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Kasept 08-11-2008 03:30 AM

8/13 (SAR): Adirondack S. (Gr. II)
 
9th (5:30) Adirondack S. (G2)

6 1/2 Furlongs | Fillies | 2 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Dorothy's Essense Sanchez J 118 L
2 Bold Union Elliott S 122 L
3 Doremifasollatido Coa E M 118 L
4 Simplify Bridgmohan S X 118 L
5 Golden Artemis Velasquez C 118 L
6 Garden District Velazquez J R 122 L
7 Pretty Prolific Leparoux J R 118 L
8 Mani Bhavan Garcia Alan 118 L

Hickory Hill Hoff 08-11-2008 07:56 AM

Nobody from the Schuylerville....

hockey2315 08-11-2008 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Nobody from the Schuylerville....

That's a good thing. . .

VOL JACK 08-12-2008 10:43 AM

These races are crapshoots. I may take a swing with Pretty Prolific, at a price.

hockey2315 08-12-2008 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
These races are crapshoots. I may take a swing with Pretty Prolific, at a price.

I'm interested in that one as well. . .

NoLuvForPletch 08-12-2008 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK
These races are crapshoots. I may take a swing with Pretty Prolific, at a price.

If Doremifasollatido is close to her 8-1 morning line, which I am sure she won't be (right Andy?), I'm taking a big swing.

otisotisotis 08-12-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
If Doremifasollatido is close to her 8-1 morning line, which I am sure she won't be (right Andy?), I'm taking a big swing.

ditto

Rudeboyelvis 08-12-2008 06:09 PM

Gotta agree w/ Pretty Prolific at a price of 8-1 or better to include, but Bold Union looks pretty near unbeatable and if 5-2 hold up (which I seriously doubt), will make for a nice race from a wagering perspective

docicu3 08-12-2008 06:16 PM

I am not convinced that Dorothy's Essence #1 couldn't steal this at a massive price given how she ran her last. The extra distance may be to her liking by how she closed in her last two.

Nothing like breaking your maiden in a grade 2. 30-1 is quite foolish...

Mike 08-12-2008 08:19 PM

I'm with the Do Re Mi Fa Sol La Ti Do crowd

Danzig 08-12-2008 08:45 PM

garden district worth a look, but i'll go with the filly who ran behind her in their last, simplify.

hoovesupsideyourhead 08-12-2008 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
Gotta agree w/ Pretty Prolific at a price of 8-1 or better to include, but Bold Union looks pretty near unbeatable and if 5-2 hold up (which I seriously doubt), will make for a nice race from a wagering perspective

thats what i come up with also rude/hockey

ateamstupid 08-12-2008 09:58 PM

I don't understand the Doremifasollatido infatuation.

NoLuvForPletch 08-12-2008 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I don't understand the Doremifasollatido infatuation.

Maybe it's just me but I like a 2YO filly that can jog in 57 and 1...

ateamstupid 08-12-2008 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
Maybe it's just me but I like a 2YO filly that can jog in 57 and 1...

I think she was up on a slow pace over a speed-favoring track and looked good beating NY-bred nothings. May be wrong, but unless she's 10-1 or better, I'm not interested.

EDIT: I guess Akilina's OK. I'm going to cover with Doremifasollatido, I just don't think she'll provide any value.

hrfan 08-13-2008 05:08 AM

garden district might be the play in here, at a decent price for those connections

NoLuvForPletch 08-13-2008 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I think she was up on a slow pace over a speed-favoring track and looked good beating NY-bred nothings. May be wrong, but unless she's 10-1 or better, I'm not interested.

EDIT: I guess Akilina's OK. I'm going to cover with Doremifasollatido, I just don't think she'll provide any value.

That's why I said if she "is close to her M/L 8-1".

CSC 08-13-2008 11:18 AM

I bet Simplify in her first stakes try and thought she could have been ridden more aggressively, she ran an encouraging race behind Garden District. She'll probably be the third choice today at around 4-1. At that price I like her today.

blackthroatedwind 08-13-2008 07:37 PM

The third finisher will easily prove the best of this bunch.

hoovesupsideyourhead 08-13-2008 07:46 PM

agreed

Rudeboyelvis 08-13-2008 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
agreed

It's going to be interesting to see how well these Lion Heart's hold up. They're certainly hard to leave off a ticket...

ateamstupid 08-13-2008 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis
It's going to be interesting to see how well these Lion Heart's hold up. They're certainly hard to leave off a ticket...

As are the Candy Rides.. Yikes.

Rudeboyelvis 08-13-2008 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
As are the Candy Rides.. Yikes.

Candy Ride is sick... He only covered about 2/3rds of the mares that Lion Heart did, and the early results are staggering... I'd like to see what he does with a full book :eek:

miraja2 08-13-2008 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
The third finisher will easily prove the best of this bunch.

I'm not saying that I disagree, but just out of curiosity, what makes you say that? True, that was a nice run she put in down the stretch today after a stumble at the start, and both the debut race and the pedigree are certainly nice....but what makes you so confident that she'll end up better than today's winner?
From what we have seen from Mani Bhavan so far, is there really very much to knock?

the_fat_man 08-13-2008 09:56 PM

The answer is in the headon replay.

blackthroatedwind 08-13-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
The answer is in the headon replay.


Thank you.

VOL JACK 08-13-2008 10:57 PM

Pretty Proliic capped what was a dreadful day for myself at the windows.

Had a nice exacta with the 8.

Dont think anyone will confuse J Lep with P Val getting a speed horse out the gate.

miraja2 08-13-2008 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
The answer is in the headon replay.

I see that she stumbled at the start, was moved to the rail where she made up some ground, then bounced to the outside and put in a good late run. I'm not trying to dispute that she is a promising filly or that she had a bit of a trip in the race, but I was just trying to figure out why btw would say that she will "easily prove the best of this bunch."
Both her and the winner now have two lifetime starts. Based on those races, I know that I personally don't see a reason to be COMPLETELY convinced that Pretty Profilic is definitely going to be better than Mani Bhavan. She very well could be, I'm just wondering why all of you guys are so convinced of it based on one race where the "other" horse won so easily.

blackthroatedwind 08-14-2008 08:31 AM

I hope you didn't watch the head on.....as she had a far more eventful trip than that.

CSC 08-14-2008 09:42 AM

I got this race all wrong, instictively I was wondering when Alan Garcia decided to ride a Klesaris over a Mclaughlin horse the horse must be live.

miraja2 08-14-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I hope you didn't watch the head on.....as she had a far more eventful trip than that.

Again, I'm not trying to dispute that she had a tough trip. I realize that in addition to the trouble she had at the start and in the opening strides, she also appeared to get cut off down the lane, and had to angle out while still gaining ground.
I see all of those things as reasons why she might be a good bet next out. The part that puzzled me a bit was why you and hooves both believed you could say that she will easily prove better than the winner.

I realize that Mani Bhavan had an ideal trip in this race while Pretty Prolific had a bad one, and so MB should have been able to win easily....but she actually DID win easily. She ran a lot faster in the opening quarter and the opening half than Out of Gwedda and Shone did in the previous race, and those two fell apart completely to finish off the board. Meanwhile, she pulled away in the stretch.
Pretty Prolific's late angle out and acceleration was no doubt impressive, but the horses like Simplify and Garden District that she passed looked totally spent to me.
I'm not trying to say that you guys are wrong, I'm just wondering what you see that I don't. Does the fact that she had a bad trip really mean she will easily prove to be the best when she was that far behind at the end? Sure, Mani Bhavan isn't actually 7+ lenghts better than Pretty Prolific at this distance, but I don't see how anyone can say much more than that at this point.

miraja2 09-06-2008 05:28 PM

Update

Mani Bhaven: Won Spinaway
Pretty Prolific: Never threatened and was beaten ten lengths while finishing sixth in the Washington Lassie

blackthroatedwind 09-06-2008 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by miraja2
Update

Mani Bhaven: Won Spinaway
Pretty Prolific: Never threatened and was beaten ten lengths while finishing sixth in the Washington Lassie


On Polytrack.

Only helps her price if they come to their senses and run her in the Frizette.

miraja2 09-07-2008 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
On Polytrack.

Only helps her price if they come to their senses and run her in the Frizette.

I agree with you there, and I found the polytrack choice a bit odd with her in the first place, (although she was one that I used in the race) but I suspect a return to dirt will be in order now.
The fact that the BC is on synthetic this year seemed to lead to one of the better Lassie fields here in recent memory, and the Futurity next week will probably be the same.


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