Two could be heavy favorites on Saturday - play against
 

Lady of Venice and Bernadini

I just had a chance to look at the sheets and here is what I thought

Bernadini: Ran huge for a 3 year old and exploded through his would be top to run another top. Ministier Bid has run huge in two starts and I think he has a huge shot to run a BIGGER number then Bernadini's top, consider MB alot

Lady of Venice: Her stablemate Angara is going to get ignored here by everyone but the sheet players. If you average out the weight they run about same number, and this being said, you get Jara, who people still don't fully bet like they do others, plus double the odds of Lady Venice, I am ALL IN on Angara, ALL IN....

I like betting against Lady more then I do Bernadini but I think both are beatable tomorrow.

One of those two might not run, depending on the heat.

Thanks for the singles....:) :D :cool:

LOL Mace....I hope both run because I am most definetely unloading on Angara and considering Minister's right.....

I agree w/ you on Ministers Bid as it looks like he's the only one with a shot of beating Bernardini, but still think Bernardini looks tough. Angara isnt Lady of Venice's stablemate, she was bought in November by the Sangsters and is now trained by Bill Mott. Upgrade her chances if the course come up wet, but dont think she stands much of chance vs LoV, she's cutting back in distance and has bounced everytime she's ran a '5', which she ran in her prior race. LoV has run consecutive '4-'s, gets 1st Lasix and has had 6 weeks since her last start,plus she's eligible to move forward in only her 6th career start. LoV walks over this field.

Thanks for the info! :D

Oh, my bad on the Angara, that being said, I LIKE HER EVEN MORE with Mott as the trainer..RUBBERBAND TIME

Good luck to you, but I can't see LoV here. Up in class, against older and I don't see the kind of pace here she had last race. Maybe she wins at a short number but she won't be passing the likes of Precious Kitten and J'Ray here. I'll be on My Typhoon at 6-1+. Again, good luck.

I don't see any way Bernardini gets beat; I don't get why MB is getting all this play when he's completely unproven

Where did you hear Tom Albetrani say that? Shoot!!:mad:

Ministers Bid is the only horse with upside. All the others have already proven what they are and none could beat Bernardini. I suspect MB isn't beating him either. 95 degree heat though might play a role in this one.

They didn't say he wasn't running, they just are worried about the heat. 95 degrees expected tomorrow. Personally I would just run him in the Haskell. More money and just a weak of a field is expected.

Winning the Haskell or winning the Travers?

Which one would you choose?

Anyone with a brain would choose the Travers....That is why Bern is running in the Dandy, they can care less about this race, just a tightener

I was all set to think of Lady of Venice as a single today based upon a very impressive performance in the Regret. However after looking over the PP's last night and in view of her M/L odds of 2:1, it looks like she is definitely going to be over bet. She gets a nice weight break but the step up in class looks to be perhaps too steep. She's young and talented and might get the job done but I'll be going wider here including also Angara, Sweet Talker, and My Typhoon.

On the other hand, I can not make a case against Bernardini. He looks like a low priced lock if he shows up.

The Haskell is next weekend. The Travers three weeks after it. Plenty of time to win them both.

It was said the only way Angara runs is if the turf is soft

Soft = Angara runs My Typhoon and ?? Scratches

Firm = My Typhoon and ?? runs and Angara scratches

So watch for at least one of these horses to be scratched for the race!!!!!!!!

Exactly. If they got cooler weather, he might be better off racing next weekend anyway. Running in 95 degree heat isn't exactly easy on a horse. I rather run on the Jersey Shore and get cooler weather and 3 weeks rest than 95 degree heat and 4 weeks rest. More money, Grade 1, not grade 2 like the Jim Dandy.

If Roman Ruler can do it I think Bernardini could handle it.

You obviously KNOW LESS then you come across.

DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THEY WOULD RUN BACK IN THE TRAVERS AFTER 20 DAYS....it is ok to do that with claiming horses but you don't do that with horses like Bernadini..

For a guy that like Tagg and applauds him skipping that race at Colonial, this is an amazing comment...

you might be on to something here iwth Typhoon, She has a favorable sheet also and has run just as fast as Angara

1) Roman Ruler did it and last I checked the derby and preakness were 2 weeks apart and the Preakness and Belmont 3 weeks.

2) Showing Up had a reaction to a panalog injection and had to skip the race. Tagg just didn't make that public knowledge. SU wasn't tired, the trainer was just looking out for him. Tagg is like a lot of trainers, they don't lie, but they don't tell you everything either. The race wasn't winning him the Eclipse anyway. The Secretariat, Turf Classic, BC Turf plan is much better anyway without the VA Derby thrown in there.

Roman Ruler didn't win the Travers, he did win the Haskell....Would you rather WIN the Travers, a more prestigious race then the Haskell, or win the stupid Haskell and then run a tiring 3rd/4th in the Travers...No thank you with the Haskell. The only thing Monmouth is good for is turf racing

Tagg will not go to the BC Turf with this horse REGARDLESS of what he does in the other races. He isn't going to try and take on Euro's best, along with horses like English Channel and Cacique....

Showing Up will win the Secretariat for fun, unless he acts like Funny Cide in the heat, I plan on singling him on every possible ticket that I have going with that race.....I don't care if King Cugat comes back to run in the race.

Scav, you gonna bring back "The Sequence?"

No, I SUCK...I am not bringing back the sequence until I get back to normal

thanks, good luck to you as well.. i like my typhoon and she looks like she's sitting on a big race. i dont think LoV needs that fast of a pace as the Appalachian stakes' pace was slow and she still ran a faster 6F on the same day at churchill than my typhoon. regardless, should be a great betting race. my bet, in addition to the p4, will have LoV over My typhoon keyed on top of my tri's.

Nah, you're gonna get hot and we need The Sequence. If I posted up something like that it would be "The Logic of Illogic."

Thanks for telling me what they are doing with Showing Up. I will be sure to tell that to Tagg at Arlington. ;) I guess Bill Finley was just making up his article in the NYT too. Not only will Showing Up go to the BC Turf, but he might be one of the favorites after his Turf Classic win.

Showing Up is the real deal. Nobody has seen anything from him yet. There is a lot more in the tank with that horse. I still don't think he has Barbaro talent on the grass, but some close to him do.

Here are some parts of the article on Showing Up in the NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/18/sp...=1&oref=slogin

Change to the Turf Offers Horse a Chance to Show Off

By BILL FINLEY
Published: July 18, 2006


“Everybody who gets on him says he’s as good a horse as they’ve ever sat on,” said Showing Up’s trainer, Barclay Tagg, also the trainer of Funny Cide, the 2003 Kentucky Derby and Preakness winner. “The jockey thinks he’s a super horse. I’m a guarded person and I don’t like to get too excited, but he’s done everything we’ve asked of him.”

Tagg said that Barbaro deserved to be the 3-year-old champion, an award usually given to a dirt horse, but he added that Showing Up could be named the male turf champion.

With that goal in mind, he has mapped out a schedule that consists of the Secretariat Stakes on Aug. 12 at Arlington Park, the Joe Hirsch Turf Classic on Oct. 7 at Belmont and the Breeders’ Cup Turf on Nov. 4 at Churchill Downs.

The Haskell to Travers is a tough turn around and taxing on a horse. Roman Ruler did it last year, but he ran horribly in the Travers,yes, the triple crown races are shortly spaced but trainers do that b/c they know they can take a break and gear back up (hopefully) for the late summer/fall races and Breeders Cup.

I sense the hottness coming. I am playing tomorrow, putting some chedda into Pinny. you are going to around or gone tomorrow?

1) are you coming to Arlington?

2) At that point, there is no other race to put a turf router besides that race, but I don't think he will go, water will be too deep, THE BC Classic will be easier this year then the BC Turf

How In The Hell Do I Go From Friggin Del Mar To Woodbine As My Track Moniker, Who Is Making These Rankings?

and I just found out that you can't do all caps, and when you do all caps it comes up above

Doesn't matter. A 95 degree day with humidity is harder on a horse than 3 weeks rest. I would gamble and take a chance with next weeks weather. Don't be surprised if one or two in the JD field do the same.

I think you can be 100% sure that Bright One will be running on three weeks rest in the Travers. WV Derby is next weekend.

it will be even hotter at Monmouth

It says 80 next week. Saratoga isn't usually this bad. It is just this heatwave. I just think grade 1's are grade 1's. Why run in a grade 2 when you have a grade 1 with $500K more. I doubt they are avoiding Strong Contender. There is nothing else to beat except SC and BGC.

Bright One will run in the Travers, but he also didnt make his first start until Memorial day weekend. He didnt run in the Withers and Preakness vs graded stakes horses. totally different situation.

I have to disagree with the assessment that Monmouth is only good for turf racing, especially when referring to the Haskell. What the heck is wrong with the Haskell? It's probably one of the seven or eight most prestigious races for 3yo's in the country!

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DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THEY WOULD RUN BACK IN THE TRAVERS AFTER 20 DAYS....it is ok to do that with claiming horses but you don't do that with horses like Bernadini..QUOTE]

This astonishes me. Just because a horse runs in stakes races doesn't mean that it doesn't need prep races coming off of a layoff. Good God, you are grousing about 20 days between races? That's almost TOO long for the horse to get the muscular-skeletal remodeling he needs for the next step up in performance. It wasn't until these trainers started saying their babies were too fragile to run two weeks apart to leg them up for a top effort that we started seeing 6 and 8 career races for classic types. When they run the horses ,4,5,6,7 weeks apart, it is like they are coming off of a lay-off every start and are racing on talent alone. Sometimes talent is enough, but it often leads to unnecessary injuries along the way.

No more dirt racing for Showing Up. He is just too good on the turf.

I plan on going to Arlington for the race on the 12th, the problem is the two guys I am going with might need to be in Saratoga for a Fasig Tipton sale on Aug 12-13. I might still go anyway, but I have to be at Saratoga on the 15th when the two Strategic Mission fillies are available.

if you have a speed horse that usually only last 9 furlongs, YEAH

Monmouth is the most underrated track in america. Saratoga is obviously King, but Monmouth is really nice. The Haskell is the big leagues.

Point Given, War Emblem, Lion Heart, Touch Gold, Holy Bull.