russia vs georgia
 

can't help but wonder if it says anything about us as a group, three pages about john 'kerry' having an affair, but nothing posted as yet about the soviet un....er, i mean russia invading georgia.
in a nutshell, a mess over there, and even if we were willing, we are unable to do a thing about it.
should a breakaway province succeed is one thing, a nation being invaded by its larger neighbor is another.

true

Some say Georgia had it coming. They are accused of ethnic cleansing

oh as a side note

the area is crawling with natural gas and oil

A major pipeline running through the middle of a pro-western govt.. I'm not sure of all the details, but wasn't there a part of GA. that wanted to rejoin the Russians?

We sure are good at securing allies that turn out to be pretty big douchebags, first we ally with the Taliban, then the Iraqis, now this.

when did georgia get u.a.v technoligy.well they are less 1 of them..

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=40d_1208815277

It doesn't say anything about anyone except that one involves a US politician that may have been the next Attorney General and the other is none of the business of the US. The US needs to stop getting involved in the events of other countries. The US acts like it is better than these countries but just did the exact same thing to a country in the middle east for their natural resources. What is going on in Georgia is all about natural resources, nothing more.

we were never allies of the Taliban

We armed and trained them, what is really the difference?

you know who worked for the u.s..in the fight vs the red menace..then strange enough when he and the t ban booted the russians out of afganistan..he wanted to help us..we told him to **** off..

i think a lot of this is still some of the residuals of the cold war, and our foreign policy based on 'if the ussr is for it, we're against it'.

as for the taliban...it's my understand that bin laden and his ilk only looked at us as a necessary evil to rid their country of the russians, and then of course they would deal with us...which is essentially what happened.

and yeah, part of georgia wants to break away. georgia wants to be in nato. same old stuff from 30 years ago.

very interesting article.

Putin has is carrying a huge chip on his shoulder for
the Russian people. Another great job at assessing
personalities ("I can do business with this man") by GW.

Seems they are playing bad guy (Putin) good guy (Medvedev).
Hopefully this is Russia flexing muscles and leaving. If not...
Expect for Poland, Ukraine, etc... to be listed on the fast track
for NATO membership.

btw, i meant us as in the message board-that none of us had mentioned it-not us as in the country. was not saying we should get in the midst of it, that obviously can't and won't happen.

Pretty interesting how the U.S. was quiet as a church mouse while Georgia was going into South Ossetian areas and killing people and tearing down neighborhoods but the second Russia goes into Georgia, the U.S. is quick to condemn the Russians. What Georgia was doing wasn't effecting Western oil supplies. What Russia is doing possibly could. Sounds kinda like how we didn't do anything while Saddam was killing Kurds but the second he went into Kuwait, he was a murderer that had to be stopped.

LOL. This is so true that you are bound to get ripped to shreds. Enjoy.

Some say the Russians set that up(they baited the GEORGIANS to come in) so they could invade like they have done. Who knows? It ain't like Russians tell the truth very often. So, why would you believe them so quickly? Regardless, they have no justification for going into Georgia. Georgia went into one of their own break away areas(South Ossetia.) It's an area with both ethnic Russians n' Ethnic Georgians. Obviously, each ethnic group will lie n' say the other is trying to kill them. They didn't go into Russia. Russia shouldn't have gone into Georgia, and they will get punished economically for doing it. Turks are weighing in:

http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/Ne...0Deepen%20Ties

Turks always think the Russians want to invade them. They think that about everybody who isn't Turk, but they really think it about the Russians.They want the Russians to stay the hell away from those pipelines carrying natural gas /crude oil etc. thru Georgia, and Eastern Turkey. Truth be known, there are no "good guys" in this area of the world. Turks, Georgians, Russians, Kurds, Serbs, etc. etc. are mainly savages that would kill each other given the chance to get away with it.

Not really, I already called the Georgians douchebags and no one responded. I think (or at least hope) that everyone realizes the Georgians are as big douchebags in this as anyone.

This is bigger than Georgia being douche bags.

Check out how Armenia, The Urkraine, etc. feel... just a bit nervous? This is calculated muscle flexing. And the Russians have not yet made any serious signs of moving out. With all the oil they have and all the farmland they still have to import beef..., they cant successfully raise their own with very good pasture land in a number of areas. Their food commodities infrastructure is in horrible shape. So its time for a little fun distraction from internal problems. This is a country that could be very wealthy if they had any sort of real business not bullied or coerced by the government. If you want to be rich in Russia, you dont cross Putin in any way. If he says remove that revealing tidbit from the TV best get it done. Putin would love the old Soviet States
returned.

Hopefully they move out soon.
Point well taken: Dont fool with ethnic Russians in Georgia on the border.
Please leave.
And WTF are they doing attacking Abkhazia as well ??? nothing was going on there at all...

low hanging fruit.

this whole episode was their invasion of grenada.

we need better allies. georgia got played. i like the part where the georgian's went in after the russian negotiator said he couldn't meet to discuss the situation in s ossentia because of a flat tire. and his spare was flat too.

classic.

Big pullout of foreign investors in Russian markets.
They say their military pullout is completed. Which
basically means the two areas in dispute are now Russian.

This should be interesting. Did Putin intend for some more
economic problems to further the sleeper hold he has on
his country... or does this make them more likely to negotiate
and is just short term...

Wacky stuff.

If you think that this has anything to do with ethnic cleansing or believe georgia has done something that encouraged the russians to invade you really dont understand that part of the world or dont read the news very well. Putin IS putting the old USSR back together. He has already turned the govt into a puppet govt, has invited western oil investment and research and then seized the russian companies that worked with them, putting the owners in jail and kicking the western companies out. They are spending like crazy on revamping their military and Russia has lots of money not to mention a semi-alliance with Iran. They have been rattling the cages of Georgia over the pipelines for 2 years now. Control over Georgia gives them control over the lifeblood of much of eastern europes energy supplies. They dont have to occupy the entire country to be able to exert extreme pressure. The Russians have already put the nuclear card on the table in regards to Poland installing the US missle defense system. THEY HAVE SAID PUBICALLY THAT THEY WILL USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS ON ANOTHER COUNTRY IF IT DOESNT DO WHAT THEY DESIRE!!! So if you believe that the Georgians are bad people or that the Russians are the good guys or somehow justified in this fight, you just go ahead and believe that.


http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article...cle_id=2372768


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...n-Georgia.html

I will tell you what is wacky....

The battle injury this Georgia dude suffered....





Imagine having to walk around with a bloody Cun+ on your pec.

Nice touch with the caps.

USC has too many athletes and they will man handle Russia if the two ever meet.

USC has jock itch...

They are a cinch to win the national title.

Who told you this? Bobby Frankel's imaginary friend?

You will now be required to pay for my
undigested dinner.

Good heavens...

i don't think either georgians or russians are unusually good or bad.

i think georgians have been poorly served by their leadership. i'm not sure how georgia taking the bait and sending troops into s ossentia (a region where russian troops were serving as peacekeepers under an internationally recognized mandate) isn't "encouraging the russians to invade you".

we promised gorbachev we wouldn't expand nato into eastern europe in exchange for soviet acquiescence to german reunification. after that we invite ukraine and georgia to apply.

i don't know why anyone is shocked the russians are pissed and swinging a big dick in everyone's face.

what's shocking was the lack of any sense of realpolitik in tblisi.

Putin fooled GW also.

All that time playing "the man he could do business with" and
Putin is probably just seething having to play GW without any
brute force recourse.

Throwing the Western Oil companies out is pure stupidity.
Venezuela already failed with this trick. Russia's oil production will
now deteriorate slowly but surely.

This is really a confusing situation. Unless Putin is trying to slash
and burn his own country to gain some sort of despotic control.

I am shocked at the way they are going about it.

you don't think it could be worse?

they didn't occupy the capital when little stopped them.

there are no legitimate reports of any genocide on either side. they sent in their better, more experienced troops and not the conscripts.

they wanted to humiliate the georgians, not destroy them.

i look at this as a carefully planned and measured response.

as opposed to say...iraq.

All GW was doing was giving the guy public respect which leaders tend to do. That means nothing except to the looney talk radio guys.

Putin is KGB dont forget. He invited the westerners in to steal their technology and let them do the dirty work in drastically updating the Russian gas and oil production. It costs billions to locate and extract oil and gas and after the systems were set up he threw the west out and took over the Russian companies and threw their execs in jail. He got exactly what he needed. They have plenty of money now and with the US seemingly reeling economically and with its military stretched he is striking while he has the advantage. Anything that Georgia did or didnt do is semantics, a good excuse to flex muscles and bait the West (us). The Russian general's quotes were released by the Russian controlled papers which tells you that Putin wanted it said in another muscle flexing move. The chances that they use nukes against poland are remote but the message is clear. Dont fck with us, we are going to make some moves that will piss everybody off but we have nukes and will make things ugly unless you back down.

You can swing a dick without further ruin to the economy.

I am surprised Putin did not learn some lessons about running
a country. This is a country in very bad shape. They have
nothing but oil to stand on. They cant feed their own people with their own food, their infrastructure mess has accelerated. Democracy was not working
well for them. But now... I guess they have their pride back and a much crappier military. Sort of scary.

I dont believe this was all. I looked into his eyes????
Bush looked into his eyes and saw the mans soul? There is
no need for this extreme language. He misjudged yet another
person. GW has been absolutely horrendous at picking people
to trust.

I dont think GW picked Putin, he played the hand he was dealt. Honestly didnt you ever take political science? Almost everything top pols say in public are scripted, usually by a strgetist. What was he going to say? I really dont trust this dude? He has nukes but lets insult him? it is all just noise, not real words.

Their economy will be doing really well once they completely control the supply of gas and oil to Europe and Asia

you don't really think "i looked into his eyes and got a sense of his soul" was scripted, do you?

that was pure unleashed gw.

things that sound awkward and stupid aren't what the expert's suggest.

No he did not.

Well then GW picked people to help him speak... no more needs
to be said on this. Bad.

He did not need to look into his soul to evaluate him
and let the world know.

If they wish to become a the world's version of Saudi Arabia.
Import everything. Export one thing.