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The Indomitable DrugS 09-09-2008 04:47 PM

117.2 vs 116.0
 
Tom Brady's 2007 qb rating (117.2) <--- best season ever by an NFL qb.

Matt Cassell's week #1 QB rating (116)

Tom Brady's week #1 QB rating (83.9)


Obviously Brady's 578 pass attempts in '07 was slightly more than Cassell's 18 pass attempts in week #1. But he's managed to about keep that otherworldly pace so far.

I saw Cassell in the preseason - and I thought he was awful.. but that won't matter because guys will be open - huge mismatches will be there to exploit - and when that isn't the case...just fling a deep ball up to Moss and you are just as likely to get a huge play or defensive pass interference as you are an incompletion. Interceptions are VERY rare because the DB's are fixated on getting the best position they can and not playing the ball. Most refs don't call push offs either if Db's don't make an effort for playing the ball.

Basically - the Pats are far from done. Cassell hasn't started since high school and he might need a few weeks to get it together - but that offense will still be one of the three best in the NFL.

The biggest difference between Brady and Cassell in a Moss offense is that Brady is trusted and Cassell isn't.

With Brady, you'll see 18 straight passes called. With Cassell, it was all about managing the game and running the ball a lot. You won't score as many points - but it's a lot easier on the defense.

If Cassell doesn't work at qb - let Moss get under center and run the option.

TheSpyder 09-09-2008 05:17 PM

Picked up Cassell in my fantasy league as soon as Brady went down. Since I picked last this is a huge score for me. Imagine the guy that took Brady (5th) in the draft. Ha Ha Ha Ha.

I think he'll produce some big numbers as long as he plays.

Spyder
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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Tom Brady's 2007 qb rating (117.2) <--- best season ever by an NFL qb.

Matt Cassell's week #1 QB rating (116)

Tom Brady's week #1 QB rating (83.9)


Obviously Brady's 578 pass attempts in '07 was slightly more than Cassell's 18 pass attempts in week #1. But he's managed to about keep that otherworldly pace so far.

I saw Cassell in the preseason - and I thought he was awful.. but that won't matter because guys will be open - huge mismatches will be there to exploit - and when that isn't the case...just fling a deep ball up to Moss and you are just as likely to get a huge play or defensive pass interference as you are an incompletion. Interceptions are VERY rare because the DB's are fixated on getting the best position they can and not playing the ball. Most refs don't call push offs either if Db's don't make an effort for playing the ball.

Basically - the Pats are far from done. Cassell hasn't started since high school and he might need a few weeks to get it together - but that offense will still be one of the three best in the NFL.

The biggest difference between Brady and Cassell in a Moss offense is that Brady is trusted and Cassell isn't.

With Brady, you'll see 18 straight passes called. With Cassell, it was all about managing the game and running the ball a lot. You won't score as many points - but it's a lot easier on the defense.

If Cassell doesn't work at qb - let Moss get under center and run the option.


The Indomitable DrugS 09-10-2008 02:09 AM

After Matt Cassell is finished this year - NFL scouts will start viewing starting qb expierience at the Collegiate level as a bad thing.

Expect scouts to start scouring supermarkets, 7-11's, and car dealerships to find good ole high school qb's who never got a shot in college or at college.

I backed up Mike Glass on a 7th Grade Football team that went 6-0 and won by a 15 point or so average margin of victory. I believe he made it as a linebacker at California University of Pennsylvania.

If a coach was really clever - they'd take a flyer on me as an undrafted free agent.

GPK 09-10-2008 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
After Matt Cassell is finished this year - NFL scouts will start viewing starting qb expierience at the Collegiate level as a bad thing.

Expect scouts to start scouring supermarkets, 7-11's, and car dealerships to find good ole high school qb's who never got a shot in college or at college.

I backed up Mike Glass on a 7th Grade Football team that went 6-0 and won by a 15 point or so average margin of victory. I believe he made it as a linebacker at California University of Pennsylvania.

If a coach was really clever - they'd take a flyer on me as an undrafted free agent.


^^Thinks he is the second coming of "Snake" Stabler

The Indomitable DrugS 09-10-2008 09:57 AM

^
Wishes he was the force in 7th grade football that I was.

GPK 09-10-2008 05:41 PM

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^
Wishes he was the force in 7th grade football that I was.


Dude...I was so small in 7th grade, I could have still play pee-wee league.

Bigsmc 09-10-2008 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Dude...I am so small, I could still play pee-wee league.

FTFY

GPK 09-10-2008 06:52 PM

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FTFY


Wow...that took about 45 minutes longer than I thought before someone would do that:wf

hope you and the girls are well:tro:

Bigsmc 09-10-2008 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Wow...that took about 45 minutes longer than I thought before someone would do that:wf

hope you and the girls are well:tro:

Just got home from open house at their school or I would've got to it sooner.

They are doing great thanks for asking.

GPK 09-10-2008 07:37 PM

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Just got home from open house at their school or I would've got to it sooner.

They are doing great thanks for asking.


Good to hear. Give em all my best.

pgardn 09-10-2008 07:43 PM

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Good to hear. Give em all my best.

He most certainly will not.
Keep the daughters away.;)

King Glorious 09-11-2008 08:04 AM

Moss led Randall Cunningham to an MVP and the Vikings scored the most points in league history. Moss led Daunte Culpepper to one of the statistically finest seasons in league history and first-team all league. Moss led Brady, a sure first ballot hall of famer already, to arguably the finest season ever for a qb and his first MVP award and the Pats broke the Vikings scoring record. Now, I'm not saying this guy is anywhere near the calibur of those guys or that he'll come anywhere near achieving what they did. But with Moss there, he's got a serious weapon at his disposal and if he's at least good, the Pats will be ok. They don't need him to be great. I still think they win the division at the very least.

GPK 09-11-2008 08:09 AM

Moss = Black Jesus

dalakhani 09-11-2008 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Moss = Black Jesus

Moss=black chuck norris

GPK 09-11-2008 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Moss=black chuck norris


Randy Moss doesn't do push ups....he pushes down the earth.

ninetoone 09-11-2008 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GPK
Randy Moss doesn't do push ups....he pushes down the earth.

Randy Moss once played 18 holes of golf using a 12 inch strip of rebar and a sun dried tomato. He shot a 54.

dalakhani 09-11-2008 10:11 AM

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Randy Moss doesn't do push ups....he pushes down the earth.

When Randy Moss excersises, the machine gets stronger.

GPK 09-11-2008 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
When Randy Moss excersises, the machine gets stronger.

:wf

GPK 09-14-2008 03:47 PM

Welker is gonna clearly make this Cassel kid an All-Pro QB:tro:

ateamstupid 09-14-2008 05:52 PM

Your boy Moss really had a hell of a game today. How many more weeks until he quits on Cassel? Cornrowed p ussy.

GPK 09-14-2008 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Your boy Moss really had a hell of a game today. How many more weeks until he quits on Cassel? Cornrowed p ussy.


LOL..

Joe, how long before he starts begging for Dante to come out of retirement??:eek:

golfer 09-14-2008 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Your boy Moss really had a hell of a game today. How many more weeks until he quits on Cassel? Cornrowed p ussy.

Moss basically invisible, yet they still couldn't beat the Pats. Penalties were a bit one sided, that offensive pass interference call was iffy, but they just made too many mistakes.The good new is Super Bowls are not won in week 2.

ateamstupid 09-14-2008 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by golfer
Moss basically invisible, yet they still couldn't beat the Pats. Penalties were a bit one sided, that offensive pass interference call was iffy, but they just made too many mistakes.The good new is Super Bowls are not won in week 2.

1 penalty for 5 yards on the Pats. O-Line didn't protect well enough today either. Like you said, it's still early. Hats off to the cheaters this week, but I think we'll only get better from here.

And that's Ruger Relle Revis MAKING Moss invisible. Soon enough, people will have to take notice that #24 can play.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-14-2008 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Your boy Moss really had a hell of a game today. How many more weeks until he quits on Cassel? Cornrowed p ussy.

Moss did fine and has never cared about stats.

Cassell missed him for a Touchdown on one play - big deal - the game was in hand.

The Jets messed up doubling Moss virtually every play - he missed practice all week and was playing hurt.

The underneath stuff was open all game and Cassell took care of the wide open high percentage passes I could have made.

The Pats led wire-to-wire and won in hand with nursing the lead throughout. People like you who need to see fantasy football stats to think someone played well - wait until the Patriots fall behind in a game early - than you will see them.

When you have a qb making his first lifetime start - and Moss playing hurt - you don't start firing deep balls and forcing into double coverage when guys are open underneath and you are ahead.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-14-2008 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GPK
LOL..

Joe, how long before he starts begging for Dante to come out of retirement??:eek:

Duante would have tried to force the ball - and would have fumbled away about two of the sacks.

Tarvais Jackson is a much better qb than Culpepper ever was.

ateamstupid 09-14-2008 08:04 PM

LOL, Ruger Relle shut down Moss. No ifs ands or buts. Twist it however you want brotha. I don't really do too many funerals but I gotta go to his. :D

The Indomitable DrugS 09-14-2008 08:15 PM

Yeah - the same way the Jaguars shut down in Moss in the Playoffs last year when he didn't catch a ball and Brady went 29-for-31 passing. Moss wasn't even playing hurt that day.

Look - I know the one-sided loss must have hurt as a Jet fan - if Moss not having a big fantasy football day is a moral victory - the Jets aren't contenders.

And - you can pretend Moss didn't burn that corner on the play he broke off his route and had an easy td if Cassell didn't badly underthrow him.

Would Brady have made the throw? Yes. Would Cassell have made it 7 times out of 10? Yes. He didn't make it - but the encouraging thing was he saw it. Moss broke off his route on his own.

The Patriots defense is so much better off without Brady - and the silly throw every down playcalling.

dalakhani 09-14-2008 08:20 PM

[quote=The Indomitable DrugS]Moss did fine and has never cared about stats.
WHAT???????

ateamstupid 09-14-2008 08:22 PM

DrugS, he's gonna give up on Cassel real soon and you know it. @ SF, @ SD, vs. DEN, vs. STL, @ IND, vs. BUF, you're telling me Moss is going to be cool with 2 receptions for 22 yards every week while Cassel 'gets adjusted'? Cassel sucks, and your homeboy is a notorious quitter. When they lose 3-4 out of the next six, your boy will have moved on. Bottom line is #24 forced that cornrowed sissy into irrelevance today, though the rest of the team played well, and against San Diego, Denver, Indianapolis and Buffalo, that fairweather bitch is going to resort back to his old half-assed ways. Welker can have his 5-6 yard gains, without Brady and Maroney, teams know that Moss is inconsequential.

GBBob 09-14-2008 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Duante would have tried to force the ball - and would have fumbled away about two of the sacks.

Tarvais Jackson is a much better qb than Culpepper ever was.



There is no way to prove this point either way, but that statement is a stretch even for the President of the Culpepper Sucks fan club

The Indomitable DrugS 09-15-2008 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
you're telling me Moss is going to be cool with 2 receptions for 22 yards every week while Cassel 'gets adjusted'?

Moss would rather have no catches for 0 yards and win comfy than have 10 catches for 200 yards and be in a tight game or lose.

I've watched everyone of his NFL games and his college games - and I watch him on every play to the best the camera angle will allow.

In the past - he gets pissed when the ball is forced to him when he's covered. Or he gets pissed when he breaks off of a route and the qb doesn't notice it and throws it in the vacinity of where his original route was going.

When he is not getting along with his qb - he will shut down to a walk when he thinks he's covered. You'll see him in a half trot with a corner and safety froze. It's his way of telling the qb to not waste anytime looking at him on the play.

There is probably no reciever in the history of football who wants the ball less than Moss does.

http://news.bostonherald.com/sports/...position=rated

The Indomitable DrugS 09-15-2008 09:33 AM

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There is no way to prove this point either way, but that statement is a stretch even for the President of the Culpepper Sucks fan club

Tavaris Jackson or whatever his name is - he might not be very accurate - but he doesn't seem to single handedly lose games with mistakes.

GPK 09-15-2008 10:51 AM

I wonder what Black Jesus or Black Chuck Norris excuse was yesterday when he dropped the deep ball that hit him in the hands?

Cliff Branch would have caught that pass:tro:

The Indomitable DrugS 09-15-2008 11:14 AM

That wasn't an easy catch because the ball was badly underthrown and he had to stop in full stride and come back to the ball while the beat defender was sprinting towards him.

A healthy Moss makes that play every time though.

He didn't participate in all but one day of practise last week. Do you really think they'd keep him out of practise if he was healthy? He hasn't worked with Matt Cassell much at all - and it would have been a perfect time for them to get in sync.

I realize Moss wasn't listed on the injury report - but Bellichek is notoriously dishonest with his injury report anyway. Moss was in discomfort after his TD catch in week 1. And he had 1 pass thrown at him in the 2nd half of the Chiefs game and 3 passes thrown at him against the Jets.

He's had 4 passes thrown at him in the last 6 quarters of football...and Matt Cassell is completing over 70% of his passes.

In Cassell's final start in high school - he was 3-for-11 passing in a losing effort. Let him take advantage of all the big mis matches in coverage underneath - and if the defense wants to change their coverage to take away the easy stuff - they either have to leave Moss one on one or compromise their pass rush.

The Pats are going to have a great year! The schedule is soft and the much needed bye week comes early.

GPK 09-15-2008 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
That wasn't an easy catch because the ball was badly underthrown and he had to stop in full stride and come back to the ball while the beat defender was sprinting towards him.

A healthy Moss makes that play every time though.

He didn't participate in all but one day of practise last week. Do you really think they'd keep him out of practise if he was healthy? He hasn't worked with Matt Cassell much at all - and it would have been a perfect time for them to get in sync.

I realize Moss wasn't listed on the injury report - but Bellichek is notoriously dishonest with his injury report anyway. Moss was in discomfort after his TD catch in week 1. And he had 1 pass thrown at him in the 2nd half of the Chiefs game and 3 passes thrown at him against the Jets.

He's had 4 passes thrown at him in the last 6 quarters of football...and Matt Cassell is completing over 70% of his passes.

In Cassell's final start in high school - he was 3-for-11 passing in a losing effort. Let him take advantage of all the big mis matches in coverage underneath - and if the defense wants to change their coverage to take away the easy stuff - they either have to leave Moss one on one or compromise their pass rush.

The Pats are going to have a great year! The schedule is soft and the much needed bye week comes early.


Yeah...I agree, the ball was underthrown, but the ball still got to Moss before the defender did. It hit him right in the numbers...no excuse for failing to catch it....injury or no injury.


How did your final high school start go DrugS?:rolleyes:

The Indomitable DrugS 09-15-2008 11:40 AM

We got beat about 62-6 by Bob Sanders team. He was the best high school running back I've ever seen. I was shocked when they had him playing defense instead of rb at Iowa.

The #2 rb on that Sanders team was 1st team all-state the next year and started as a true freshman at Pitt. The wide reciever on that team, Hinkle, was an all Big 10 WR and punt returner at Iowa. There was also a 2-way lineman on that team that started on the O-line for the Penn State team that won the Orange Bowl a few years ago.

GPK 09-15-2008 11:43 AM

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We got beat about 62-6 by Bob Sanders team. He was the best high school running back I've ever seen. I was shocked when they had him playing defense instead of rb at Iowa.

The #2 rb on that Sanders team was 1st team all-state the next year and started as a true freshman at Pitt. The wide reciever on that team, Hinkle, was an all Big 10 WR and punt returner at Iowa. There was also a 2-way lineman on that team that started on the O-line for the Penn State team that won the Orange Bowl a few years ago.

:wf

The Indomitable DrugS 09-15-2008 12:32 PM

Just pencil the Pats in for another super bowl ring.

The Indomitable DrugS 09-15-2008 12:44 PM

Exactly.


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