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sdjcom 09-13-2008 04:18 PM

Big Brown WOW!!!!
 
Could Curlin do that? Even in Dubia this field was a stronger field that BB beat even though it was on grass. BB ran the stakes winners, older horses into the ground. What's your take, or excuses DTer's?

ELA 09-13-2008 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
Could Curlin do that? Even in Dubia this field was a stronger field that BB beat even though it was on grass. BB ran the stakes winners, older horses into the ground. What's your take, or excuses DTer's?

My take? Couldn't disagree with you more.

Eric

Lava 09-13-2008 04:19 PM

LMAO

AeWingnut 09-13-2008 04:47 PM

:rolleyes:

sdjcom 09-13-2008 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA
My take? Couldn't disagree with you more.

Eric

Well ok, what is your take? That's why ask on this forum, for opinions,you disagree, so tell why, or you can't think of anything right now, or you going to wait and read a write up on DRF then come back with something.

letswastemoney 09-13-2008 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
Could Curlin do that? Even in Dubia this field was a stronger field that BB beat even though it was on grass. BB ran the stakes winners, older horses into the ground. What's your take, or excuses DTer's?

Red Rocks and Better Talk Now are BC Turf champions. What has Proudinsky done? win a couple of G2s?

blackthroatedwind 09-13-2008 05:46 PM

It was the single most impressive score I saw in an ungraded stake on the turf at Monmouth today......no question about it.

It sets him up perfectly for............absolutely nothing.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-13-2008 05:53 PM

I don't know man. I thought he handled his business quite well. Hardly a very exciting performance... but pretty good stuff.

blackthroatedwind 09-13-2008 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I don't know man. I thought he handled his business quite well. Hardly a very exciting performance... but pretty good stuff.


He beat Proudinsky by a head in basically a four horse photo. What am I missing?

The Indomitable DrugS 09-13-2008 06:03 PM

He hadn't run on the turf since his debut - and was difficult to settle early on.

I think if he met Proudinsky and Shakis again in a few weeks the outcome would likely see him winning much more convincingly.

I bet Proudinsky and thought he had every chance for sure.

Does the performance deserve a capital wow and four exclamation points? Of course not - that posters only job is to rack up the points and try and cement his status as the #1 pick in the '09 DT Fantasy tard draft.

sdjcom 09-13-2008 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He hadn't run on the turf since his debut - and was difficult to settle early on.

I think if he met Proudinsky and Shakis again in a few weeks the outcome would likely see him winning much more convincingly.

I bet Proudinsky and thought he had every chance for sure.

Does the performance deserve a capital wow and four exclamation points? Of course not - that posters only job is to rack up the points and try and cement his status as the #1 pick in the '09 DT Fantasy tard draft.

I thought the performence deserved a WOW!!! however most are bias on the forum, against BB and remember he's moving up from 3yr old races to older horses. Will he win the classic? I'm not sure, however I bet he gives a good account of himself. The horse is 7/8 winners and still only 3. If he wins
Classic a lot of people will rag it because they hate Dutrow.

sdjcom 09-13-2008 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He beat Proudinsky by a head in basically a four horse photo. What am I missing?

A four horse close finish, pretty exciting I think.

blackthroatedwind 09-13-2008 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
A four horse close finish, pretty exciting I think.


It was an exciting race. So was the third at Belmont today. Should we give the winner of that NY Bred MSW a " WOW!!! " as well?

sdjcom 09-13-2008 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by letswastemoney
Red Rocks and Better Talk Now are BC Turf champions. What has Proudinsky done? win a couple of G2s?

Good thing Red Rocks and Better talk now wasn't there they would have been up the track somewhere with that pace.

hrfan 09-13-2008 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It was the single most impressive score I saw in an ungraded stake on the turf at Monmouth today......no question about it.

It sets him up perfectly for............absolutely nothing.

lol i actually think this is funny...
i am a big brown hater, but he was strong today, did kent ever even touch him ?

hoovesupsideyourhead 09-13-2008 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA
My take? Couldn't disagree with you more.

Eric

AGREED!!

blackthroatedwind 09-13-2008 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
Good thing Red Rocks and Better talk now wasn't there they would have been up the track somewhere with that pace.


Time for a tune up.

sdjcom 09-13-2008 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It was an exciting race. So was the third at Belmont today. Should we give the winner of that NY Bred MSW a " WOW!!! " as well?

No we should'nt but damn you don't like anybody to say something nice about a exciting race. Sorry it didn't wow you.

blackthroatedwind 09-13-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
No we should'nt but damn you don't like anybody to say something nice about a exciting race. Sorry it didn't wow you.

I love the old " I said something foolish, got exposed, so I will turn it around on the other poster " routine.

ateamstupid 09-13-2008 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
Could Curlin do that?

Could Curlin beat Proudinsky by a head? I'll go out on a limb and say yes.

Bigsmc 09-13-2008 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
however most are bias on the forum, against BB

This is my favorite gem of the thread.

sdjcom 09-13-2008 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Could Curlin beat Proudinsky by a head? I'll go out on a limb and say yes.

On turf? lol

sdjcom 09-13-2008 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
This is my favorite gem of the thread.

Thanks i knew most would like it, i love stirring up the troops. lol

Alan07 09-13-2008 07:45 PM

REPLAY:2008 Monmouth Stakes - Big Brown

sdjcom 09-13-2008 07:58 PM

FYI 17,047 in attendance at Monmouth
 
Not bad for Monmouth

kelster 09-13-2008 08:45 PM

BB showed today that he is legit, its nice that they keep running at least until the classic.

Cannon Shell 09-13-2008 08:47 PM

I thought that BB was very impressive today.

philcski 09-13-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I thought that BB was very impressive today.

I did too, setting some strong fractions and cruising home, margin of victory wasn't huge but it looked to me like KD had it measured pretty well and didn't get after him late.
Unfortunately there's a lot of people on here drinking the haterade on him and probably would disagree on principle alone. FYI I bet against him today, incorrectly

Cannon Shell 09-13-2008 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I did too, setting some strong fractions and cruising home, margin of victory wasn't huge but it looked to me like KD had it measured pretty well and didn't get after him late.
Unfortunately there's a lot of people on here drinking the haterade on him and probably would disagree on principle alone. FYI I bet against him today, incorrectly

I am hardly a member of the BB adoration club but he ran really well under less than ideal circumstances against a legit field of older horses on a surface he hadnt run over in a long time. Obviously you couldnt take that price but the effort was strong.

geeker2 09-13-2008 09:19 PM

"Except for his last race, the Haskell, I've never asked him to break," Desormeaux said. "Today when the gates opened, I chirped at him and he responded. It made a huge difference going into that first turn when that other horse (Get Serious) left his side. When that happened, he focused and calmed down.

"I think he showed you what kind of heart he's got. When Proudinsky did get to his neck, I knew we had him. My horse just resurged and kept digging all the way to the wire."

Kent gets an "A" for his grammar today :tro:

slotdirt 09-13-2008 09:21 PM

The IEAH-Jess Jackson back and forth is becoming so tedious, it's not funny. Just had to throw that out there.

GPK 09-13-2008 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
Good thing Red Rocks and Better talk now wasn't there they would have been up the track somewhere with that pace.


Are you serious?? You really didn't just make this statement, did you?

dalakhani 09-13-2008 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Are you serious?? You really didn't just make this statement, did you?

Yes, he did. He is to racing commentary what Timmigirvan is to politics.

GPK 09-13-2008 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Yes, he did. He is to racing commentary what Timmigirvan is to politics.


I'm sure he made some $$ on BB today, but in the long run, anytime someone with that thought process wants to keep feeding the mutual pools, Im all for it.:tro:

pgardn 09-13-2008 10:07 PM

Did the Fatman see how Get Serious tried to herd
horses around the first turn?
Too bad there were no horses to herd.

Where be the outrage.
Where be the fat...

blackthroatedwind 09-13-2008 10:34 PM

Big Brown did run well today and considering the overall quality of the US turf horses he would probably be reasonably competitive in many of our turf races, at least at 1 1/8 or less. However, that really doesn't mean a great deal, and for a horse many have heralded as a special horse, today's effort in some ways devalues his supposed abilities.

He's a very good horse. We all knew that. However, today's race did nothing to disprove the notion that he was simply born in the right year.

the_fat_man 09-13-2008 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
...for a horse many have heralded as a special horse, today's effort in some ways devalues his supposed abilities.

The horse is special to those not fixated on figures. He's special because he's able to run at a reasonably high level on at least 2 surfaces. And when he handles Poly reasonably well, he'll be all the more special for it. Of course, he just won't be fast enough for some. Because, let's face it, horse racing really is about DIRT RACING and all the biases that come with it. :rolleyes:

All week I'm reading how this supposed strong field is going to kick his butt. He takes the worst of it in terms of setup and he still holds off Proudinsky under, essentially, tap urging and a loose rein by the jock. He changed leads like a 1st time starter and also drifted a bit in the lane, YET Proudinsky couldn't get by. So, either he's okay or Proudinsky is a plug. Probably a little of both.

VOL JACK 09-13-2008 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Big Brown did run well today and considering the overall quality of the US turf horses he would probably be reasonably competitive in many of our turf races, at least at 1 1/8 or less. However, that really doesn't mean a great deal, and for a horse many have heralded as a special horse, today's effort in some ways devalues his supposed abilities.

He's a very good horse. We all knew that. However, today's race did nothing to disprove the notion that he was simply born in the right year.

Well said....... BB ran a 105 Beyer.

RollerDoc 09-13-2008 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sdjcom
I thought the performence deserved a WOW!!! however most are bias on the forum, against BB and remember he's moving up from 3yr old races to older horses. Will he win the classic? I'm not sure, however I bet he gives a good account of himself. The horse is 7/8 winners and still only 3. If he wins
Classic a lot of people will rag it because they hate Dutrow.

I couldn't agree more. It is amazing to me the lack of respect for Big Brown. Many on this Board can only find the negatives or excuses why he deserves little credit. He's had a stellar year and the best thing that has come along in 2008. Would love to see Big Brown win the BCC.

RollerDoc 09-13-2008 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Could Curlin beat Proudinsky by a head? I'll go out on a limb and say yes.

The same guy who likes to call the class of 2008 "Pig" Brown.


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