Big Brown looked doubtful
 

I was really wondering if he was going to get Coal Play. I had a Super with Coal Play winning :mad:

That was not the same horse that made those moves in the Florida Derby or in Louisville. I have no doubts that Zenyatta woudl destroy him the way he looked today.

This was his first race off a layoff and he was clearly not at his best. I would not write him off yet, but this was not a great performance by any means.

Paul

I don't think anyone will have to write him off. Probably his last race right there.

he managed to redeem himself. but based on the race, i'd put his ass on a van to three chimneys tomorrow.

TURF ?

Maybe BB saw the cameras and wanted to give them a close up

seriously, he was all out to beat coal play. their best bet would be to appreciate the fact that he removed some of the tarnish of the belmont debacle and send him to the farm before dutrow has a heart attack.
i don't care for that guy at ALL, but for ieah to base their entire future with their trainer on one horse imo is a bunch of bullsh... big brown isn't the monster they thought he was. two more races and he's done anyway, and their is no telling how he'd handle the AWT and older horses.
if i was three chimneys, i'd be demanding the horse NOW.

they might need to invent a qtr crack so they can keep the stock from dropping - unless being unsound is a bad thing

He needed the race, and he most definitely needs a rider change. This race should set him up good for the Travers, I hope he goes in it. With a rider he gets along with.

i said in the other thread, i don't think the horse is fit. that maybe all thats wrong.

Hell Danzig It's His First Race Back From Lay-off What Did You Expect To See You've Already Got Him Pegged As Done For ' The Near Future Will Prove You Very Wrong

Dutrow said it was doubtful.....

:rolleyes:

The connections were disappointed. If you read more into than they do you're mistaken.

I think the shed awaits. I should be so lucky.

Spyder

what did the rider do wrong?
 

hey mag?what did kent do wrong?put him outside leader around 1st turn
and drafted up back side.
what possible thing could he have done better?not jockeys fault today.
i think 2 months off
might have been a lttle shy of stamina

seeing as how his trainer prefers to run horses fresh, off a layoff, i don't understand why the 'he just came off a layoff' excuse is being trotted out. dutrow said himself after the derby that he wished he had several weeks to get the horse ready for his next.

i don't think he's 'done for'-i think he showed he's not the super horse that many thought he was earlier this year, and that if they're so worried about his ability to win (thus affecting his stud fee) that now that he's redeemed himself, that it might be time for him to hang up the tack. he didn't look like the horse who won the fla derby and ky derby today. he looked very mortal, barely running down a horse who is far from the top of the 3 yo heap.

BB fired out running & KD strangles him back, again. This discourages the horse. Then he fans him good and the horse obliges, lugging out to get away from the track and from Kent.

It's very simple to see this horse doesn't like this rider. Watch the body language. They fight. BB needs a chilly, sit-still, calm type of rider, not one who acts like he has ants in his pants. The chemistry is not there between them. The trainer has known this for a long time, Ivarone needs to listen to him about this.

Big Brown looked doubtful...

:rolleyes:

Did he ask Atoned in the paddock if his new saddle made his ass look fat?

You may have seen the last of the Big Fella. These connections are never going to let him chance losing another race IMO. The Breeders Cup Classic on Poly is an automatic excuse for his connections to shy away from having his ass handed to him.

This is not the horse that won The Derby or the horse who broke from Barbaro's grave in the 12 hole at GP only to mock the competition as he cruised past all comers in a race that was over after the first half mile.

I would love to be wrong about this one but I would be shocked if he was in California this October.

big brown broke very well. shot out of the gate..but then as soon as coal play ranged up, kent didn't ease the horse back. he put the brakes on. not a smooth ride early on at all.
it's a shame that edgar was injured when this horse ran his first race. prado was supposed to have the mount, but kent got the call since edgar couldn't ride. the rest is history.

invent?? WTF

Actually, Jeremy Rose got the call when Edgar couldn't ride.

Travers? retirement?
Im glad everyone here makes the decisions for BB. Did anybody see the post race interview and then see it again another 100 times on sports center??? They said one more race before the BBC and it most likely wouldn't be Travers. Wow.

On ESPN it looked to me like KD was having some trouble getting BB to slow down and stop after the wire. Did anyone else notice this? I wondered if BB just didn't get into the race until late and then wasn't ready for it to be over when it was.

I'm not a particular BB fan (I'd say because of the connections, but as FGFan can testify, I'm a huge fan of Benny the Bull, so consistent I am not. ;) ), but I thought it was a fun race to watch and it was neat to see BB show a little bit of grit, since we haven't seen that from him before.

Think I saw a 106 Beyer for Big Brown for the Haskell, for what it is worth.

Dutrow on BB vs. Curlin - has the guantlet been thrown down?

"Curlin couldn't win the Derby, we could," Dutrow said. "Curlin couldn't win this race, we could. Curlin got beat [by] a filly. We haven't. Our horse is undefeated on the grass. Curlin isn't. I don't know why people think Curlin is such a good horse. We're way better than Curlin."

No way did he spew that nonsense. No way. This takes the cake for ridiculous Dutrow comments. What a toolbox.

here's the link found via Paulickreport.com-

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/spor...itational.html

Curlin would squash Big Brown without breaking a sweat.

Classless...even by his standards

Maybe IEAH should insist that their trainers are drug free too. It's probably easy to talk about Curlin since BB will probably be retired and not have to face him.

really?
hmm i read the article about prado making the HOF, and it made it seem he lost out due to injury, and desormeaux got the call.
oh well, not the first time i've seen a mistake in an article.

omg, you gotta be kidding me. big brown was all out to beat a horse who couldn't even win an opt claimer last time out...the whole field he beat had two, TWO graded wins between the lot of them. undefeated on grass?! lol big freaking deal, judging by the grass win he got. you can't judge his grass win vs curlins second.
this guy is delirious. or burnt. maybe both.

we're way better than curlin?? someone get this guy some help.

Dutrow and his big mouth are back....
 

Cant keep this guy down for long. Would love to see these two horses meet. Curlin would toy with him. Dutrow forgot "BB was all out to beat an average horse like coal play.....Curlin wasn't"....or "we are beating the worst 3 yr crop possibly ever....Curlin's crop wasnt".


Following the Haskell press conference, the topic of Curlin, the defending Horse of the Year, and the Breeders' Cup Classic came up. Dutrow, known for his candidness and cockiness during the Triple Crown run, gave his assessment of Curlin.

"Curlin couldn't win the Derby, we could," Dutrow said. "Curlin couldn't win [the Haskell], we could. Curlin got beat [by] a filly. We haven't. Our horse is undefeated on the grass. Curlin isn't. I don't know why people think Curlin is such a good horse. We're way better than Curlin."

i've never been that high on curlin. i think, like big brown, he's benefitting from a total lack of competition. but he'd still eat a big brown-ie for lunch.

i remember when bud delp used to ruffle feathers when he spoke of spectacular bid. 'best horse to look through a bridle'. a lot of people took umbrage at him being so brazen. but who could argue with bud delp now? (Ok, nobody since he's now resting in peace, but you get my point).


easy to say tho for dutrow, that he could beat curlin. as long as he stays in the 3 yo R ranks, he won't have to worry about proving it, will he??

i will laugh, maniacally, if somehow, some way, zenyatta goes in the classic and big brown manages to be there-and zenyatta wins. oh, the humanity!
hell, i'm laughing right now just imagining it.

The filly crack he made is pretty cute.

I think my retort would have been that BB hasn't faced a colt half as good as the filly that beat Curlin was.

ragS tO richeS waS destineD tO wiN thE belmonT stakeS. i woulD lovE tO seE zenyattA iN thE classiC.

anD i aM donE :o

Strangely, That Is Alot Less Annoying Than This Kentucky Type Font Style.

This kind of stuff is much easier to say when your horse will never face Curlin. I'd be shocked if they ever line up in the same starting gate.