9/13 (MTH): $500k Monmouth S.
 

9th (4:52) Monmouth S.

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $500,000

1 Nightscape Flores E 119 L
2 Hotstufanthensome Lezcano J 119 L
3 Shakis (IRE) Bravo J 121 L
4 Big Brown Desormeaux K J 120 L
5 Kiss the Kid Trujillo E 119 L
6 Proudinsky (GER) Dominguez R 119 L
7 Drum Major Carmouche K 119 L
8 Get Serious Fragoso P 119 L
9 Fagedaboudit Sal Cotto P L Jr 121 L
10 Ballonenostrikes Centeno D E 119 L
11 Silver Tree Castro E 121 L

Hes Got His Hands Full..

Shakis!!

Is this a new race? Never even heard of it.

If BB wins this race he is for real. I think he'll win :eek:

I agree, winning the Florida Derby, Kentucky Derby, Preakness Stakes, and the Haskell wasnt enough. The Monmouth Stakes is the true test of champions.

Thats not what I meant. Shakis and Proudinsky are going to the the two best horses he's run against after this race. It will able us to measure him up better.

I think his accomplishments are amazing.. thats why I'm picking him to win eventhough I wouldnt back that up with a dime.


Oh- and yes it is a new race, Monmouth created it specifically for Big Brown. I've seen Shakis run twice at Toga... he looked amazing both times! This should be a good race. I feel BB could be better on the grass than off (kinda like dutrow).

What are the odds that this race will actually be run on the TURF? If it is OTT who will stay in other than BB?

I like Silver Tree to win it.

Can't wait for Silver Tree's old ass to dust Pig Brown.

What are the odds Big Brown will be scratched because it is unlikely he can handle horses of this caliber. if they thought they were going to get a field full of goats to roll over for him they are mistaken. Finally, he has a field of legitimate stakes caliber opponents. Reality is going to be brutal.

I'm curious about the weights. The condition book says "older 124 lbs, 3yo's 120 lbs." Is the old scale of weights that the Jockey Club used to have still in use? I know that when they run the BC, in the Classic and Turf, 3yo's get a five pound allowance from older horses when the BC is run in October and four pounds when it's in November. They are only getting four pounds here?

Nevermind. Just found the scale and it says at 8f, 3yo's get four pounds in September and at 10f, they get five. So it seems that four is just about right.

Why instead of running on Turf, why not put him in a race run on Poly to see if he runs good/bad on it. Why till the Classic to find out?

Why ruin a great built-in excuse?

Unless the poly race they put him in is the Goodwood, maybe they are thinking that racing on junk somewhere else won't be an indicator of how he'd do at SA. Sort of like why would a prep at Arlington tell someone how their horse will like Saratoga?

Proudinsky :tro:

He has issues. . .

Am I correct, seriously, that IEAH is the sponsor of this race as well?

If they think that then its stupid. What is running on Turf going to give him unless they go for BC Turf. If they are eyeing the Classic then go for a poly type surface. Run him at turfway for Kentucky Cup. Turfway and SA are simmilar type surface as far as polytrack is concerned.

Yup.. From the MTH website press release on the draw...

OCEANPORT, N.J. - Big Brown, winner of four Grade 1 races this year including the Haskell Invitational and undisputed leader of the 3-year-old division, drew Post 4 Thursday as a field of 11 was entered for Saturday's inaugural running of the $500,000 Monmouth Stakes Presented by IEAH Stables.

Any odds yet?

Is this race being televised?

tvg

That's the point. No surface is going to prepare him for exactly what he's going to run on in the Classic. So, with the issues he has with his feet, they are looking for an easier surface to run on than dirt. Where have you heard that Turfway and SA are similar? As far as I know, they've never run a single race on this stuff so how can anyone know this?

I will be wagering on Silver Tree in here... Win/PLace, just because i think Brown could run out of the top 3 here.

I'm just curious, why do you make reference to the "Pig" remark with this horse? He has won 6 of 7 races that he entered? Clearly he has a more impressive resume than 99.9% of his competitors over the past several years. So what does that make those horses in your eyes? Pretty harsh and unfair I'd say.

Very well put.

Probably last five years is the majority of my knowledge. But I have done some research of horses in the past. I am fascinated by Alydar (even though Affirmed beat him all those times).

Touting Big Brown as a superstar is a stretch but he has had a great year. I never put him in the same mix as some of the greatest horses. I just feel like many don't give this horse the credit he is deserving of based on his record.

Actually he gets way too much credit based on his record as opposed to his actual on track performance.

He's a very good horse. There used to be plenty better than him every year.

You may be right but I always see the arguments on here about hypothetical match ups, and they always get poo pooed. So how can anyone say for sure that Big Brown would have gotten dusted by Smarty Jones or Afleet Alex etc.?

Because we saw those horses run and we've seen Big Brown run. Not to belittle you at all but you have to have more than five years of perspective to really see these things in a historical context.

....come on....where is the n.y:{>: forBIG brown;)

True but I don't really make historical comments. Only within my bandwidth. I'm sure I'll know more a year from now and a year after that, etc. We all have to start somewhere.

SILVER TREE and DRUM MAJOR are cross-entered in the $250,000 President's Cup at Philadelphia Park, a much easier spot than having to face Big Brown.

Looks like IEAH screwed up a bit when writing the conditions of the race, whatever they may be. Gaging from the weights, it looks like Brown got no concession because of his G1 wins, although not on the turf, while G2T winners got 3 pounds, and others got 5.

why is facing Big Brown not easy ?

I don't like Shakis here, he seems to do his best running at the Spa.

saying he's better than 99.9% of the competition the last few years is definitely a historical comment. since you have gotten much of a timeline to compare, it might be better to say you've enjoyed his year, that he's definitely the top 3 yo this year. but everyone knows that....

i would also disagree with that. big brown hasn't raced on turf in a year, while these horses do all their running there. they're no slouches on the grass. i don't see where he'd scare off top older turf horses at all.