do we want to know the truth?
 

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...,3487235.story

i'm thinking everyone wants to stay in their own corner and only read stories that reinforce their own beliefs. far more appealing than uncomfortable truth's.

you mean like you're doing?

how about some truth about community organizers? Barack's beloved ACORN group is at it again with more voter fraud in Detroit. of course maybe some of you may want to believe the fairytail that its all about helping the disadvantaged.

in Detroit:
"Several municipal clerks across the state are reporting fraudulent and duplicate voter registration applications, most of them from a nationwide community activist group working to help low- and moderate-income families."
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...=2008809140383


http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_...ty_regime.html

How about the truth about Earmarks John?
 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1221...gn2008_mostpop



Last week, Republican presidential candidate Sen. John McCain said his running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, hadn't sought earmarks or special-interest spending from Congress, presenting her as a fiscal conservative. But state records show Gov. Palin has asked U.S. taxpayers to fund $453 million in specific Alaska projects over the past two years.

These projects include more than $130 million in federal funds that would benefit Alaska's fishing industry and an additional $9 million to help Alaska oil companies. She also has sought $4.5 million to upgrade an airport on a Bering Sea island that has a year-round population of less than 100.


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Gov. Sarah Palin sought more than $130 million in federal funds for the Alaskan fishing industry.
Sen. McCain has made the battle against earmarks and wasteful spending a centerpiece of his campaign. He has never sought earmarks for his state of Arizona and vows to veto pork-barrel spending bills that come to his desk as president, saying these projects should go through normal budget review. And he derides the argument that states often make: that they're funding important projects.

"If they're worthy projects they can be authorized and appropriated in a New York minute," he explained on his campaign bus earlier this year, before Gov. Palin joined the ticket. "If they're worthy projects I know they'd be funded."

During an appearance Friday on ABC's "The View," Sen. McCain said Gov. Palin shared his views, and hasn't sought congressional earmarks. "Not as governor she hasn't," he said.

In fact, in the current fiscal year, she is seeking $197 million for 31 projects, the records show. In the prior year, her first year in office, she sought $256 million for dozens more projects ranging from research on rockfish and harbor-seal genetics to rural sanitation and obesity prevention. By comparison, her predecessor, Gov. Frank Murkowski, sought more than $350 million in his last year in office.

The McCain campaign said Sunday that Gov. Palin's overall record is one of fiscal discipline. "Her record is cutting the number of earmark requests from the previous administration sizably," said McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds, and she has vetoed wasteful state spending.

As for Sen. McCain's televised comments on Friday, Mr. Bounds added, "If he gave viewers a mistaken impression, it certainly wasn't intentional."

In an interview with ABC News on Friday, Gov. Palin herself suggested she no longer seeks earmarks for her state. "The abuse of earmarks, it's un-American, it's undemocratic, and it's not going to be accepted in a McCain-Palin administration. Earmark abuse will stop."

When pressed about her record as governor, she said: "We have drastically, drastically reduced our earmark request since I came into office. This is what I've been telling Alaskans for these years that I've been in office, is no more."

Alaska's success with earmarks is due in part to the power of Sen. Ted Stevens, the top Republican on the Senate Appropriations Committee. The state's earmark requests stand out in part because its state government is among the wealthiest in the U.S. Flush with oil and gas royalties, it doesn't impose income or sales taxes. In fact, money flows the other way: Every man, woman and child this year got a check for $3,200.

The McCain campaign has also come under fire for saying on the stump and in TV ads that Gov. Palin killed the controversial "Bridge to Nowhere," a $223 million earmark linking the mainland to a sparsely populated island. In fact, she supported the project initially and killed it after it was widely criticized and Congress allowed the state to use the funds for other projects.

On the campaign trail, Gov. Palin has repeatedly attacked Sen. Obama on earmarks. "Our opponent has requested nearly one billion dollars in earmarks in three years. That's about a million for every working day," she said at a rally in Albuquerque, N.M.

Sen. Barack Obama requested a total of $860 million in earmarks in his Senate years, according to Taxpayers for Common Sense. That doesn't include $78 million for projects that were national in scope and had been requested by many lawmakers. Sen. Obama halted all earmark requests in fiscal 2009.

It is difficult to compare Sen. Obama's earmark record with Gov. Palin's -- their states differ in size, for instance, and the two candidates play different roles in the process. But using the same calculation that the McCain campaign uses, the total amount of earmarked dollars divided by the number of working days while each held office (assuming a five-day workweek, every week, for both), Gov. Palin sought $980,000 per workday, compared with roughly $893,000 for Sen. Obama.

Mr. Bounds, the McCain campaign spokesman, called this an "apples and oranges comparison" because Sen. Obama sought more than Gov. Palin and because she cut earmark requests.

Write to Laura Meckler at laura.meckler@wsj.com

I could care less whether Sarah Palin's plane sold on ebay or not.

I have to laugh..when all these Senators like Biden and Obama are condemning Palin a Governor for ASKING for earmarks - when they are actually the ones that vote for the projects and the $$$$$$. If they find it so abhorring - why don't they just declare that they will not vote for earmarks - period.

I am going on record that I am ASKING for $25 K to re-do my back porch - if the Senators vote me the $$$ - I'll take it and run...

Geeker-

Obama and Biden arent campaigning as "the maverick" or the "government reformer" that is going to rid our country of earmarks. Palin/Mccain are.

McCain went on national TV and LIED about Palin not requesting earmarks.

If she is so AGAINST earmarks, why ask for nearly a half a billion dollars in less than 2 years?

Because the system allows it and almost demands it....

I can understand a postion that says we must reform the system - but while the system is still handing out $$$$ I am going to get my share.


Hey I don't think it is right that they are handing out $$$$ for my new deck - but if they are going to hand it out anyway - sh^t I am going to take it...but I may say it aint right!


..and are you saying that O/B are for earmarks and not reforming the system? where exactly do they stand?

If I am going to lambast my opponent and his earmark requests, I am going to make damn sure that I am clean on this front. Per capita, Alaska is worse. She is actually the earmark queen. That is why she is in bed (not literally...i dont think) with that corrupt congressman up there.

To answer your question, Obama's state has no earmarks for 2009 and is in favor of earmark reform.

Further, Geeker, why would McCain LIE about it on national TV. Do you want to see the clip where McCain says that Palin did not receive earmarks?

Ya'll are taking this polictical rhetoric way to seriously....at the national level they all have many skeletons in the closet...it's mostly a matter of deciding who might be least offensive.

earmark requests do not come from govenors, they are funding requests that get slipped into congressional bills by senators or congressmen, therefore the specific funding requested in the earmark can be as porky as they want, but they don't get voted on separately as its part of the whole bill package.

Palin requested federal money for projects for Alaska, not through the earmark process, just like all of her predecessors except she significantly reduced the requests compared to previous years. These funding requests have to be justified, and congress can vote them down.

so, Mccain was correct, Palin did not request earmarks.
she did however ask for federal money for Alaska.

Jim..thanks..it does explain things a bit more..at least for me.:tro:

McCain claimed that she did NOT RECEIVE earmarks. You are trying to change what he said and you are wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMN_PP2qhNQ

What does it make you if Karl Rove calls you a liar
 

Wasn't he saying they both are equal in their deception? btw..he also thought Obama meant the pig comment

ROVE: Yeah. Well, first of all, I do think that the lipstick remark was an inappropriate — and maybe it was unconscious, but it was a deliberate slap at Governor Palin.

The only time this word has intruded in recent months in the campaign was in her, you know, self-deprecating remark at the convention. So for him to use the lipstick remark less than two weeks after she used it struck me as too much of a coincidence not to have been a deliberate attack.

But look. Both campaigns are making a mistake, and that is they are taking whatever their attacks are and going one step too far. We saw this this week, for example, in the Obama ad where he makes the point, a legitimate point, that John McCain came to the United States Congress in 1982 and that he has been a longtime Washington insider.

But they then say he doesn't even know how to use a — you know, doesn't send e-mail. Well, this is because his war injuries keep him from being able to use a keyboard. He can't type. You know, it's like saying he can't do jumping jacks.

Well, there's a reason why he can't raise his arms above his head. There's a reason why he doesn't have the nimbleness in his fingers.

WALLACE: All right, and for fair game, what is McCain doing that goes a step too far?

ROVE: Well, McCain has gone in some of his ads — similarly gone one step too far, and sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100-percent-truth test.

They don't need to attack each other in this way. They have legitimate points to make about each other that are beyond, you know, the...

I could not agree more. It's an election people! Candidates say all kinds of things stretching the truth more than silly putty. Yes, there's some accurate things said, but trying to weigh through all the crap is fruitless.
You may like one candidate more than another but trying to come to some conclusion (I'm right , your wrong) is absolutely fruitless.

Nothing gets done anyway, I mean the things that can reshape our country that is miserable shape until there is a crisis. As soon as this was is over will see one as the money that pumps the war is falsely boistering our economy. Then will see a crisis and things will change.

Have a nice day,

Spyder

I hear ya payson dave and spyder.

I cant speak for anyone else but i am just having fun. I like the fact that people are passionate both ways. I realize that these opinions really don't matter outside of our own little world here.

Cheers to Geeker, arljim78 and the rest....ah, scratch that. Cheers to Geeker and the rest. No harm intended and nothing personal is meant.

except you know you love me and coach :{>: deep down ya do!

Especially me!

ditto...I never met a hermaphrodite I didn't like...but then again I never met one...err at least not that I know of :eek: :)

I do!!!

No bad people here. Just having fun. If I were driving by any of you were on the side of the road surely i would stop and pick you up...except maybe Honu who would no doubt smell up my car and arljim78 who would be dressed like a flasher.

This board is a great time. Closet thing to the old tbredtimes board.

oh my god

That was CLASSIC. LOL

:wf :wf :tro: :tro:

Best Post of The Year!:tro:

That's was funnier than sh*t!

I can't wait to see the opposing view

Okay, either you can't read or you are lying which would be rather typical. Here is another link:

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...,1324706.story

I'll take a stab and say it would include socks, Randy Moss, and many other gems made for mining from my sadly high 3.9K+ post total.

Unless it was a Sighty-Poo production - I'd imagine that would have something to do with a talking Discreet Cat and a forty of Beast Ice.

No. only an idiot would try to come back on something so brilliant and funny.

That was great.

Cheers.

Fackcheck.org
 

Annenberg owns this...not exactly middle of the road! Supported Ayers...supports Obama. the tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive.....

Ftfy

don't know what that is..but knowing your mind I'm sure it's complimentary

I particularly enjoy the one-upsmanship. you liar you, why, i'll lie too! no point in either sides' supporters getting their panties in a wad, as their own candidate engages in the same behavior. two wrong don't make a right, but it may make things more interesting.

"Sites such as FactCheck, a project of the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center, also seek to clarify public comments by candidates, to growing response from voters. Jackson, the project's director, said well over a million people visited the site last week."

i don't know who annenberg is but it appears he donated enough money to the u of p to get a part of the school named after him.

he doesn't "own" factcheck anymore than someone who has the wing of a hospital named after them owns the doctors that treat patients there.

i can't figure out if you actually believe what you post. i hope for your sake you're just being deceptive and not actually that stupid.

AGREE!!! You may as well read the National Enquirer these days as the newspapers.

Annenberg is dead now, so he can't own much. But his foundation certainly has a decidedly liberal bias. If you check the current page at the site, it lists 95% of info(reports) against the Republican candidates. You could contain your imagery abit and drop some of the slams when you post a rebuttal. Attacks, per se, aren't rebuttals. When your ADHD meds kick in, you could check out Walters' storied rise to power.