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Kasept 07-16-2008 09:04 PM

7/19-20 (DMR): San Diego H. (Gr. II)/Eddie Read (Gr. I)
 
SAT. 6th (4:30) San Diego H. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Mostacolli Mort Baze T C 114 L
2 Surf Cat Flores D R 120 L
3 Rebellion (GB) Bejarano R 119 L
4 Magnum (ARG) Pedroza M A 115 L
5 Racketeer Nakatani C S 113 L
6 Well Armed Gryder A T 117
7 Global Hunter (ARG) Smith M E 114 L
8 Tall Texan Espinoza V 112 L
9 You Got Me Rocking Rosario J 112 Blk-Off
10 Mr Napper Tandy (GB) Talamo J 112 L



SUN. 8th (5:30) Eddie Read H. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $400,000

1 Lava Man Baze T C 120 L
2 Whatsthescript (IRE) Enriquez I D 116 L
3 Ferneley (IRE) Espinoza V 114
4 Monzante Bejarano R 114 L
5 Global Hunter (ARG) Smith M E 113 L
6 Storm Military (ARG) Flores D R 115 L
7 Spring House Gomez G K 117

miraja2 07-16-2008 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
6th (4:30) San Diego H. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Mostacolli Mort Baze T C 114 L
2 Surf Cat Flores D R 120 L
3 Rebellion (GB) Bejarano R 119 L
4 Magnum (ARG) Pedroza M A 115 L
5 Racketeer Nakatani C S 113 L
6 Well Armed Gryder A T 117
7 Global Hunter (ARG) Smith M E 114 L
8 Tall Texan Espinoza V 112 L
9 You Got Me Rocking Rosario J 112 Blk-Off
10 Mr Napper Tandy (GB) Talamo J 112 L

I miss Giacomo.

RolloTomasi 07-16-2008 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
6th (4:30) San Diego H. (G2)

1 1/16 Miles (All Weather Track) | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Mostacolli Mort Baze T C 114 L
2 Surf Cat Flores D R 120 L
3 Rebellion (GB) Bejarano R 119 L
4 Magnum (ARG) Pedroza M A 115 L
5 Racketeer Nakatani C S 113 L
6 Well Armed Gryder A T 117
7 Global Hunter (ARG) Smith M E 114 L
8 Tall Texan Espinoza V 112 L
9 You Got Me Rocking Rosario J 112 Blk-Off
10 Mr Napper Tandy (GB) Talamo J 112 L

If Magnum ever cuts back to 7f (Pat O'Brien perhaps) he might be an interesting longshot. Seems like a horse to key in the 4th spot of the superfecta at this distance, though, based on his races this year.

Alan07 07-16-2008 10:12 PM

San Diego to go off at 4:45 Pacific, Live On ESPN2

Indian Charlie 07-16-2008 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alan07
San Diego to go off at 4:45 Pacific, Live On ESPN2

Mass projectile vomiting to go off at 4:47 Pacific, Live around the country.

RolloTomasi 07-17-2008 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Mass projectile vomiting to go off at 4:47 Pacific, Live around the country.

Why? You gonna post a link to "Two Girls, One Cup" again at that time?

Indian Charlie 07-17-2008 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Why? You gonna post a link to "Two Girls, One Cup" again at that time?

No, I was thinking of debuting my new website, "Two jocks, one horse".

Scav 07-17-2008 10:21 AM

The SD Handicap isn't that bad all things considered, at the very least it looks like a good betting race. Look at the Eddie Read....Where is Daytona, he would destroy that field

ateamstupid 07-17-2008 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Scav
The SD Handicap isn't that bad all things considered, at the very least it looks like a good betting race.

It's a freaking fine race. I don't understand the complaints. I think people are just used to complaining about every graded race, so it becomes a reflex. I'd say this is a decent field for a G2.

In regards to Surf Cat though, has Headley just conceded that his horse isn't as good as he used to be? From looking at his PP's, it seems like he might have a case of the Notionals.. Why not ship him to try real dirt again?

Indian Charlie 07-17-2008 11:05 AM

My main complaint isn't about the 'quality' of the San Diego, it's that Del Mar's track sucks.

They went from being the best in California to being worse than AQU.

Kinda like what happened at Keeneland. It's just hard to get overly excited about a bunch of mediocre to decent horses running over that surface.

Scav 07-17-2008 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
My main complaint isn't about the 'quality' of the San Diego, it's that Del Mar's track sucks.

They went from being the best in California to being worse than AQU.

Kinda like what happened at Keeneland. It's just hard to get overly excited about a bunch of mediocre to decent horses running over that surface.

I agree, while yesterday was just the first day, horses still didn't look comfortable on it.

I also don't think the quality of stock is available out there. Look at Saturday/Sunday race cards, pretty weak overall. I was hoping for a lot better.

Top that off with alot of these guys having to actually learn how to train with drug prevention being pushed out there and you have all sorts of comedy happening.

I don't know what it is but it seems like the only synthetic to actually work out has been Arlington. Horses get over it fine, there has been minimal breakdowns (I actually don't know of one this year yet, but I probably missed one)

Scav 07-17-2008 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It's a freaking fine race. I don't understand the complaints. I think people are just used to complaining about every graded race, so it becomes a reflex. I'd say this is a decent field for a G2.

In regards to Surf Cat though, has Headley just conceded that his horse isn't as good as he used to be? From looking at his PP's, it seems like he might have a case of the Notionals.. Why not ship him to try real dirt again?

Headley points to Del Mar so him showing up here makes a little sense.

Mostacolli Mort is interesting as he has found a home on synthetic, Rebellion is decent although trying 8.5 this time and Tall Texas should be fitter going 8.5f this time. I am not sold on Well Armed.

ateamstupid 07-17-2008 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Headley points to Del Mar so him showing up here makes a little sense.

I understand, but he's run about six or seven mediocre races in a row on synthetics. Either he's not the same horse that he was at four (very plausible) or he wants to get back on real dirt. I would think it would be worth a shot if you weren't sold that the horse was over the hill.

Bobby Fischer 07-17-2008 11:46 AM

good to see Well Armed back, hard to get a beat on the track.

Knee-jerk reaction is to question why he isn't getting a turf route with a chute or shipping to run on dirt while the Del Mar meet is taking place, but one try on the main-track can only help & condition right?

Great to see Lava Man staying on the Turf.

miraja2 07-17-2008 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It's a freaking fine race. I don't understand the complaints. I think people are just used to complaining about every graded race, so it becomes a reflex. I'd say this is a decent field for a G2.

In regards to Surf Cat though, has Headley just conceded that his horse isn't as good as he used to be? From looking at his PP's, it seems like he might have a case of the Notionals.. Why not ship him to try real dirt again?

Just for the record, I wasn't complaining.
I really do miss Giacomo.

Bobby Fischer 07-17-2008 09:56 PM

shoot?
 
the Eddie Read is outta that chute
Baze on Lava Man is the key player here.
You have Flores outside, and he is kind of a turf route wire-to-wire specialist, and that is what Frankel wants to get done. Then you can't leave MIke Smith out of the equation with Global Hunter.

You gotta figure that Smith will at least entertain the option getting the pace coming out of the chute. He is just to the inside of Storm Milititary and Flores in the 5/6 posts with no speed inside and Lava Man in the 1 post.

Would like to see Tyler Baze ride aggressively, break alertly, take those two WIDE , and let Flores force his way outside of Mike Smith.
If all goes well He hangs them both wide on the chute turn and the 1st turn.
IF they want to kill their horse and go to fast, let em go...

About the worst thing Baze can do is pull back and be scared to set the early dynamics...

Kasept 07-17-2008 10:01 PM

Rebellion will be tough to beat in the San Diego. I'm not a guy who says 'Won't lose' or 'Shouldn't lose' too often, but am mighty tempted here.

Scav 07-17-2008 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Rebellion will be tough to beat in the San Diego. I'm not a guy who says 'Won't lose' or 'Shouldn't lose' too often, but am mighty tempted here.

have you seen the sheets yet? Surf Cat is actually playable in this spot with Rebellion. They both should run a zero and SC might get a better trip being right behind the speed.....Shortening up for Headley who points for Del Mar

There are two interesting sheet horses. While slow, both Tall Texan and Morty have positives. Morty got back to his top, gets in light and has really taken to these synthetics. Tall Texan paired his top first time stretching out, an angle I am a huge fan of and another that gets in light. He could explode 2nd time stretchout....

Kasept 07-17-2008 10:22 PM

Not an opinion based on the figs... Rebellion is forward going, and despite being 5, looks like a horse that is getting it all together now... form, fitness, maturity, et al.. Since coming to America, he has moved back once: on the quagmire 'soft' in the Breeders' Cup Mile. Motion has been patient with him, and he now appears poised for some next level performances.

Scav 07-17-2008 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Not an opinion based on the figs... Rebellion is forward going, and despite being 5, looks like a horse that is getting it all together now... form, fitness, maturity, et al.. Since coming to America, he has moved back once: on the quagmire 'soft' in the Breeders' Cup Mile. Motion has been patient with him, and he now appears poised for some next level performances.

You can probably toss that BC Mile too and he has progressed real well. He answers two turns, I am sold. Index says he should

One note that I just noticed, Surf Cat's career number (neg 2) came at Del Mar last year. Difference circumstances and most likely a different track but just food for thought.

Bobby Fischer 07-17-2008 10:54 PM

If rebellion crushes this group, it will get tempting to see if he can continue to stretch out.

Coach Pants 07-17-2008 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
have you seen the sheets yet? Surf Cat is actually playable in this spot with Rebellion. They both should run a zero and SC might get a better trip being right behind the speed.....Shortening up for Headley who points for Del Mar

There are two interesting sheet horses. While slow, both Tall Texan and Morty have positives. Morty got back to his top, gets in light and has really taken to these synthetics. Tall Texan paired his top first time stretching out, an angle I am a huge fan of and another that gets in light. He could explode 2nd time stretchout....

If you like Surf Cat don't you have to include Global Hunter who should be astronomical odds?

Scav 07-17-2008 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
If you like Surf Cat don't you have to include Global Hunter who should be astronomical odds?

I don't see the connection, what am I missing?

I have no idea who I am playing, just throwing some conversation out there.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-18-2008 12:18 AM

LOL..Headley said Solis was gunna keep the mount on Surf Cat. Didn't take long to change that.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-18-2008 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Rebellion will be tough to beat in the San Diego. I'm not a guy who says 'Won't lose' or 'Shouldn't lose' too often, but am mighty tempted here.

Only question is the 2 turns.

Coach Pants 07-18-2008 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
I don't see the connection, what am I missing?

I have no idea who I am playing, just throwing some conversation out there.

First race in NA was against Surf Cat. Only beat length and a half.

Toss the met.

Last race was stuck wide in a sprint going ridiculous fractions and near the lead. Cut off down the stretch, shuffled back 5th came back to get 4th.

I'm expecting the early pace to be much slower than his previous two races on synthetic. Could hit the board at 20/1 or greater. Might win because this track is silly.

Scav 07-18-2008 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
First race in NA was against Surf Cat. Only beat length and a half.

Toss the met.

Last race was stuck wide in a sprint going ridiculous fractions and near the lead. Cut off down the stretch, shuffled back 5th came back to get 4th.

I'm expecting the early pace to be much slower than his previous two races on synthetic. Could hit the board at 20/1 or greater. Might win because this track is silly.

Great info there Coach, gonna have to inclue now regardless if I use Surf Cat or not. He would be a MUST INCLUDE if Avila's boy Berrio was aboard :) Note that Global Hunter is also entered in the Eddie Read.

Bobby Fischer 07-18-2008 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Note that Global Hunter is also entered in the Eddie Read.

yea where is he gonna run?

Pedigree Ann 07-19-2008 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
the Eddie Read is outta that chute
Baze on Lava Man is the key player here.


About the worst thing Baze can do is pull back and be scared to set the early dynamics...

Lava Man does not like to see horses ahead of him. He can sit outside and behind horses, but he positively does not run his best when he can't see clear track ahead of him. If he is inside the other speed, he has to go to maintain his position; taking him back will not work.

ninetoone 07-19-2008 06:41 PM

Call me crazy, I say Racketeer runs well here 18-1 @ 4mtp.

ninetoone 07-19-2008 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninetoone
Call me crazy, I say Racketeer runs well here 18-1 @ 4mtp.

Either that or he's pulled up and runs dead last :D

Bobby Fischer 07-19-2008 06:54 PM

not your father's Del Mar polyturf

Well Armed looked pretty good on the lead.

win

and

your

in.

Bobby Fischer 07-19-2008 06:59 PM

141.57 for 8.5
that has to be a track record since the poly switch??

135+change for the mile call

10 pnt move up 07-19-2008 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
141.57 for 8.5
that has to be a track record since the poly switch??

135+change for the mile call

there is more racing today but thats going to be a big figure

Danzig 07-19-2008 09:21 PM

having defeated the now retired heatseeker earlier this year, and with the victory today, is well armed the fave for the bcc? he obviously handles the AWT, while questions remain about some of the other top horses.

of course there is still plenty of time ahead.

what does everyone think of the revamped del mar surface? i doubt you'll hear complaints this year after the pac classic.

CSC 07-20-2008 09:45 AM

The Eddie Read, I think Ferneley is an interesting horse to look at a price. He managed to beat Lord Admiral in a Gr. 3 race this spring on good ground at Leopardstown. Some may remember Lord Admiral from The Dubai Carnival this spring, he finished 3rd in the Dubai Duty Free Group 1 and in a race before beat Jay Peg who won the Duty Free. Ferneley looks like the question mark here, the investment here is can he run a beyer in the range of 100 in his 1st race off the plane over from Europe.

Not sure of the closers in here they look a little suspect to me for a gr.1 field, Lava Man isn't the same horse he once was. This race may be left to a front runner...Storm Military or the Ferneley.

Bobby Fischer 07-20-2008 10:58 AM

Whatsthescript or Monzante

letswastemoney 07-20-2008 01:46 PM

every time Lava Man runs, they ridiculously bet him down to even money for no reason.

King Glorious 07-20-2008 07:36 PM

I'll go with Lava Man with Storm Military and Ferneley in the next two spots.

ninetoone 07-20-2008 07:39 PM

I'll take Raffy on the 4 for the stakes double...Lethal Heat was a mortal lock in the last race, especially since I couldn't bet the race :(


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