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Alan07 07-14-2008 12:17 PM

7/16 (DMR): Oceanside S.
 
6th (7:35 ET)
Oceanside S. (1st Division)

1 Mile | Turf | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $75,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med. M/L
1 Indian Sun Migliore R 121 L 9/2
2 Moral Compass Gomez G K 121 L 7/2
3 Ez Dreamer Nakatani C S 121 L 3/1
4 Sky Cape Espinoza V 121 L 4/1
5 Yes It's a Cat Potts C L 121 L 20/1
6 California Blaze Pedroza M A 119 L 15/1
7 Chevin Flores D R 119 L 12/1
8 Coronel Moldes Baze T C 119 15/1
9 Jungle Wave Talamo J 119 L 15/1
10 Kilderry Bejarano R 121 L 8/1
11 Guts Smith M E 117 L 15/1

8th (8:35 ET)
Oceanside S. (2nd Division)

1 Mile | Turf | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $75,000

Post # Horse Jockey Weight Claim Price Equip. Med. M/L
1 Liberian Freighter Flores D R 121 L 7/2
2 Crimson Star Contreras L 121 L 15/1
3 Dixie Chatter Migliore R 123 L 9/2
4 Raingear Court J K 117 L 20/1
5 Devils Afleet Talamo J 119 L 12/1
6 Mr Keppel (IRE) Enriquez I D 119 L 12/1
7 Cee Bargara (GB) Solis A 119 10/1
8 Afleet Ruler Gomez G K 117 L 4/1
9 Tangled Tango Baze T C 121 L 6/1
10 Cannonball Garcia J A 121 L 9/2
11 Wild and Ready Gomez G K 117 L 15/1
13 Bingham Bejarano R 117 L 15/1
14 Rumba Along Nakatani C S 117 L 20/1

10 pnt move up 07-14-2008 01:35 PM

wish they could have gotten a full field

Scav 07-14-2008 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
wish they could have gotten a full field

huh?

They have split it into divisions the last three years or so

Big fan of Afleet Ruler in this spot. Got a real bad ride last time and it was discussed that his last race was a tightener for this spot, not sure what kind of odds will be available though

Coach Pants 07-14-2008 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
huh?

They have split it into divisions the last three years or so

Big fan of Afleet Ruler in this spot. Got a real bad ride last time and it was discussed that his last race was a tightener for this spot, not sure what kind of odds will be available though

Should be real short.

Indian Sun looks interesting in the first division.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-14-2008 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
huh?

They have split it into divisions the last three years or so

Big fan of Afleet Ruler in this spot. Got a real bad ride last time and it was discussed that his last race was a tightener for this spot, not sure what kind of odds will be available though

OMG....Scav, come on. Isn't it obvious he is better one turning? I guess not. That's a horse who is simply better going one turn (7f type horse.) He could get a game 2nd, but this track is gunna play longer than HWD's course. I don't see it. Maybe in the 2nd half of the meet(turf worn down some.) He was a short price for a damn good reason the other day. That wasn't a spot he should of failed in(at all) if he liked to two turn very well. Maybe Gomez can stretch him, but I won't be surprised if he hangs a bit (late.)

Scav 07-14-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
OMG....Scav, come on. Isn't it obvious he is better one turning? I guess not. That's a horse who is simply better going one turn (7f type horse.) He could get a game 2nd, but this track is gunna play longer than HWD's course. I don't see it. Maybe in the 2nd half of the meet(turf worn down some.) He was a short price for a damn good reason the other day. That wasn't a spot he should of failed in(at all) if he liked to two turn very well. Maybe Gomez can stretch him, but I won't be surprised if he hangs a bit (late.)

I don't know, I think he was out there to get a race into him, with this being the goal. I agree that anything more then 8f is probably testing it, but the race has a little speed that should flatter his close a little.....If I were playing, I would be playing him, based on the belief that his last race was a tune up for this spot.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-14-2008 03:19 PM

Scav, you think they are talking about Nima's home, or her napkin?

the_fat_man 07-14-2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
huh?



Big fan of Afleet Ruler in this spot. Got a real bad ride last time and it was discussed that his last race was a tightener for this spot, not sure what kind of odds will be available though

This might be a very safe bet, especially since the top 3 finishers of the $45-50k claiming race that went more than 2 seconds faster (with faster earlier splits) the same day aren't in the race.

I see the wide trip, however.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-14-2008 03:27 PM

In the 2nd division , I like these 3 horses. Not, because the others aren't any good, but I think most of them are better 1 turning. Probably one of them will stretch out and win, but I think these three are the best suited for what they are being asked to do.

1 Liberian Freighter Flores D R 121 L
13 Bingham Bejarano R 117 L
14 Rumba Along Nakatani C S 117 L

Coach Pants 07-14-2008 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
In the 2nd division , I like these 3 horses. Not, because the others aren't any good, but I think most of them are better 1 turning. Probably one of them will stretch out and win, but I think these three are the best suited for what they are being asked to do.

1 Liberian Freighter Flores D R 121 L
13 Bingham Bejarano R 117 L
14 Rumba Along Nakatani C S 117 L

11-14 are AE's correct?

I like Liberian Freighter a little bit but the horse that's drawing the most interest from me is Tangled Tango. Tough race for first on the turf but Canani can have them ready.

Scav 07-14-2008 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
In the 2nd division , I like these 3 horses. Not, because the others aren't any good, but I think most of them are better 1 turning. Probably one of them will stretch out and win, but I think these three are the best suited for what they are being asked to do.

1 Liberian Freighter Flores D R 121 L
13 Bingham Bejarano R 117 L
14 Rumba Along Nakatani C S 117 L

I am not saying I am betting the race and I also like Liberian Freighter, should get a great trip. Gonna watch some replays and look at the sheets and see what I can come up with.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-14-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
11-14 are AE's correct?

I like Liberian Freighter a little bit but the horse that's drawing the most interest from me is Tangled Tango. Tough race for first on the turf but Canani can have them ready.

Tango is a game horse. Canani shoots for this meet. Don't particularly like the breeding. He has been tolerating the 2 turns. That may work, again. I think he is much tougher if Devil's Afleet were to scratch. T BAZE is gunna ride until he is 60. A 60 year old brat. I just know it. He's like one of the villain's on the old batman series.

10 pnt move up 07-14-2008 04:38 PM

Not sure with 28 entries this was broken into three divisions like last year?

brockguy 07-14-2008 05:45 PM

can anyone tell me if this is Let Us Prey's first US run?? I think he could be a huge runner on firm grass..

eajinabi 07-14-2008 06:27 PM

In the first division I will go for KILDERRY (assuming he gets a good trip from the 10 hole going a mile at del mar).

The reason I like him because I am a sucker for Mitchell's Claiming to Instant Stakes winner angle.

The BET:

$40 WP on KILDERRY


The second division I like MR. KEPPEL Ran behind snail like fractions at GG behind Sky Cape but still rallied to lose by only a half length. His works leading up to it look decent and hes shortening up to mile this time. Looks like I will get 15-1 at least.

The BET:

$20 WP on MR. KEPPEL

SCUDSBROTHER 07-14-2008 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
can anyone tell me if this is Let Us Prey's first US run?? I think he could be a huge runner on firm grass..

Yes, 1st U.S. RACE( off since OCT.) I prefer the Florida bred from FRANCE, but either of them could do it.

eajinabi 07-14-2008 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
can anyone tell me if this is Let Us Prey's first US run?? I think he could be a huge runner on firm grass..

I dont see anything with this horse except he has worked well and hes only won one race as the super favorite. Floped at the distance twice and they dont give Lasix.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-15-2008 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
I dont see anything with this horse except he has worked well and hes only won one race as the super favorite. Floped at the distance twice and they dont give Lasix.

She's a pretty good trainer, and she(from what I remember) has had some success training for that turf, and I think in this stakes she has done well(maybe just 2nd's though.) She had that turf sprinter from Chicago ready to go off the layoff. He came back and took another,too. Grey horse went off 7-1 or so, and shouldn't of(that was one of the best overlays of the Hollywood meet.) This horse could fire. He has faced better,right? I even think the horse from France may have run against(and beaten) better. This Lady training L.U. Prey is a 27% trainer. The reasons you gave for not liking the horse are legit, but he has faced tougher in those races. I agree KILDERRY has looked like a decent horse with a kick. I still think his kick could be more effective going shorter. This is a step up for him, too. It's a hard race to pick the winner. I will probably take the 2 Euros, and maybe Kilderry. I will probably get beat by the horses who have come 2nd and 3rd in graded races in this country, but I don't know which one(they look pretty similar....the four inside horses.)

SCUDSBROTHER 07-15-2008 05:51 PM

EAJ, I watched the Keppel horse. That horse has beautiful movement. He looks exactly like the type of horses who win at Del Mar early in the meet. I'm not sure if he got a lil tired late, or the others went so slow that they had too much left. I'm gunna go with Liberian Freighter and Keppel in that leg. I'm not quite sure Keppel wants the last sixteenth of a mile, and he will have to be best(cuz this jock can only win with the best horse, or a perfect trip set up.) I don't think he will be that big of a price though. These connections got the big price about 3 weeks ago with W'SCRPT. So, it should take play. To me, he has beaten better in Europe, but it was going shorter.

eajinabi 07-15-2008 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
EAJ, I watched the Keppel horse. That horse has beautiful movement. He looks exactly like the type of horses who win at Del Mar early in the meet. I'm not sure if he got a lil tired late, or the others went so slow that they had too much left. I'm gunna go with Liberian Freighter and Keppel in that leg. I'm not quite sure Keppel wants the last sixteenth of a mile, and he will have to be best(cuz this jock can only win with the best horse, or a perfect trip set up.) I don't think he will be that big of a price though. These connections got the big price about 3 weeks ago with W'SCRPT. So, it should take play. To me, he has beaten better in Europe, but it was going shorter.

Great observation on Mr. Keppel Scuds. I had the same conclusion yesterday when watching the replay of him at GG. Did you notice those fractions??? :25 :50 1:15 and yet he rallies from second to last to losing by only a half length. A mile is probably what he wants and if hes 100% tommorow he is dangerous. I also noticed Sadler 4 winners from 5 starts when shipping horses from No. Cal to Del Mar.
His odds will be determined on how sky cape does in the first division.

eajinabi 07-15-2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
She's a pretty good trainer, and she(from what I remember) has had some success training for that turf, and I think in this stakes she has done well(maybe just 2nd's though.) She had that turf sprinter from Chicago ready to go off the layoff. He came back and took another,too. Grey horse went off 7-1 or so, and shouldn't of(that was one of the best overlays of the Hollywood meet.) This horse could fire. He has faced better,right? I even think the horse from France may have run against(and beaten) better. This Lady training L.U. Prey is a 27% trainer. The reasons you gave for not liking the horse are legit, but he has faced tougher in those races. I agree KILDERRY has looked like a decent horse with a kick. I still think his kick could be more effective going shorter. This is a step up for him, too. It's a hard race to pick the winner. I will probably take the 2 Euros, and maybe Kilderry. I will probably get beat by the horses who have come 2nd and 3rd in graded races in this country, but I don't know which one(they look pretty similar....the four inside horses.)

Let us Prey is AE. I just hope Kilderry doesnt hang 5 wide cause he is drawn post 10 going a mile. I will be a fool to single in multi race wagers but with Bejarano on him and Mitchell's claiming to stakes angle I have to key him.

Mike 07-15-2008 09:30 PM

I see nothing interesting in the 2nd division, but think the cluster of low priced faves in the 1st division are all lesser class 3 yo's, and will hope for a lone speed and better rating ability by Jungle Wave at 15-1

clambeau 07-15-2008 10:56 PM

FYI...Only horses to have worked at DMR last 10 days..(track is quirky,..to be kind...right?)

Race 6

pp6 Cali Blaze 13Jul 4f 47.04 2/14
pp8 Col Moldes 14Jul 4f 53.00 41/41


Race 8

pp10 Cannonball (it's the Ramsey's..WesWard) 14Jul 3f 39.80 15/15
pp11 Wild n Ready 11Jul 4f 48.2 1/3

..just (junk) food for thought maybe ?

SCUDSBROTHER 07-16-2008 12:39 AM

LET US PREY,SAVVY N SMOOTH,FUNNY ME...are early scratches. N PAD early scratch from the 8th race.

swedejxn 07-16-2008 06:59 AM

The 8th is a toss-up... But love the work pattern and last race for Cannonball ... could be up to last years form and has faced the best 3 YO Turf competition... Post Hurts...

I think Liberian Freighter will have too much competition on the front end... speed won't hold up...

If Dixie Chatter takes to the turf Migs can work a good trip from the 3 hole and steal it entering the stretch...

So Chatter and Cannonball on top.... anyone else could complete super except maybe Cee Bargara... like Keppel, Afleet Ruler, and Tango as my 2nd tier...

SCUDSBROTHER 07-16-2008 06:10 PM

FRANK LYONS owns part of that C Mondes horse.

eajinabi 07-16-2008 08:50 PM

Kildery Wins!!!!

Mr Keppel came second! Cashed on both!!

Mr. Keppel is a FOR SURE horse to watch

swedejxn 07-16-2008 08:51 PM

Chatter the winner $15 and supers paid 1591 and 1757.. love it when a dead heat completes the ticket..... wish I could have played freighter in the 3 spot... and cashed both ways... hope everyone did well today
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Originally Posted by swedejxn
The 8th is a toss-up... But love the work pattern and last race for Cannonball ... could be up to last years form and has faced the best 3 YO Turf competition... Post Hurts...

I think Liberian Freighter will have too much competition on the front end... speed won't hold up...

If Dixie Chatter takes to the turf Migs can work a good trip from the 3 hole and steal it entering the stretch...

So Chatter and Cannonball on top.... anyone else could complete super except maybe Cee Bargara... like Keppel, Afleet Ruler, and Tango as my 2nd tier...


SCUDSBROTHER 07-16-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
Great observation on Mr. Keppel Scuds. I had the same conclusion yesterday when watching the replay of him at GG. Did you notice those fractions??? :25 :50 1:15 and yet he rallies from second to last to losing by only a half length. A mile is probably what he wants and if hes 100% tommorow he is dangerous. I also noticed Sadler 4 winners from 5 starts when shipping horses from No. Cal to Del Mar.
His odds will be determined on how sky cape does in the first division.

Wow,if this isn't a case where they are tempted to switch jocks, then what is? I'm not saying he won't run 2nd the same way(again,) just saying you know Sadler would want to try Gomez. Funny, cuz the only reason this jock gets the mount (in the first place) is he is married to the owner's daughter....LOL..BIDNEZ IS BIDNEZ...I bet you see a jock change.

NTamm1215 07-16-2008 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Wow,if this isn't a case where they are tempted to switch jocks, then what is? I'm not saying he won't run 2nd the same way(again,) just saying you know Sadler would want to try Gomez. Funny, cuz the only reason this jock gets the mount (in the first place) is he is married to the owner's daughter....LOL..BIDNEZ IS BIDNEZ...I bet you see a jock change.

Willie Shoemaker being on that horse wouldn't have made a difference. Isaias Enriquez gave him a perfect ride and that's coming from someone who bet on him. He never went wide, he waited for an opening turning for home, got it but was just outmoved by a classy horse. What should he have done, waited on the inside like Gomez, who only got a seam when it was too late?

It's easy to pile on jockeys but more often than not it's unfair and this, in my opinion, is one of those cases.

NT

SCUDSBROTHER 07-16-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Willie Shoemaker being on that horse wouldn't have made a difference. Isaias Enriquez gave him a perfect ride and that's coming from someone who bet on him. He never went wide, he waited for an opening turning for home, got it but was just outmoved by a classy horse. What should he have done, waited on the inside like Gomez, who only got a seam when it was too late?

It's easy to pile on jockeys but more often than not it's unfair and this, in my opinion, is one of those cases.

NT

It's a results business. He had his chance, and twice came 2nd. They will switch. I am not saying he did anything wrong technically. He isn't getting to the wire 1st with the horse. That's not the result they want. Given a chance to get a top 2 jock, they will do it. They thought Black Mamba was getting good rides,too. They tried a top 2 jock, and got their result. Some people are better than others. To be honest, the horse would probably romp going shorter. They had him running 6 and 7f in Europe.

eajinabi 07-16-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Wow,if this isn't a case where they are tempted to switch jocks, then what is? I'm not saying he won't run 2nd the same way(again,) just saying you know Sadler would want to try Gomez. Funny, cuz the only reason this jock gets the mount (in the first place) is he is married to the owner's daughter....LOL..BIDNEZ IS BIDNEZ...I bet you see a jock change.

Actually Scuds, Enriquez rode him real nice just could not catch the winner. On the gallop out both dixie chatter and Mr . Keppel were troting even. I hope enriquez sticks on this horse as opposed to Gomez cause it will make be a huge differemce in odds next time out.

At least Kilderry wins for me but at a discounted 5-1 odds. He will be first/second choice next out in the next logical race (La Jolla handicap) BUT i believe a mile is his limit.

SCUDSBROTHER 07-16-2008 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi
Actually Scuds, Enriquez rode him real nice just could not catch the winner. On the gallop out both dixie chatter and Mr . Keppel were troting even. I hope enriquez sticks on this horse as opposed to Gomez cause it will make be a huge differemce in odds next time out.

At least Kilderry wins for me but at a discounted 5-1 odds. He will be first/second choice next out in the next logical race (La Jolla handicap) BUT i believe a mile is his limit.

Gomez or Bejarano can get that horse up. We aren't talking 2-3 lengths here. You make up this margin, and you get paid double. Got to switch. Your not gunna do worse, and (like I said) will probably get up. This is when you must upgrade(short margin losses.) They will change, or they won't get in the circle. Be sentimental, nice, etc., or get smart.

eajinabi 07-16-2008 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Gomez or Bejarano can get that horse up. We aren't talking 2-3 lengths here. You make up this margin, and you get paid double. Got to switch. Your not gunna do worse, and (like I said) will probably get up. This is when you must upgrade(short margin losses.) They will change, or they won't get in the circle. Be sentimental, nice, etc., or get smart.

Listening to Sadler's interview in the paddock gave me the notion he wants to bring Mr. Keppel into the big leauge. If his cards are played right, we might see im in the Oak tree mile and if he does well there then Breeders Cup.

10 pnt move up 07-18-2008 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
can anyone tell me if this is Let Us Prey's first US run?? I think he could be a huge runner on firm grass..

I am pretty sure if this horse had gotten in he would have won the oceanside, that was massive acceleration tonight.

my miss storm cat 07-18-2008 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by eajinabi

Mr. Keppel is a FOR SURE horse to watch

Was gonna post this on waiting for news on but will do so here instead.....

He was vanned off. Any word?

Scav 07-18-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by brockguy
can anyone tell me if this is Let Us Prey's first US run?? I think he could be a huge runner on firm grass..

Handing us yet another winner, and possible monster. Not sure what he beat, but he only ran for about a sixteenth of a mile. Del Mar Derby next according to Walsh

eajinabi 07-19-2008 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Handing us yet another winner, and possible monster. Not sure what he beat, but he only ran for about a sixteenth of a mile. Del Mar Derby next according to Walsh

Looked good winning. Smith had him corked real good behind horses and just swifted by them all. That being said, European horses are suspect to bounce second start in USA so a sure thing next out may not be in my mind. Depends on the field

my miss storm cat 07-19-2008 06:31 PM

Update, Del Mar barn notes.....

Mr Keppel, runner-up to Dixie Chatter in the second division of the Oceanside Stakes on Wednesday, is headed to Tommy Town Farm where he’ll be treated and possibly rehabbe-d for an injury to the tendon in his left foreleg suffered during the race …

http://www.dmtc.com/racinginfo/stabl...tml/080719.htm

eajinabi 07-19-2008 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by my miss storm cat
Update, Del Mar barn notes.....

Mr Keppel, runner-up to Dixie Chatter in the second division of the Oceanside Stakes on Wednesday, is headed to Tommy Town Farm where he’ll be treated and possibly rehabbe-d for an injury to the tendon in his left foreleg suffered during the race …

http://www.dmtc.com/racinginfo/stabl...tml/080719.htm

Thanks for the info. I am a fan of this horse. Wish him a fine recovery


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