made up my mind
 

well
after trying to get feed back from the forum[with nearly no success]ive decided to take my shot this year at saratoga by betting 20 dollars to win
40 to place on steves value pick each race at saratoga
if he doesnt bet on a particular day
i wont bet
i also will take into concideration [with importance]all of hockeys take on each race he gives out a selection
thats my plan
i hope it all goes well
ill keep tabs on the value pick and give a update for the forum to see
ok
good luck everyone up at saratoga
p s into my 6th week with double knee replacement
slow as a mule still but pain is slowly leaving

While Steve does give out great picks ( especially at toga ), maybe you can search the forum on a better way to spend the $40.00 to place on each race. ( exacta / tris / 10cent super / pick 3 / etc. )

I personally think place is a sucker bet.

just my 2 cents, good luck none the less

There are lots of great 'cappers here. It's impossible to narrow them down to a select few. I'm sure most of us have differing opinions on who the best 'cappers are as well. Handicapping is an inexact science and involves a lot of luck, so to definitively say who DT's best handicappers are is about impossible.

I'm not trying to be a smartass, but have you considered that your recovery time might be usefully spent trying to learn how to pick winners for yourself? Listening to others' input is helpful, but from experience, I can tell you that handicapping for yourself and picking your own winner is way more satisfying than being 'put on' to a horse..

betting someone else's picks is like getting sloppy 2nds or messy 3rds

then again, this is a new era with the GIRLIE MAN being the prototype

oh ****

:rolleyes:

Don't forget the show bet.

Great post!

To each his own I suppose, but isn't handicapping races yourself the fun part about this whole thing?

I agree with what they are saying..if I was laid up for months I'd be capping and reading horse racing books like crazy.

Spyder

I thought you were going to write that you are keeping your baby.

Go ahead and bet Steve's plays if you just want some action and don't want to handicap. You could do much worse.

I'd drop the double up place wager though.

Ontheoutside..

Sorry I have been unresponsive to your request for feedback... Sent you a Private Message with some thoughts.

Hope your operation(s) go well and you get up on the new knees quick!

Kindest regards,
Steve

I know that alot of times I will look at Steve's picks when I am handicapping and make a notation of who they are. He seems to have an un-canny nitch for finding those needles in haystacks that I just don't see.
By all means handicap yourself and use your picks with his in perhaps a tri or pick 4.

Good Luck and let us know how things are progressing. Both with the picks and the knee :)

You don't sleep much do you? Love the show and the site keep up the good work. Thanks for having all this.

It may sound stupid, but I would rather lose with my selections than cash with someone else pick.


Betting to place is like kissing your sister. Betting to show is like kissing your brother.

steves best value picks
 

ok guys
day 2
going into day im ---123 after 1 day with steves best value at 20 win 40 place

todays plays
2nd #3 winner 11.60 6.10 228 for me
3rd #8 loser
4th #1 2nd 5.70 114 for me
5th scartched
6th #8 2nd 6.10 122 for me
7th #5 winner 6.90 4.20 153 for me
8th #9 loser
9th #1 2nd 3.40 68 for me
10th #2 winner 9.40 4.70 188 for me

so 8 races at 60 each =480wagered got back 873
total profit for day +393
was minus -123 going in
so after 2 days +270
ok guys ill let you know again tommorrow

thanks steve keep it up

All that criticism
 

Kissing your sister they said. Looks like fun after two days of scratches. I can only see this working. Enjoy!!

yes they said i was a balless man
 

yeah
i got hit pretty good
but i really dont care
im taking a shot
ill keep u imformed

Maybe this strategy will be like the stock market. Up one day down the next. If that's the case pass tomorrow. ;)

Aren't you giving up $400-$500 a week in take out? Instead of doing that, just bet $60-$120 a day on a pick 4. That will cost you (in the range of) $100 week in take-out. Over a year, you would save 15k.

steves value picks for friday
 

not too good today
here is what i did
1st #2 loser
2nd #8 loser
3rd #1 loser
4th #7 loser
5th #7 winner paid 620 & 330 for me 62 + 66 128 for me
6th #3 loser
7th scratched
8th #6 loser
9th #3 placed paid 550 for me 110 110 for me

so i bet 480 got back 238

___ 242 for day

was plus 270 going in
so im still ahead 28 dollars after 3 days

ok steve
give him hell saturday

take care guys
ps and as far as the dude telling me to bet pick 4 and save 15 k a year
my freind
i havent hit a pick 3 in 35 years let alone a pick 4
ill do it my way and have some fun
u do it your way and i hope you crush em

race replays
 

what am i doing wrong guys?i go to nyra.com
hit video replays
that brings me to the sight racereplays.com
but it still has that blue page on it telling me that due to whatever no replays
am i missing something here?am i supposed to go somewhere else 1st?im only looking for the free repalys

calracing.com has NYRA replays for free. . . they're the only place to get them right now. . . if you have a mac (like me) you'll have to pay for a racereplays subscription. . .

thanks hockey
 

thank you so much hockey for imfo your very kind for answering me
thanks again

do your thing and i'm following your exploits with interest. you're still + .

best value picks from steve saturday
 

dont have to give you a run down today
like i usually do
10 races ran [1 scratch
so i invested 600 got back a place bet in the 9th on copper
it paid 580 so i got 116

so i bet 600 got back 116
so minus 484 for day
was ahead 28
so im losing 456 after 4 day
just a bad day
well get them
take care guys

With all due respect sir,please stop this madness way of betting.Did you ever hear the saying that you can beat a race not the races.Nobody and I mean nobody can play 10 races a day and end up ahead for the day let alone for the year.If you did want to play every race why would you play one horse out of four posted.Try the gimmicks that he offers, you would stand a far better chance.I would luv to book your action with a 20% rebate back on all your losing bets.Free lunch also.

I already suggested some boxing, keying and/or P3/P4's.. seemingly to no avail.

I would quit right after you lost an even $35K...then move over and do the same with Steve's superfecta toss in's. Scientifically this has to work!:tro:

woke this morning with a bevy of negitives on here
 

with 3 post coming to mesaying im ridiculing steves best value picks by posting them on here after the races are done
ive decided not to do it any more
not because im not going to continue betting them
but becuase
if they are right
i dont want to ridicule anyone by posting what has been so far a even week except for one day
i didnt start posting his results to ridicule,
shame,
or imbarress any one
i just thought it would have bben fun to see how he did
but ive heard from 3 different people in private messages that ive gone to far
so if thats the case
im ok with it and as of yesterday
i will not post results
as for you steve
if this is true and i affened you in any way posting these results
i 100% apoligize to you
i never meant it to be a embbaressment,a ridicule,a any thing
you had 1 bad day out of 4
i dont know maybe i think differently then other people
well anyway
knock them dead steve
your show
your
picks
your happiness towards the sport is second to none
take care guys

Play and post what you want and stop letting others tell you what is acceptable. Byk couldn't care less about someone keeping track of value selections on here. He'd probably like to know how he does when he "designates" a pick as "VALUE". The man's skin is clearly not that thin. Track your play and enjoy it...you learn more about your losing plays than a winner ever teaches you.

Exactly, It's a "value Play" which to me means you will get goods odds on a horse that "may" have a chance to do well. I like the post day results.

I think you should absolutely post your results. Steve normally posts how each race day selections do in all exotics and multi-race wagers, so what you are doing is no different, just a subset of the selections that you decide to play. I say continue to post the results, good luck with the plays.

Do what you do. And have fun doing it.

Do your thing and if you want to keep posting your results I'd be interested to keep following. This is about having fun.

Miss Pumkin Shell (best value) 12/1 finished 2nd in the 6th. That'll boost your spirits.

ok now i got 5 psot saying to continue to post so i will v
 

i got some very nice reads today about me posting my results [5[ to be exact] so i gues ill continue to do it
and if you dont like please
dont read it
ill see in a hour how i did
a wedding today
blah
will go to cal racing to see results
thanks to hockey telling me about the sight to get new york replays
see you later

steves value picks for sunday
 

only 10 ran
8 were losers
i did pick up in the 6th [he had #9 which finished 2nd at 1180 so i got 236 for that
and in the 10th [ he had #7 which won and payed 1840 & 530 which i got total 290
so i bet 600 got back 526
so i lost 74 for day

i am now minus502 for week
see u tommorrow

these are your plays, so I don't know why you use Steves name on the threads.

Steve posts his own plays based on his picks, and they are not the same as yours.

Thanks to the mods for condensing this into one thread....

ontheoutside i would like you to make 1 change for next week and keep a running total , i don't want u to bet more , use the same $60 , but , this week instead play $40 to win and $20 to place

you would have one an extra $13 dollars on Sunday's Value picks. i'm sure if we ran the other days and did it with a 40 W 20 P br we would find you would have lost less for the week

let's give it a try this week (starting on Wed to next MON) with a 40 W 20 P bet and see how we do , i do want you to have to play more than your $60 budget, but i want to give you a better chane to increase your ROI - good luck bud

Best value in the feature today is in ALL CAPS...back up the trucks brother.

The pressure is mounting :D

My betting style would be climb the ladder across the board if I were to play the best values...wps, $2, $4, $6...I like to play the show as a saver. but to each his own.