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RollerDoc 08-03-2008 11:37 AM

Trying To Make Money On Big Brown Today...
 
Can somebody let me know if this is a wise betting scenario.

First and foremost, I believe BIg Brown will win the Haskell today. While there is no real money to be won on him as a 1-2 favorite, I was thinking about trying another bet.

That is to bet every possible trifecta, as long as Big Brown wins. Any thoughts?

IrishofNDMan 08-03-2008 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Can somebody let me know if this is a wise betting scenario.

First and foremost, I believe BIg Brown will win the Haskell today. While there is no real money to be won on him as a 1-2 favorite, I was thinking about trying another bet.

That is to bet every possible trifecta, as long as Big Brown wins. Any thoughts?

I think it's pretty safe to say that if you bet every trifecta possible with Big Brown on top you will def. be losing money.

santana 08-03-2008 11:41 AM

That isnt the worst play in the world.....it will cost you 30.00 for every 1.00 tri....you will need the longest shot to run second and 3rd....to make money.
good luck
Maybe try a pik 3 or 4 ?

IrishofNDMan 08-03-2008 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by santana
That isnt the worst play in the world.....it will cost you 30.00 for every 1.00 tri....you will need the longest shot to run second and 3rd....to make money.
good luck
Maybe try a pik 3 or 4 ?

It's not even close to a good play, unless you're just looking for a little action and not to make money.

RollerDoc 08-03-2008 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
I think it's pretty safe to say that if you bet every trifecta possible with Big Brown on top you will def. be losing money.


Why do you say that? If he wins, then I am guaranteed a trifecta. How is that losing money?

RollerDoc 08-03-2008 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
It's not even close to a good play, unless you're just looking for a little action and not to make money.


Again, if he wins, how is that not a good thing?

AeWingnut 08-03-2008 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Again, if he wins, how is that not a good thing?


it is not a good thing because -
if you key him on top and have to invest $30 and it pays $6 you lose. The only way to make money on the race is for Big Brown to be pulled up like he was in the Belmont.

I'm not betting the race. The field is too short and the chances of BB being beat by this group is slim

IrishofNDMan 08-03-2008 11:51 AM

It's losing money if all your bets cost $30 and you get back $18 for the trifecta.

RollerDoc 08-03-2008 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
It's losing money if all your bets cost $30 and you get back $18 for the trifecta.

$18 plus the $30 = $48 which is a net gain of $18. I am not trying to be smart, just confirming my math is correct?

IrishofNDMan 08-03-2008 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
$18 plus the $30 = $48 which is a net gain of $18. I am not trying to be smart, just confirming my math is correct?

No, lets say you bet all the tri's which I guess would be $30. You hit the bet and the trifecta pays $18. That means that out of the $30 you bet, you only get $18 of it back. So it would be a net loss of $12.00. You don't get back what the tri pays and your original bet.

ateamstupid 08-03-2008 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
$18 plus the $30 = $48 which is a net gain of $18. I am not trying to be smart, just confirming my math is correct?

*smacks forehead*

He's saying the trifecta is likely to pay around $18 TOTAL, not $18 profit. Personally, I think you're unlikely to even get your money back.

RollerDoc 08-03-2008 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by IrishofNDMan
No, lets say you bet all the tri's which I guess would be $30. You hit the bet and the trifecta pays $18. That means that out of the $30 you bet, you only get $18 of it back. So it would be a net loss of $12.00. You don't get back what the tri pays and your original bet.

Oh......then that is not a good bet. Damn I still want to root for Big Brown and get some action. I still have Derby and Preakness winnings on him to burn even though I gave back a little at the Belmont. ANY OTHER SCENARIOS AS LONG AS I CAN STILL BET BIG BROWN?

Hickory Hill Hoff 08-03-2008 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Can somebody let me know if this is a wise betting scenario.

First and foremost, I believe BIg Brown will win the Haskell today. While there is no real money to be won on him as a 1-2 favorite, I was thinking about trying another bet.

That is to bet every possible trifecta, as long as Big Brown wins. Any thoughts?

Save your money and bet him if he runs in the Travers, I'll be glad to take your money! :p

RollerDoc 08-03-2008 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff
Save your money and bet him if he runs in the Travers, I'll be glad to take your money! :p

No I have been waiting two long months to watch Big Brown atone. Something went wrong in The Belmont. He wasn't himself. I must bet him today.

AeWingnut 08-03-2008 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
No I have been waiting two long months to watch Big Brown atone. Something went wrong in The Belmont. He wasn't himself. I must bet him today.

$2 win

IrishofNDMan 08-03-2008 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
No I have been waiting two long months to watch Big Brown atone. Something went wrong in The Belmont. He wasn't himself. I must bet him today.

put $2 on him to win and call it a day.



No money to make in the race but I'm still going to play a $10 tri Big Brown with Atoned with Nistles Crunch.

Bigsmc 08-03-2008 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
I must bet him today.

If that is the way you feel, nobody can help you here.

There is a huge wagering menu out there today. Find something that you can make money on and root root root for your boy Big Brown without betting on him. There is nothing wrong with rooting for a horse without a betting interest in the race.

RollerDoc 08-03-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
$2 win

No one can help me now. I'm possessed! I'm leaving to place my bets right now. I'm spending at least $150.00 today for Big Brown winning or trifectas. I'M AN IDIOT!!!

AeWingnut 08-03-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
If that is the way you feel, nobody can help you here.

There is a huge wagering menu out there today. Find something that you can make money on and root root root for your boy Big Brown without betting on him. There is nothing wrong with rooting for a horse without a betting interest in the race.

WRONG

:D

IrishofNDMan 08-03-2008 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
No one can help me now. I'm possessed! I'm leaving to place my bets right now. I'm spending at least $150.00 today for Big Brown winning or trifectas. I'M AN IDIOT!!!

put $50 to win on Atoned just incase.

Bigsmc 08-03-2008 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
No one can help me now. I'm possessed! I'm leaving to place my bets right now. I'm spending at least $150.00 today for Big Brown winning or trifectas. I'M AN IDIOT!!!

:wf :wf :wf

:zz:

MaTH716 08-03-2008 12:18 PM

I think someone said it already, but the only way to really make money in that race would be if BB ran up the track again. If you really think that he is only going to be 1/2, just bet him to win. That could be considered a gift in itself. I personally think he will eventually be at least 1/5. Bigs is right though, they have 14 races there today, there has to be a better spot to make some cash.

skippy3481 08-03-2008 12:40 PM

Play the pick 4 and single the last. If you can get the a price in the first three legs, you'll make some money.

Slewbopper 08-03-2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
Oh......then that is not a good bet. Damn I still want to root for Big Brown and get some action. I still have Derby and Preakness winnings on him to burn even though I gave back a little at the Belmont. ANY OTHER SCENARIOS AS LONG AS I CAN STILL BET BIG BROWN?

Just play $2 to show on the whole field. For $14, you are guaranteed a $6.30 return. If the bridgejumpers are out and Brown runs out, you will do okay. He has already proven that he can throw in a clunker.

Indian Charlie 08-03-2008 12:57 PM

It's, it's like PG1985 meets Morty, all rolled up into one!

RollerDoc 08-03-2008 05:37 PM

So I ended up putting $50 on Big Brown to win and invested on a $30 trifecta on all horses as BB winning. Did I win anything?

AeWingnut 08-03-2008 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
So I ended up putting $50 on Big Brown to win and invested on a $30 trifecta on all horses as BB winning. Did I win anything?

not really.

RollerDoc 08-03-2008 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
not really.

I invested $80.00 total. Did I lose money?

AeWingnut 08-03-2008 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
I invested $80.00 total. Did I lose money?


all depends if you had to drive to the OTB or track to bet it.

;)

the dollar tri paid $32
and Big Brown paid $2.40

Danzig 08-03-2008 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
I invested $80.00 total. Did I lose money?



13th race - Monmouth Park - August 03, 2008
Pgm Horse Win Place Show
4 Big Brown 2.40 2.10 2.10
6 Coal Play 8.00 4.20
2 Cool Coal Man 2.80


$2 Exacta 4-6 25.20
$1 Superfecta 4-6-2-3 218.80
$1 Trifecta 4-6-2 32.70
$1 Pick 3 1-4-4 (3 correct) 78.80
$1 Pick 4 3-1-4-4 (4 correct) 849.10



you got a whopping 2.70 back on your $30 tri bet. .40 back for every $2 bet for him to win. so, you made less than $9.

TheSpyder 08-03-2008 05:47 PM

I rekon you made $12.70 on an $80 bet. You won. But I think the point everyone was tryiing to make is chasing such a low return with $80 over the long run is a losing proposition.

If you're happy so be it but it's not a way to play the ponies in general.

I can't really complain since you did better than be today....but tomorrow that's a different story.

Spyder
Quote:

Originally Posted by RollerDoc
So I ended up putting $50 on Big Brown to win and invested on a $30 trifecta on all horses as BB winning. Did I win anything?


RollerDoc 08-03-2008 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeWingnut
all depends if you had to drive to the OTB or track to bet it.

;)

the dollar tri paid $32
and Big Brown paid $2.40

You might be right. My X5 requires Premium Unleaded. I should factor in about $7.00 for gas. Boy am I stupid :) How come nobody on this board advised me against my strategy.

Hey at least I had fun watching the race and I don't think I lost anything. Big Brown finished strong and regardless of whether he is Travers, BCC bound or stud, he gave me a few thrills this summer.

For those of you calling him Big Crap, I think that is a little out of line. He still beat 19 horses in the KD from a post that nobody had in nearly a century. And his Preakness and FL Derby was not too shabby either.

Or maybe there is still something left in this horse.

Danzig 08-03-2008 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSpyder
I rekon you made $12.70 on an $80 bet. You won. But I think the point everyone was tryiing to make is chasing such a low return with $80 over the long run is a losing proposition.

If you're happy so be it but it's not a way to play the ponies in general.

I can't really complain since you did better than be today....but tomorrow that's a different story.

Spyder

ooops--i forgot it was $50 to win, i based his payoff on a $30 win bet....

Danzig 08-03-2008 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
You might be right. My X5 requires Premium Unleaded. I should factor in about $7.00 for gas. Boy am I stupid :) How come nobody on this board advised me against my strategy.

Hey at least I had fun watching the race and I don't think I lost anything. Big Brown finished strong and regardless of whether he is Travers, BCC bound or stud, he gave me a few thrills this summer.

For those of you calling him Big Crap, I think that is a little out of line. He still beat 19 horses in the KD from a post that nobody had in nearly a century. And his Preakness and FL Derby was not too shabby either.

Or maybe there is still something left in this horse.


:rolleyes:

RollerDoc 08-03-2008 06:03 PM

You have to go back to 1999 to find a better winning time in the Haskell. War Emblem (2002) tied Big Brown's time today if what I read is correct. With that said, doesn't Big Brown deserve a little more credit for today's victory?

Danzig 08-03-2008 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RollerDoc
You have to go back to 1999 to find a better winning time in the Haskell. War Emblem (2002) tied Big Brown's time today if what I read is correct. With that said, doesn't Big Brown deserve a little more credit for today's victory?

yeah, a real historical undertaking today. :rolleyes:

GPK 08-04-2008 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Can someone explain to me how if there is this kind of money in the pools, how I continue to get crushed at the windows this summer?


I ask myself the same question Hossy.

jms62 08-04-2008 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Can someone explain to me how if there is this kind of money in the pools, how I continue to get crushed at the windows this summer?

You realize that you left yourself WIDE open with that statement...:rolleyes:

Scav 08-04-2008 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Can someone explain to me how if there is this kind of money in the pools, how I continue to get crushed at the windows this summer?

While I agree with you, look at the P4 yesterday at Monmouth and tell me that wasn't a missed opportunity, $900 per $1 with a 1/5, and two other horses that were until $12 (I think)


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