Iavarone afraid ?
 

Why cant Mike Iavarone just admit he is afraid to race vs Curlin in a REAL dirt race. He knows Curlin is dirt horse and not a turf or Poly horse, so he is keeping BB away from dirt. So now he wants a match race which would give BB a HUGE advantage. Why not just run in The Clark Hdcp at CD which is a Grade I with a 500k Purse in a race with OTHER horses. If BB is a great horse like they believe then run him in a real race on the dirt. Not as some side-show act on NBC at halftime of a ND game.



SARATOGA SPRINGS - Seabiscuit vs. War Admiral, the sequel? Everyone has been calling for a showdown between Big Brown and Curlin, and yesterday, appearing on the morning OTB TV show, Michael Iavarone of IEAH Stable proposed a match race between the two colts, to take place after the Breeders' Cup. Before the Belmont, Iavarone was dead-set against a match race, but since then, he said privately, his research has revealed they are not inherently dangerous; "and besides, our horse will be in front by 10."

His idea envisioned the race being held at Churchill Downs during half-time of a Notre Dame football game, with IEAH and Jess Jackson, Curlin's owner, each putting up $2 million, winner take all. The last day of Churchill's fall meet is Sat., Nov. 29, but the Notre Dame-USC game that day does not begin until 8 p.m. eastern. No response yet from the Curlin camp.

Well that got me fired up.

Next Iavarone will challenge Curlins camp to a race where Curlin is connected to a sulky carrying Rosie O'Donnell while BB runs without a jockey.

Here Come The Irish!

This is probably pretty obvious, but I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact that he represents an organization that feels (rightfully so) that they have absolutely nothing to gain an everything to lose. What if, hypothetically, he freaks and beats Curlin? Does anyone really think BB is better??!! Not hardly. Of course if he loses, he'll be relegated to "tallest pygmy" status in a year that was exceptionally light in talent, thus negatively impacting his initial fee. It's a lose - lose for IEAH.

Like the coach....dislike the program though. It has been rather entertaining watching them flop the last few years.

Actually it's the complete opposite. For breeding purposes he has zero to lose. If he loses to Curlin does not effect his fee for breeding. He isnt expected to beat Curlin. But..if he wins the fee will move up substantially. Iavarone is just chickens#it. He has NOTHING to lose by running vs Curlin.

The fact is BB was all out in The Haskell to beat a horse that really isnt any good. Ivarone knows deep down that his horse would get crushed in a dirt race vs Curlin.

Curlin is in a different world then big brown, Big Brown would not get close to Curlin, Curlin wins for fun

I couldnt agree more. The only shot he would have MIGHT be in a match race where maybe Kent D could slow the horse down enough to hold on. That being said...it's Kent Desormeaux...would probably go out in the first quarter in 21 and change.

BB added another G1 to his resume in the Haskell. 5 years from now no one will remember who he beat or how much he beat them by or how crappy the field was, especially if he turns out to be a serviceable stallion. Considering both horses will be entering stud service the same year, and that BB has no chance at beating Curlin, he has nothing to gain by racing Curlin. You call it chickesh!t, it call it managing a business. C'est la vie.

Actions speak louder than words.

I am sorry.....but going around saying that "We have the best horse...I dont understand why people think Curlin is a good horse....etc" then ducking Curlin is the exact definition of chiceknsh#t. Dutrow and these guys are talking a big game, but are terrified to race Curlin in a real race.

Beating a horse of the quality of Curlin WILL help his value. Not sure why you cant comprehend that. When he goes to the breeding shed yes he will have a bunch of GRade I's...but people in the business will remember that he beat the worst crop of 3 yr olds in decades...if not ever.

I'm quite sick of the attention they're getting. BOTH sides. They don't run their horses enough to talk smack. These horses and their owners are pussies and I have no interest in watching them face one another.

One race isn't going to mean jack and s.hit. Real athletes compete against one another all of the time. Horse racing's top athletes are about as interesting as Men's Doubles Table Tennis bronze medal match. WGAS.

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Talk is cheap. Why would you take anything these connections say seriously?
Forgone Conclusion. LOL

They are full of sh#t. No doubt.


Would just love to see that fat pig Dutrow's excuse when Curlin beats Little Brown by 15 lengths.

Dream on. It's not going to happen.

Why would they run Big Brown against Curlin? He can't beat him and he already has four Grade 1 wins on dirt. So they will run him on turf and synthetic and if he runs big in both of those it will increase his value tremendously.


Bown's next two races are worth millions to the owners. Why would they give it away by trying to beat a horse they know they cannot beat?

How is the next race worth millions to them? When an non graded turf stakes race doesn't mean much, unless they have something in the contract where if they win a 500k turf stakes they get so-so. I understand what winning the BCC does? but this turf race is garbage

I agree BB cant beat him. But then why does Iavarone suggest a match race? Thats the whole purpose of this thread. Iavarone is chickensh#t and knows BB cant beat Curlin on dirt in a real race. Thats why he suggested a type of race that he might have .000000000000001 % chance of winning vs Curlin.

By the way...how is his next race at MTH worth Millions to the connections? It's a made up non-graded set up race.


According to pig face Dutrow his horse can beat Curlin......

Don't you think a turf race is a good prep (and far better than a dirt prep) for racing on synthetic? Seems a very logical thing to me ...

Garbage or otherwise, if he wins on the turf he'd be a 4x G1 winner, dual classic winner and a turf stakes winner. That will make him more attractive as a turf sire, no matter who he beats.

What's more attractive? Making him more valuable winning a turf stakes or sending him to slaughter vs Curlin?

Of course they're ducking and talking empty trash. But when did you start believing what trainers and owners say?

From what I remember reading, they sold 20-25% of him to 3 Chimneys for $10 Million. So they've got to enhance or maintain whatever residual value he has. Other than beating or running a tight 2nd to Curlin, it's not going to happen on dirt.

I'll say there's no reason for you to call Dutrow a name like that. Look at what he has accomplish after a rough life. look at his grade 1 wins purse money, etc.. Do you know him personally? If not they statment is out of line.
Sure he is loud big mouth, boastful, however he does back up most of his talk with performances he gets out of his horses. Why is there so much hate for a man that nobody on the website even knows personally.

One more thing, the owners want to know one thing and care about one thing
in a trainer, SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, Bruce. Sums up the point I was (poorly) trying to make.

I'll say there's no reason for you to defend Dutrow. Look at what he has done that led to his rough life. Look at his multiple medication violations, suspensions, etc. Do you know him personally? If not, you're out of line.

He is a loud big mouth, boastful, but then turns yellow when Curlin and Congress comes-a-callin'. Why is there so much love for a man that nobody on the website even knows personally?

Good post.

And Steve Asmussen is a saint? This is ri-goddamn-diculous how the majority of this board hates on Team Brown and sucks the balls of Team Curlin.

FIrst of all I do not know him personally. secondly if you think all the other big time trainers like Asmussen Pletcher, etc do not cheat and use illegal drugs and don't get suspensions (Amussen) then your head is in the sand. I have nothing wrong with someone disliking a trainer and saying so , it's their right. But to call a man a fat pig is for 12 yr old juveniles not a adult man. i just hate to see this forum turn into a grade school foul mouth name calling
site. Let's agree to disagree but name calling? Let's have a little more class than this.

Lesser of two evils in this situation. Mainly I just think it's funny how defensive the guy got about Dutrow.

All you guys are hard core racing fans. Are you going to alter your day to make sure you'll be able to watch Big Brown face a few stiffs in on the second Saturday of September?

There's no reason for you to call Steve Asmussen a name like that. Do you know him personally? If not, you shouldn't be talking about him on a racing message board.

Yes

I don't know about you, but it takes a lot of effort to walk from my computer to the TV.

Are you calling me an ostrich?

Do I even know you?

Asmussen would clearly be devastated knowing Pillow
gave him a keyboard smiting.

For a horse that has won five out of six Grade 1 races including the Derby and Preakness, how is this horse so disrespected by some of you? If you want to disrespect Big Brown's connections, I get that, but this has been a very good quality horse for us to enjoy this year.

Since the Preakness (5-0), he gets so much blustering on here. Here's what happened since then:

How about a pass on The Belmont? Gimme a break. Third race in five weeks and who knows why he didn't show up, just speculation. But it wasn't the same Big Brown. You don't think he would normally beat Da'Tara a horse that finished the Florida Derby when Big Brown was a zipcode past the finish line?

And then there was The Haskell that hardly any on here give him credit for. His chasing down Coal Play to win is very similar to Affirmed chasing the front running Sensitive Prince in the last 100 yards in the Jim Dandy that Laz Barrera considered one of Affirmed's finest efforts. Big Brown did the same thing and gets little credit.


Memo to Big Brown Bashers........."Give it a rest."

lol a little exercise might take care of that problem

OOPS! now you got me calling people names. I 'm sorry. lol;) ;)

Rough life????

Puleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeea se.

The guy is the son of a great horsemen and had a shot to follow in his footsteps. Not too many get the luxury to be brought up and learn from a guy like Dick Dutrow. Rick was a degenrate gambler/drug addict who got that "rough life" all on his own. He has nobody to blame but himself for his pitfalls.

The guy has ZERO respect for others in the game...he has ripped Assmussen...David Carroll....what he did in The Whitney yrs ago to make sure St Liam won was ridiculous. Gary Contessa, who I am not a fan of, said it perfectly "At a time when he could be doing something good for the sport, he is doing the exact opposite". This was mentioned during the whole steroid talk when Dutrow was suppose to go in front of Congress.

What does knowing him personally have to do with anything? All you have to do is listen to him and follow along to know what he is all about.

LULZ.

You're right. He's probably had a hard life.