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GBBob 09-08-2008 12:15 PM

Keeneland Sale
 
Still very early in Day 1, but no 7 figure sales yet..Giant's Causeway for $850K topper so far. Pales to the 2.4 Million yearling already on the board this time last year

hrfan 09-08-2008 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Still very early in Day 1, but no 7 figure sales yet..Giant's Causeway for $850K topper so far. Pales to the 2.4 Million yearling already on the board this time last year

who bought the Giant ?

blackthroatedwind 09-08-2008 12:21 PM

Isn't the better question when did they buy it?

GBBob 09-08-2008 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hrfan
who bought the Giant ?

John Warren, Agent 850,000
Hill 'n' Dale Sales Agency, Agent for Swettenham Stud

Plus the site just updated...a couple of 7 figures now on there

http://ww2.keeneland.com/sales/Lists/Sale/results.aspx

Kasept 09-08-2008 12:24 PM

Couple of breakthroughs.. Ferguson grabs an Unbridled's Song for $1.7MM and Sikura buys back a Storm Cat for $1.2MM...


0056 CH .F. Unbridled's Song -- Silken Cat
Taylor Made Sales Agency, Agent for Aaron and Marie Jones

John Ferguson 1,700,000


0068 DB/BR.F. Storm Cat -- Starrer
Hill 'n' Dale Sales Agency, Agent

Hill n Dale Bloodstock, Agent 1,200,000

hoovesupsideyourhead 09-08-2008 12:26 PM

haskin on hrtv..this am at the sale

blackthroatedwind 09-08-2008 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept


0068 DB/BR.F. Storm Cat -- Starrer
Hill 'n' Dale Sales Agency, Agent

Hill n Dale Bloodstock, Agent 1,200,000


Bred to dump her rider in a Grade 1.

philcski 09-08-2008 12:41 PM

I'd like to know the culprit on this naming:

0005 DB/BR.F. Ghostzapper -- Oh Nellie Morning Wood Farm 185,000
Four Star Sales, Agent

I laughed.

philcski 09-08-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Bred to dump her rider in a Grade 1.

2001 CCA right? Was the heavy favorite if I remember correctly.

blackthroatedwind 09-08-2008 12:46 PM

With Chris McCarron I think.

philcski 09-08-2008 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
With Chris McCarron I think.

The filly who set the pace in that race had hip #85 in here by Mr Greeley, sold for $300k.

magic_idol 09-08-2008 12:50 PM

what are the smarty's going for ?,Yearling sales i take it ?,Anyone seen his foals on the ground, Just wondering how they look:confused:

philcski 09-08-2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by magic_idol
what are the smarty's going for ?,Yearling sales i take it ?,Anyone seen his foals on the ground, Just wondering how they look:confused:

about the same as last year... $150k-$300k. his 2YO's have been good so far. 3 debut winners and 4 total winners from 7 runners.

TheSpyder 09-08-2008 12:55 PM

You can watch for yourself....http://ww2.keeneland.com/sales/frames/livecoverage.aspx
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Originally Posted by magic_idol
what are the smarty's going for ?,Yearling sales i take it ?,Anyone seen his foals on the ground, Just wondering how they look:confused:


Linny 09-08-2008 01:11 PM

Azeri's baby went for $7.7mil.

Several from the Courtly Dee family (mares like Aishah, Aurora, Altesse etc) including one for $1.7m, by Empire Maker.

magic_idol 09-08-2008 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder

Thanx just watched a tale of the cat 135 go i can see it was turned out from the knee from here;) insane price it went for:eek:

Merlinsky 09-08-2008 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Azeri's baby went for $7.7mil.

Several from the Courtly Dee family (mares like Aishah, Aurora, Altesse etc) including one for $1.7m, by Empire Maker.

Actually Azeri's colt was a buy back. It's the most expensive one in Keeneland sale history. http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/article/46970.htm I wanna see a picture of him. How close did they get to the reserve? They acted like he looks pretty good. Will they keep him or is this gonna be a private sale kind of deal?

magic_idol 09-08-2008 01:51 PM

What insane prices:eek: :zz: ,There must be no poor people in America!!!!

Linny 09-08-2008 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Actually Azeri's colt was a buy back. It's the most expensive one in Keeneland sale history. http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/article/46970.htm I wanna see a picture of him. How close did they get to the reserve? They acted like he looks pretty good. Will they keep him or is this gonna be a private sale kind of deal?

I was only 1/2 listening but suspected he was RNA when they did a review of his fabulous pedigree when the bidding slowed at over $7m. Sounded like they were trying to put him over the $8m threshold.

magic_idol 09-08-2008 02:02 PM

Auctioneer sounds like ELVIS:D

philcski 09-08-2008 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny
Azeri's baby went for $7.7mil.

Several from the Courtly Dee family (mares like Aishah, Aurora, Altesse etc) including one for $1.7m, by Empire Maker.

:zz:

hrfan 09-08-2008 04:10 PM

Any Rock Hard Tens ?

PSH 09-08-2008 04:11 PM

Top End of Market Remains Strong
 
No real surprise that the top end of the yearling market remains strong....
Just a continuation of what we saw at Saratoga in August.
The fifteen or so buyers that dominate the high end market are obviously not affected by what is going on in the real world for the rest of us folk...

So, no real need to show up at the sale until Book 3 or Book 4 this coming weekend. Hopefully, and one would suspect, with 5500 yearlings to be auctioned that there will be bargains to be found at that point in the sale onward.

PSH

GBBob 09-08-2008 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PSH
No real surprise that the top end of the yearling market remains strong....
Just a continuation of what we saw at Saratoga in August.
The fifteen or so buyers that dominate the high end market are obviously not affected by what is going on in the real world for the rest of us folk...

So, no real need to show up at the sale until Book 3 or Book 4 this coming weekend. Hopefully, and one would suspect, with 5500 yearlings to be auctioned that there will be bargains to be found at that point in the sale onward.

PSH

Agreed..top and bottom should be about the same, but hoping to find some value in the middle

Cannon Shell 09-08-2008 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Agreed..top and bottom should be about the same, but hoping to find some value in the middle

I actually think this sale is way off as compared to previous years. The number of RNA's is seemingly relatively low considering the prices are pretty soft. Several consignors told me that this was going to be way worse than they expected. I think tomorrows book may be a little stronger horses but there were not nearly as many buyers there as usual. It is a strong buyers market.

Cannon Shell 09-08-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Actually Azeri's colt was a buy back. It's the most expensive one in Keeneland sale history. http://auctions.bloodhorse.com/article/46970.htm I wanna see a picture of him. How close did they get to the reserve? They acted like he looks pretty good. Will they keep him or is this gonna be a private sale kind of deal?

I doubt were real bids on this horse. People who would bid $7.6 million would know what it was going to take to buy the horse. I dont think they had any intention of selling this horse.

ELA 09-08-2008 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I doubt were real bids on this horse. People who would bid $7.6 million would know what it was going to take to buy the horse. I dont think they had any intention of selling this horse.

I agree. You could just tell from the bidding that there wasn't a lot of play here. I wouldn't be shocked if someone said there was a live bid or two after $7m, but this very easily could have been a "valuation" play. At this level, I think there are only 2 players -- besides the owner -- maybe a third and that would be a longshot new player (think new hubby, LOL), but I doubt it.

I think, regardless of the RNA #'s, the sale will be down substantially. A boutique sale like the Spa has consignors "standing their ground" so to speak. This sale tends to have a different dynamic. With 5500 horses being sold, the "faces in the crowd" are in much more abundance. I don't know the RNA #'s yet, and I haven't looked at the first session #'s either, but I think this year's first session had less horses for sale -- maybe 10%.

Eric

ELA 09-08-2008 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GBBob
Agreed..top and bottom should be about the same, but hoping to find some value in the middle

Everyone seemed to be concerned about the so called "bottom" and that the middle might weaken. If the top remains the same, the trickle down effect has to occur. The people in the 100 to 300 marketplace are the real buyers and that market has softened. At the Spa, you had real trouble selling horses under 100 -- strictly due to sellers expectations. That should change here.

Eric

Cannon Shell 09-08-2008 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA
I agree. You could just tell from the bidding that there wasn't a lot of play here. I wouldn't be shocked if someone said there was a live bid or two after $7m, but this very easily could have been a "valuation" play. At this level, I think there are only 2 players -- besides the owner -- maybe a third and that would be a longshot new player (think new hubby, LOL), but I doubt it.

I think, regardless of the RNA #'s, the sale will be down substantially. A boutique sale like the Spa has consignors "standing their ground" so to speak. This sale tends to have a different dynamic. With 5500 horses being sold, the "faces in the crowd" are in much more abundance. I don't know the RNA #'s yet, and I haven't looked at the first session #'s either, but I think this year's first session had less horses for sale -- maybe 10%.

Eric

The final numbers were the avg was off $30k and the median stayed the same. The gross was off $11 million with far fewer sold than last year. There were lots of RNA's that would have dragged the avg down even more. I suppose one could argue that the Azeri horse could have made up a large chunk of the deficit but the guy was simply pricing his horse and trolling for a partner, i doubt there was any intention to let him go.

ELA 09-08-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I actually think this sale is way off as compared to previous years. The number of RNA's is seemingly relatively low considering the prices are pretty soft. Several consignors told me that this was going to be way worse than they expected. I think tomorrows book may be a little stronger horses but there were not nearly as many buyers there as usual. It is a strong buyers market.

BTW, not sure if there were any that "slipped through the cracks" so to speak. There certainly doesn't seem to be as many buyers -- but that could also be a function of the sellers side of the market. As we know, at the Spa, there were buyers for horses under 100 -- there just weren't sellers.

Eric

Cannon Shell 09-08-2008 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA
Everyone seemed to be concerned about the so called "bottom" and that the middle might weaken. If the top remains the same, the trickle down effect has to occur. The people in the 100 to 300 marketplace are the real buyers and that market has softened. At the Spa, you had real trouble selling horses under 100 -- strictly due to sellers expectations. That should change here.

Eric

It would be a boon for buyers and the trickle down effect would be that breeders have less cash to spend on stud fees and cheaper mares which could lead to lesser mares being taken out of circulation and stud fees being reduced. Which would be a positive for everyone except stallion owners.

Cannon Shell 09-08-2008 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA
BTW, not sure if there were any that "slipped through the cracks" so to speak. There certainly doesn't seem to be as many buyers -- but that could also be a function of the sellers side of the market. As we know, at the Spa, there were buyers for horses under 100 -- there just weren't sellers.

Eric

Only fools like me hover around on the first day looking for horses in book 1 that are less than 100k and have both lungs still intact..

ELA 09-08-2008 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The final numbers were the avg was off $30k and the median stayed the same. The gross was off $11 million with far fewer sold than last year. There were lots of RNA's that would have dragged the avg down even more. I suppose one could argue that the Azeri horse could have made up a large chunk of the deficit but the guy was simply pricing his horse and trolling for a partner, i doubt there was any intention to let him go.

Median means little to nothing here. $11m is a big # to be off, but how many is far fewer? If we are talking about 10 to 20 horses, than it's a huge # perhaps. I guess it depends on who is looking at it and how you are looking at it.

I agree that the the RNA's would bring the # down and yes, the arguement could be made that the Azeri yearling could have been a "large chunk" -- but in reality it is not. There was no seller so the final # is the final #. It couldn't have been that large a chunk based upon his expectation, want price, etc. It could only be based upon what the last live bid was at.

Thanks for the comments.

Eric

ELA 09-08-2008 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Only fools like me hover around on the first day looking for horses in book 1 that are less than 100k and have both lungs still intact..

LOL. The slipped through the crack horse(s) might not be under a 100, LOL. Who knows? We can all talk about it next year at the Spa.

Eric

Cannon Shell 09-08-2008 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ELA
LOL. The slipped through the crack horse(s) might not be under a 100, LOL. Who knows? We can all talk about it next year at the Spa.

Eric

If we all survive till then!!!

Cannon Shell 09-08-2008 05:50 PM

Foreign buyers purchased roughly 1/3rd of the ones sold by my unofficial count.

Riot 09-08-2008 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I'd like to know the culprit on this naming:

0005 DB/BR.F. Ghostzapper -- Oh Nellie Morning Wood Farm 185,000
Four Star Sales, Agent

I laughed.

That's Baffert :rolleyes:

Riot 09-08-2008 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I dont think they had any intention of selling this horse.

Ditto - and isn't that bull? He said the last live bid was 7.5 mil, he went 7.7, but the colt is described as an RNA? And he is working on "partners" so he can be part of racing him?

Bah.

And I just realized Keeneland wouldn't care, as don't they still get their commission?

Cannon Shell 09-08-2008 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Ditto - and isn't that bull? He said the last live bid was 7.5 mil, he went 7.7, but the colt is described as an RNA? And he is working on "partners" so he can be part of racing him?

Bah.

And I just realized Keeneland wouldn't care, as don't they still get their commission?

yeah there was a "mystery" buyer at $7.5 million. Sure there was... Keeneland does get a commission though I'm sure they will take a less than usual considering the circumstances

ELA 09-08-2008 06:48 PM

BTW, interestingly enough, according to reports -- the RNA's were up from 24% to 29%.

Eric


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