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hrfan 09-23-2008 05:38 AM

Tony Romo ?
 
Is he a top 5 NFL quarterback ? some would say yes, some could easily say no.... i say yes, but there are a number of guys you could put in front of him like....

Big Ben
Peyton
Eli
Brett
Tom Brady
Donovan
Drew Brees
i would also say
Cutler and Rivers are close even though i dislike both of them.

zippyneedsawin 09-23-2008 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrfan
Is he a top 5 NFL quarterback ? some would say yes, some could easily say no.... i say yes, but there are a number of guys you could put in front of him like....

Big Ben -No
Peyton -Yes
Eli -No
Brett -NO (not anymore)
Tom Brady -NO (not this year)
Donovan -No
Drew Brees -No
i would also say
Cutler (maybe) and Rivers (maybe) are close even though i dislike both of them.


I think this belongs in the Sports forum, but I'll respond anyway..

hrfan 09-23-2008 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
I think this belongs in the Sports forum, but I'll respond anyway..

your right, sorry i thought i was in there

Antitrust32 09-23-2008 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrfan
Is he a top 5 NFL quarterback ? some would say yes, some could easily say no.... i say yes, but there are a number of guys you could put in front of him like....

Big Ben
Peyton
Eli
Brett
Tom Brady
Donovan
Drew Brees
i would also say
Cutler and Rivers are close even though i dislike both of them.

I dont know about Big Ben... but Romo fits with those guys I think. (and that takes a lot for me to say that being an Eagles fan)

GBBob 09-23-2008 07:30 AM

I think Top 5 TODAY (which excludes Brady) are..in no particular order

- Romo
- P Mannning
- McNabb
- Rivers
- Roethlisberger

I think Brees is real close as well

Cannon Shell 09-23-2008 08:03 AM

Pennington :tro:

Culpepper :$:

GBBob 09-23-2008 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Pennington :tro:

Culpepper :$:

rabble-rouser

jwkniska 09-23-2008 08:22 AM

personally, I think Romo's about the most overrated qb in the nfl. gets more press time due to his out of football life and how many BIG games has he won... ZERO, blown by himself, multiple.

my top 5 (if all were healthy)
P. Manning
Brady (although I can't stand him)
Roethlisberger
McNabb
Brees

declansharbor 09-23-2008 01:37 PM

I've never bought into the Big Ben hype, and NO WAY would I ever have him in front of a presumably healthy McNabb. It is tough though, to rate QB's, as they all have different variables to consider. (O-lines, TE's and WR's to alleviate pressure) I'm not knocking Romo, as I feel when he's given adequate time in the pocket, he's one of the best. I would just like to see what he would do on a team like SF or TB. It could be said about any QB for that matter, but I always wonder if Romeo would be regarded as one of the best if he had less firepower and had to fit balls into tighter coverages. We're not going to find out anytime soon barring an injury to TO and Witten (the best at each respective position IMO). Work with what you have.

With that said, my top 5 reads:

1. Brady
1A. Manning
3. McNabb
4. Romo
5. Brees

Antitrust32 09-23-2008 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by declansharbor
I've never bought into the Big Ben hype, and NO WAY would I ever have him in front of a presumably healthy McNabb. It is tough though, to rate QB's, as they all have different variables to consider. (O-lines, TE's and WR's to alleviate pressure) I'm not knocking Romo, as I feel when he's given adequate time in the pocket, he's one of the best. I would just like to see what he would do on a team like SF or TB. It could be said about any QB for that matter, but I always wonder if Romeo would be regarded as one of the best if he had less firepower and had to fit balls into tighter coverages. We're not going to find out anytime soon barring an injury to TO and Witten (the best at each respective position IMO). Work with what you have.

With that said, my top 5 reads:

1. Brady
1A. Manning
3. McNabb
4. Romo
5. Brees

I think by the end of the year Cutler will be an elite QB, now that he has his diabetes under control he's looked very good this year.

wiphan 09-23-2008 02:14 PM

Until he can prove that he can win in the playoffs I say no

1-Brady
2-Manning
3-McNabb
4-Brees
5-Big Ben

declansharbor 09-23-2008 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I think by the end of the year Cutler will be an elite QB, now that he has his diabetes under control he's looked very good this year.

I agree 100%. By the end of the year, both Cutler and Rodgers will move up the board tremendously. I'm still on the fence about Rivers. I think the fact that he looks like a rich frat boy and his actions in the IND/SD playoff game are the root of my distaste for him.

philcski 09-23-2008 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antitrust32
I think by the end of the year Cutler will be an elite QB, now that he has his diabetes under control he's looked very good this year.

I don't think people have ANY idea how difficult it would be to play football with that issue, controlled or not. My hats off to him.

2 Dollar Bill 09-23-2008 04:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrfan
Is he a top 5 NFL quarterback ? some would say yes, some could easily say no.... i say yes, but there are a number of guys you could put in front of him like....

Big Ben
Peyton
Eli
Brett
Tom Brady
Donovan
Drew Brees
i would also say
Cutler and Rivers are close even though i dislike both of them.

Regular season or Post season ? He can put up some #'s during the season.. but playoffs??????

hi_im_god 09-24-2008 08:45 PM

i'm waiting for the ryan leaf comeback.

he's gold. people just need to shut up and let him be. he's just fine. stop bugging him. it was a good pick. shut the f up. it was all the media's fault.

can we move this thread to politics?

pgardn 09-24-2008 08:54 PM

Romo has the best offensive line in Football right now.
He has pulled some big chokes and has thrown some
very ill-timed interceptions in the past.

He has arguable the best Tight End in football (include blocking)
a good stable of running backs, and one of the best Wideouts
in football.

I abstain for now on calling him top 5.

hi_im_god 09-24-2008 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Romo has the best offensive line in Football right now.
He has pulled some big chokes and has thrown some
very ill-timed interceptions in the past.

He has arguable the best uninjured Tight End in football (include blocking)
a good stable of running backs, and one of the best Wideouts
in football.

I abstain for now on calling him top 5.


ftfy

pgardn 09-24-2008 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
ftfy


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ffffhhhhtttt

cat noises in mating season.

ALostTexan 09-24-2008 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
i'm waiting for the ryan leaf comeback.

he's gold. people just need to shut up and let him be. he's just fine. stop bugging him. it was a good pick. shut the f up. it was all the media's fault.

can we move this thread to politics?

Actually, Ryan Leaf is doing better now post-NFL than alot of NFL quarterbacks. This is a good piece on him. He is doing well in Canyon, TX, close to Amarillo, is very popular in the community, and the Buffs are doing great.

Plus, I like the part about how he lives in an 1,800 square foot home, banking what he made in the NFL. Smarter move than most. And with a few million in the bank, he is a trillionaire in the Texas Panhandle...

hi_im_god 09-24-2008 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALostTexan
Actually, Ryan Leaf is doing better now post-NFL than alot of NFL quarterbacks. This is a good piece on him. He is doing well in Canyon, TX, close to Amarillo, is very popular in the community, and the Buffs are doing great.

Plus, I like the part about how he lives in an 1,800 square foot home, banking what he made in the NFL. Smarter move than most. And with a few million in the bank, he is a trillionaire in the Texas Panhandle...

nike and pepsi endorsements?

where's the federal bailout on those bad investments?

ALostTexan 09-25-2008 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hi_im_god
nike and pepsi endorsements?

where's the federal bailout on those bad investments?

Very true. Generally speaking, are endorsements guaranteed like baseball contracts? Any difference between just sucking verses rape charges (Kobe, even though he was not guilty) or prison time (Vick)? Interesting, although completely off-topic...

zippyneedsawin 09-25-2008 06:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiphan
Until he can prove that he can win in the playoffs I say no

1-Brady
2-Manning
3-McNabb
4-Brees
5-Big Ben

Romo has only been a starter in the league for two years. Yes he's 0-2 and still has something to prove, but on talent.. along with the talent surrounding him... he's a top 5 QB easy.

Besides, it's not like McNabb has led the Eagles to the promised land yet.. they've made it to the NCF conference championship multiple times and the Super Bowl once.. but never over the hump.
and as for Brees, he has lead his teams to exactly one playoff win in his career.. against Philly.

declansharbor 09-25-2008 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zippyneedsawin
Romo has only been a starter in the league for two years. Yes he's 0-2 and still has something to prove, but on talent.. along with the talent surrounding him... he's a top 5 QB easy.

Besides, it's not like McNabb has led the Eagles to the promised land yet.. they've made it to the NCF conference championship multiple times and the Super Bowl once.. but never over the hump.
and as for Brees, he has lead his teams to exactly one playoff win in his career.. against Philly.


Ummm???
You act as if those NCF Championships were easy to get to with the cast of characters ensembled. Give McNabb a TRUE #1 RECIEVER, one that demands a double team that opens up the field for others, and it's documented what he can do. (2004)

Then, you knock Brees on the same thing that could be said about Romo? The fact is, Romo had 2 opportunities to win playoff games, and let one of them slip through his hands, literally. I don't care if he only had 2 GAMES as a starter, with his surrounding talent, he should have at least 1 NCF Championship under his belt thus far.

Come on Zip, your using flawed logic to knock some and praise others.

MaTH716 09-25-2008 11:30 AM

You have to give McNabb credit (even thought I despise everyone else in the NFC east) he had a top reciever in Philly for what 1-2 seasons and they made it to the super bowl. He has no where near the type of weapons that Dallas, Giants and even Redskins to a certain extent have and they are always there. It seems that McNabb is hated in Philly, but I think the guy is a warrior and always gives his best.

declansharbor 09-25-2008 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaTH716
You have to give McNabb credit (even thought I despise everyone else in the NFC east) he had a top reciever in Philly for what 1-2 seasons and they made it to the super bowl. He has no where near the type of weapons that Dallas, Giants and even Redskins to a certain extent have and they are always there. It seems that McNabb is hated in Philly, but I think the guy is a warrior and always gives his best.

:mad: :mad:

























Me too.:D

Mortimer 09-25-2008 11:34 AM

You know what I thought was a really good pick by the Mooboys was that running back from Arkansas who played behind McFadden.

Gosh I hope I'm right on who I think he is.


Barber was,too.




Gosh I hope Barber is the guy I mean.

Mortimer 09-25-2008 11:36 AM

I give McNabb a whole lot of credit until he says something stupid.


The idiot Browns were stuck between Couch and the guy Cincinnati took because we didn't.


Ya couldn't go right between those two.

Crown@club 09-25-2008 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mortimer
I give McNabb a whole lot of credit until he says something stupid.


The idiot Browns were stuck between Couch and the guy Cincinnati took because we didn't.


Ya couldn't go right between those two.

Ah that Akili Smith who thought he was dissed for not being taken by the Browns.

Hey give Couch credit. He did marry Heather Kozar.


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