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Indian Charlie 07-29-2008 02:11 PM

Fastest injury recovery ever?
 
I just got a stable mail entry for Fabulous Strike, who is entered in a non graded sprint at MNR this weekend. Wasn't his foot all messed up just a few days ago??

My opinion of trainers keeps getting lower.

Kasept 07-29-2008 02:28 PM

"Entered" doesn't mean "runs".. Could enter hoping that he's healthy enough to run.

Why would there be an issue that Beattie wants to get a prep start in BEFORE the horse runs in the Forego?

The Indomitable DrugS 07-29-2008 02:32 PM

He's coupled with another Beattie horse and Whitney is named on both.

Perhaps entering FS and not scratching him until as late as possible might also be a clever ploy to reduce the field size.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-29-2008 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
My opinion of trainers keeps getting lower.

As low as jockeys?

Indian Charlie 07-29-2008 02:49 PM

Lower.

While jocks I tend to view as having no brains, trainers seem to be full of shi.t.

I'd rather deal with people who are stupid than dishonest and disingenuous.

Cannon Shell 07-29-2008 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Lower.

While jocks I tend to view as having no brains, trainers seem to be full of shi.t.

I'd rather deal with people who are stupid than dishonest and disingenuous.

This is a classic! That implys that all trainers arent stupid (not true) and that my friend is a compliment. We seem to think that people who believe what is written in the racing form as news as closer to the naive side than stupid. I wonder how you know exactly what is going on enough to call people liars.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-29-2008 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
I'd rather deal with people who are stupid than dishonest and disingenuous.

honesty and ingenuousness are overrated.

eajinabi 07-29-2008 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
I just got a stable mail entry for Fabulous Strike, who is entered in a non graded sprint at MNR this weekend. Wasn't his foot all messed up just a few days ago??

My opinion of trainers keeps getting lower.

paid workout

Indian Charlie 07-29-2008 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
This is a classic! That implys that all trainers arent stupid (not true) and that my friend is a compliment. We seem to think that people who believe what is written in the racing form as news as closer to the naive side than stupid. I wonder how you know exactly what is going on enough to call people liars.

I wasn't speaking in absolutes dude, as evidenced by my wording. This perhaps puts you into the sub-group of trainers that isn't complimented by my previous post.

As for the inane point you make about knowing exactly what is going on enough to call people liars? Let's see if your trainer mind can handle this logic.

1. The trainer of Fabulous Strike (FS) scratches out of the race at Saratoga citing an injury that will keep him from racing for at least about a month.

2. Two to three days later he enters the same horse in another race.

Even to the most lame brained trainer out there, this can really only mean one of two things. First, the trainer lied about the injury and is ducking the race. Second, there really is an injury, but as postulated by someone else that trainer is using this horse in the second race as a way of scaring away competition so that the other horse he's entered has a better chance of winning.

Are you still able to follow me thus far?

I will spell this out for you in the most basic way I can so that you understand how I know a trainer is lying.

If the first instance is true, the lie is obvious and self evident.
If it's the second instance, he is, while not necessarily lying, using deceit if he has no intention of running his horse. In my straightforward way of dealing with people, using deceit or being dishonest is the same thing as lying, and that cop out people like to use of "It's just business" is bullshi.t.

Indian Charlie 07-29-2008 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
honesty and ingenuousness are overrated.


Yeah dude, that's become really obvious.

Indian Charlie 07-29-2008 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
paid workout

There is that, but the race this weekend would have been as well, if he was sound enough to run.

Danzig 07-29-2008 07:48 PM

perhaps the injury was very slight, not something to take on tougher competition with? but the horse can race, so warm him up against lesser horses?

The Indomitable DrugS 07-29-2008 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
In my straightforward way of dealing with people, using deceit or being dishonest is the same thing as lying, and that cop out people like to use of "It's just business" is bullshi.t.

He wanted to make up a BS story to duck the mighty Abraaj.

Isn't that obvious?

Cannon Shell 07-29-2008 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
I wasn't speaking in absolutes dude, as evidenced by my wording. This perhaps puts you into the sub-group of trainers that isn't complimented by my previous post.

As for the inane point you make about knowing exactly what is going on enough to call people liars? Let's see if your trainer mind can handle this logic.

1. The trainer of Fabulous Strike (FS) scratches out of the race at Saratoga citing an injury that will keep him from racing for at least about a month.

2. Two to three days later he enters the same horse in another race.

Even to the most lame brained trainer out there, this can really only mean one of two things. First, the trainer lied about the injury and is ducking the race. Second, there really is an injury, but as postulated by someone else that trainer is using this horse in the second race as a way of scaring away competition so that the other horse he's entered has a better chance of winning.

Are you still able to follow me thus far?

I will spell this out for you in the most basic way I can so that you understand how I know a trainer is lying.

If the first instance is true, the lie is obvious and self evident.
If it's the second instance, he is, while not necessarily lying, using deceit if he has no intention of running his horse. In my straightforward way of dealing with people, using deceit or being dishonest is the same thing as lying, and that cop out people like to use of "It's just business" is bullshi.t.

And do you know the circumstances surrounding any of the trainers comments or motives? No. In case you didnt understand we pay to enter stakes and have the discretion to scratch anytime up to 45 minutes before posttime without any reason.

Let me spell this out to you, as long as you are getting your information from the racing form and bloodhorse you are as good as in the dark about what is really going on. I'm sure the Patriots listing Brady as having a shoulder injury for 48 consecutive weeks send you into a rage also.

Did you ever consider that perhaps the initial diagnosis was incorrect?

Indian Charlie 07-30-2008 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Blah blah blah.

Blah blah blah.

Did you ever consider that perhaps the initial diagnosis was incorrect?

Do you mean the one in which I implied that trainers are stupid?

Cannon Shell 07-30-2008 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Do you mean the one in which I implied that trainers are stupid?

You bet hard earned money (It isnt easy standing in that unemployement line) on drugged up horses trained by dishonest trainers and ridden by no brain jockeys and we are the stupid ones?

exquisitequine 07-30-2008 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You bet hard earned money (It isnt easy standing in that unemployement line) on drugged up horses trained by dishonest trainers and ridden by no brain jockeys and we are the stupid ones?

ouch.

Cannon Shell 07-30-2008 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by exquisitequine
ouch.

He asked for it...

philcski 07-30-2008 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You bet hard earned money (It isnt easy standing in that unemployement line) on drugged up horses trained by dishonest trainers and ridden by no brain jockeys and we are the stupid ones?

I believe this is known as the "Mullins defense"

Cannon Shell 07-30-2008 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by philcski
I believe this is known as the "Mullins defense"

There is a hint of truth to it if you actually believe this is the case. I read in the paper that Iran is giving up their nuclear program too...

philcski 07-30-2008 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
There is a hint of truth to it if you actually believe this is the case. I read in the paper that Iran is giving up their nuclear program too...

No doubt... even if everything was clean in this game, I still question myself as a player sometimes for trying to beat a game with an absurdly high takeout.

ELA 07-30-2008 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You bet hard earned money (It isnt easy standing in that unemployement line) on drugged up horses trained by dishonest trainers and ridden by no brain jockeys and we are the stupid ones?

LOL.

Chuck, seriously, I think your comments are coming from a completely different place and mindset; thus, you'll be speaking different languages from the get go straight through.

Eric

Indian Charlie 07-30-2008 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
You bet hard earned money (It isnt easy standing in that unemployement line) on drugged up horses trained by dishonest trainers and ridden by no brain jockeys and we are the stupid ones?

Give it up dude. I haven't made a bet since the 2006 Breeders Cup and before that it was the previous Breeders Cup.

So, in answer to your question, that's a most emphatic yes. Especially in your case.

Seriously though, there are plenty of trainers that are not stupid. Clearly listening to a TP, RF or SA speaking into a microphone one can tell that they are bright and articulate. It's their dishonesty that bothers me.

Of course, there are also plenty of trainers that are both dishonest and stupid! Mullins for instance. Or possibly Byrne (based on that infamous Keeneland meet he had).

Indian Charlie 07-30-2008 12:57 PM

By the way Chucky, for the record, I don't think you are stupid.

I think you are full of yourself and overvalue your own opinion.

The attitude that people who work in the industry have a better and smarter opinion than those that don't is old and tiring.


Oh yeah, and nice hat!!!

philcski 07-30-2008 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Give it up dude. I haven't made a bet since the 2006 Breeders Cup and before that it was the previous Breeders Cup.

So, in answer to your question, that's a most emphatic yes. Especially in your case.

Seriously though, there are plenty of trainers that are not stupid. Clearly listening to a TP, RF or SA speaking into a microphone one can tell that they are bright and articulate. It's their dishonesty that bothers me.

Of course, there are also plenty of trainers that are both dishonest and stupid! Mullins for instance. Or possibly Byrne (based on that infamous Keeneland meet he had).

Keep in mind you're talking to someone who (a) is extremely bright and articulate, and (b) competes directly with said individuals who cheat and/or are dishonest (and I don't think I'm being naive in saying Chuck does NOT cheat, given the amount of time I've spent at the barn. :D) It's in his best business interest to have those guys cleaned up and out.

King Glorious 07-30-2008 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
By the way Chucky, for the record, I don't think you are stupid.

I think you are full of yourself and overvalue your own opinion.

The attitude that people who work in the industry have a better and smarter opinion than those that don't is old and tiring.


Oh yeah, and nice hat!!!

Amen. Not speaking of Chuck here but overall, I think this is totally true. This is not to say that the majority of the time, the people who work in the industry don't actually have more insight. It would be silly to suggest that they don't. But their positions don't make it as automatic that they are smarter or more knowledgeable about every situation than us everyday people.

Coach Pants 07-30-2008 01:54 PM

Lets face it...


there isn't a person on this site that would be a strong candidate for president of NAMBLA.

Edit: I mean MENSA. I'm sure there are a few people with under 100 posts that could put on a strong campaign for the NAMBLA nomination.

philcski 07-30-2008 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Lets face it...


there isn't a person on this site that would be a strong candidate for president of NAMBLA.

Edit: I mean MENSA. I'm sure there are a few people with under 100 posts that could put on a strong campaign for the NAMBLA nomination.

I think you'd be surprised... (about the MENSA part of course, I don't want to think about the NABLA freudian slip on your part)

Antitrust32 07-30-2008 02:27 PM

LOL Joey would qualify for MENSA. :D

In all seriousness, he would! Man's got an IQ off the charts!

ArlJim78 07-30-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
The attitude that people who work in the industry have a better and smarter opinion than those that don't is old and tiring.

it may be old and tiring, but in general its true. take any occupation, on average people working in the industry with first hand experience will tend to be better informed and more able to make a reasonable judgement. its clearly the case in this example.

Indian Charlie 07-30-2008 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
it may be old and tiring, but in general its true. take any occupation, on average people working in the industry with first hand experience will tend to be better informed and more able to make a reasonable judgement. its clearly the case in this example.

That reminds me of one of my favorite lines from a great TV show called Firefly.

As the protagonist of the series is about to square off in a fight against some punk in a bar who is blathering on about the moral superiority and righteousness of their government, he blurts out the memorable line:

"And you sound like you are suffering from an overabundance of education".

That's pretty much how I feel about so-called professionals who think they know best.

Indian Charlie 07-30-2008 03:00 PM

By the way, why would anyone even want to join a group like MENSA?

That's nothing more than mental masturbation.

kgar311 07-30-2008 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
it may be old and tiring, but in general its true. take any occupation, on average people working in the industry with first hand experience will tend to be better informed and more able to make a reasonable judgement. its clearly the case in this example.

The only thing I want to see from an insider is a winner, something I have never seen on this site. Not even an attempt to give out a winner.

kgar311 07-30-2008 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Why does anyone owe you a winner? That's some sense of entitlement you have.

Nobody owes me anything, but there are so many know it alls on here its sickning. They know everything about horse racing exept how to pick a winner. I think it would give them some credibility if they gave out a horse once and a while.

Antitrust32 07-30-2008 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311
The only thing I want to see from an insider is a winner, something I have never seen on this site. Not even an attempt to give out a winner.


:rolleyes:

So you deserve to be given winners by the "insiders" who work their butt off trying to find winners??


To quote Morty, "GIMME A BREAK"

Indian Charlie 07-30-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kgar311
Nobody owes me anything, but there are so many know it alls on here its sickning. They know everything about horse racing exept how to pick a winner. I think it would give them some credibility if they gave out a horse once and a while.

Speaking of such, where the hell is pg1985!!

kgar311 07-30-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32
:rolleyes:

So you deserve to be given winners by the "insiders" who work their butt off trying to find winners??


To quote Morty, "GIMME A BREAK"

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha work their butt off. Im sure you mean that literally. Im sure their knee pads are getting a little worn out too!


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