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boldruler 07-29-2006 11:24 AM

Hurricane Run wins
 
Looks like the big guy got it done. "Electrocutionist stayed on gamely for second, with Japanese challenger Heart's Cry the same distance away in third."


If you want to see a great race you can watch it here. no need to register, just click on race of the day. It is european racing and you have to be patient, but the stretch run is worth it.

http://www.attheraces.com/sectionhom...0nav&nav=video

TitanSooner 07-29-2006 12:14 PM

WOW!

That horse is a BEAST.

brockguy 07-29-2006 02:46 PM

could be going to the BC also.. he is some horse, but still has to beat Deep Impact!

Scurlogue Champ 07-29-2006 03:25 PM

That horse can't beat Deep Impact in my opinion....

Electrocutionist is a tough son of a gun also, did you see him lift when Heart's Cry got past him?

somerfrost 07-29-2006 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodwalker
That horse can't beat Deep Impact in my opinion....

Electrocutionist is a tough son of a gun also, did you see him lift when Heart's Cry got past him?

What a race by the winner!!! Obviously some questionable "team work" employed against him...he had as much trouble as any winner I've seen lately and was obviously much the best! I hope this guy shows up BC day...a great looking animal!!

miraja2 07-29-2006 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodwalker
That horse can't beat Deep Impact in my opinion....

Electrocutionist is a tough son of a gun also, did you see him lift when Heart's Cry got past him?

Pretty Amazing that the horse was odds-on in a race that included the only horse to ever beat Deep Impact (Heart's Cry), AND the winner of the Dubai World Cup (Electrocutionist). I guess they were right though, as this horse was extremely impressive.
What do you mean he "can't beat Deep Impact?" I am not sure who would win if those two brilliantly talented horses squared off, but I think HR certainly COULD win. Heart's Cry has beaten Deep Impact and HR is better than Heart's Cry, so I definitely think he would have a chance.
As a Sunday Silence fan however, I would be cheering for Deep Impact.

Scurlogue Champ 07-30-2006 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Pretty Amazing that the horse was odds-on in a race that included the only horse to ever beat Deep Impact (Heart's Cry), AND the winner of the Dubai World Cup (Electrocutionist). I guess they were right though, as this horse was extremely impressive.
What do you mean he "can't beat Deep Impact?" I am not sure who would win if those two brilliantly talented horses squared off, but I think HR certainly COULD win. Heart's Cry has beaten Deep Impact and HR is better than Heart's Cry, so I definitely think he would have a chance.
As a Sunday Silence fan however, I would be cheering for Deep Impact.

It was just my opinion.

I don't think Hurricane Run can beat Deep Impact...period

If they both run in the Arc, I think Deep Impact gets him by open lengths.

eurobounce 07-30-2006 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moodwalker
It was just my opinion.

I don't think Hurricane Run can beat Deep Impact...period

If they both run in the Arc, I think Deep Impact gets him by open lengths.

Define open legnths? I mean winning by 1 1/2 lengths is open lengths. Deep Impact is good and so is Hurrican Run and Electrocutionist and so is Hearts Cry. You could race those 4 agaisnt each other 20 times and each would win 3-5 times. I would to see all of those in the ARC. But it was a great race today.

1st_Saturday_in_May 07-30-2006 01:05 AM

Deep Impact will face real competition for the first time in the Arc - should be nice to see how he fares. I'll take a seasoned Hurricane Run any day over him for now though...

Scurlogue Champ 07-30-2006 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
Define open legnths? I mean winning by 1 1/2 lengths is open lengths. Deep Impact is good and so is Hurrican Run and Electrocutionist and so is Hearts Cry. You could race those 4 agaisnt each other 20 times and each would win 3-5 times. I would to see all of those in the ARC. But it was a great race today.

I think Deep Impact will win the Arc by 3+ lengths....no matter who comes to run against him

miraja2 07-30-2006 08:50 AM

Wow it is soooo hard to know for sure. All of these horses are so talented, that if they all make it to the race healthy, it will be EXTREMELY interesting. I can't remember too many times that a horse as flat-out great as Electrocutionist will likely be no better than the third choice! I mean this horse won the richest race in the world, has won 8 out of 12 lifetime, has never finished off the board, and the only horses to beat him have names like Shirocco, Ouija Board, and Hurricane Run. Yet he is probably not one of the best two horses in the race!! Damn. The Arc is shaping up to be the definite race of the year this year.

jpops757 07-30-2006 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Wow it is soooo hard to know for sure. All of these horses are so talented, that if they all make it to the race healthy, it will be EXTREMELY interesting. I can't remember too many times that a horse as flat-out great as Electrocutionist will likely be no better than the third choice! I mean this horse won the richest race in the world, has won 8 out of 12 lifetime, has never finished off the board, and the only horses to beat him have names like Shirocco, Ouija Board, and Hurricane Run. Yet he is probably not one of the best two horses in the race!! Damn. The Arc is shaping up to be the definite race of the year this year.

Was as good a race as you will see the top horses all performed and it was a battle to the wire. All are threats for #1.

Pointg5 07-31-2006 09:35 AM

I thought that race looked awful, they were staggering home...

I really think the US Turf horses will drill the Euro's this year, English Channel would have beaten all of those...

boldruler 07-31-2006 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Pointg5
I thought that race looked awful, they were staggering home...

I really think the US Turf horses will drill the Euro's this year, English Channel would have beaten all of those...

Can I have some of what you are smoking. The B-team euros could beat EC and Cacique going 12F.

pgardn 07-31-2006 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointg5
I thought that race looked awful, they were staggering home...

I really think the US Turf horses will drill the Euro's this year, English Channel would have beaten all of those...

No friggin way. This was the race of the year so far. Get O. Board, and Deep Impact in there and you got something better than any BC race.

ArlJim78 07-31-2006 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointg5
I thought that race looked awful, they were staggering home...

I really think the US Turf horses will drill the Euro's this year, English Channel would have beaten all of those...

If EC would have been in the King George race he would have battled mightily..for fourth.

eurobounce 07-31-2006 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointg5
I thought that race looked awful, they were staggering home...

I really think the US Turf horses will drill the Euro's this year, English Channel would have beaten all of those...

Dude you are freaking dreaming. English Channel would get crushed by Erio's top turf horses. But Electrocutionist is not going in the ARC. He is beign pointed towards the Breeders Cup Classic.

Pointg5 07-31-2006 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by boldruler
Can I have some of what you are smoking. The B-team euros could beat EC and Cacique going 12F.

Not smoking anything, that race looked bad for top class horses...

Just because they are Euro's does not make them better...

Pointg5 07-31-2006 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by pgardn
No friggin way. This was the race of the year so far. Get O. Board, and Deep Impact in there and you got something better than any BC race.

Look how they were moving at the end, no acceleration, except one staggered better than the others...

slotdirt 07-31-2006 09:50 AM

The only thing I'd ask is for someone to let the track announcer know the proper way to pronounce "hurricane."

eurobounce 07-31-2006 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointg5
Not smoking anything, that race looked bad for top class horses...

Just because they are Euro's does not make them better...

The fact they they are the three best turf horses in the word makes them top class horses. English Channel would be 30-1 in a race including those horses.

boldruler 07-31-2006 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointg5
Look how they were moving at the end, no acceleration, except one staggered better than the others...

You are crazy. The winner was a beast. EC will have his hands full with the two three year olds in america, the top 3 from the Kings George and Deep Impact are currently in a league of their own.

boldruler 07-31-2006 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
The fact they they are the three best turf horses in the word makes them top class horses. English Channel would be 30-1 in a race including those horses.

Probably 8-1, but still not a likely winner. Those horses are just incredible physical specimens.

pgardn 07-31-2006 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointg5
Look how they were moving at the end, no acceleration, except one staggered better than the others...

Most horses in most races are SLOWING DOWN the last furlong. When they pass one another its usually because they are not slowing down as rapidly as the others.

The way Hurricane run won that race was as hard as it gets. He did find a bit of luck that Electrocutionist started to push out a bit on Hearts Cry while the rabbit died in the appropriate spot. But that was it. The horse was completely bottled up and had enough left. It was an amazing race by anyones standards.

irishtrekker 07-31-2006 09:53 AM

Good luck with that! My favorite over here so far has to be the way a BBC anchor pronounced Syracuse (something along the lines of "Si-ryuh-cuze." Then again, half of what I say sounds ridiculous to friends here. Just chalk it up to endearing linguistic differences. :)

eurobounce 07-31-2006 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointg5
Look how they were moving at the end, no acceleration, except one staggered better than the others...

NO ACCELERATION--lol. Jesus, do you know anything about turf racing in Europe, do you know anything about these three horses? Look at the split in times and then tell me there was no acceleration.

eurobounce 07-31-2006 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boldruler
Probably 8-1, but still not a likely winner. Those horses are just incredible physical specimens.

8-1, you are crazy too.

slotdirt 07-31-2006 09:57 AM

I would suggest hurricane is a good old fashioned Yank word as well. Least they could do is pronounce it properly! I will boycott spending a dime on the horse until hurricane is said with a good old Yankee accent.

Pointg5 07-31-2006 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
Most horses in most races are SLOWING DOWN the last furlong. When they pass one another its usually because they are not slowing down as rapidly as the others.

The way Hurricane run won that race was as hard as it gets. He did find a bit of luck that Electrocutionist started to push out a bit on Hearts Cry while the rabbit died in the appropriate spot. But that was it. The horse was completely bottled up and had enough left. It was an amazing race by anyones standards.


Not in Turf racing, they are usually flying at the end, completely different animal than dirt racing, where it's speed, speed, speed...

In Europe they gallop and then lay it down coming home, they didn't look good to me coming home, it's my opinion...

Sorry if I don't bow down to the notion that European horses are always better...

boldruler 07-31-2006 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by eurobounce
8-1, you are crazy too.

Give the horse some respect. He leads the BC Turf points and will probably be 8-1 at the longest. I just don't see him beating them. I would take Showing Up and Go Between and their upside before I took any of the older american horses which all seem to be very good but nothing special. The liklihood is that only one or two of the big euros come over anyway.

1st_Saturday_in_May 07-31-2006 10:04 AM

8/1?!?! Come on. Those pompous Europeans arent going to bet any American horse that low on their own turf. When Hard Buck ran 2nd to Doyen in the Queen Elizabeth he was 33/1 and I'd guess English Channel to be about 20/1

Pointg5 07-31-2006 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eurobounce
NO ACCELERATION--lol. Jesus, do you know anything about turf racing in Europe, do you know anything about these three horses? Look at the split in times and then tell me there was no acceleration.


Watch how they are moving at the end...

And I caution you to put lol at the end, you have said some dumb things lately that I have let pass, I will lay the smack down next time you get out of line....

eurobounce 07-31-2006 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pointg5
Watch how they are moving at the end...

And I caution you to put lol at the end, you have said some dumb things lately that I have let pass, I will lay the smack down next time you get out of line....

What have I said that you have passed. Again, look at the splits and then come back to me.

eurobounce 07-31-2006 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boldruler
Give the horse some respect. He leads the BC Turf points and will probably be 8-1 at the longest. I just don't see him beating them. I would take Showing Up and Go Between and their upside before I took any of the older american horses which all seem to be very good but nothing special. The liklihood is that only one or two of the big euros come over anyway.

I give EC all the respect in the world. But no way he is 8-1 in a race where those three are present. If you have a 12 horse field those three would be in single digit odds and the rest double digit odds. I would take Better Talk Now before I would EC.


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