Brown. Most of it was also when he won the Fla Derby and KY Derby when I got some decent odds. I still bet him in every race despite his heavily favorite odds.

Recently, I strayed from the script with this across the board stuff and have not been nearly as successful. So the advice of Hoss is very sensible to me.

hossy, i disagree. i think roller doc and hrfan will get along fine.

Coach Pants 09-28-2008 09:21 AM

Hank might be out of a job soon. Weight, blood sugar and blood pressure reading plz.


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