DMR vs. SAR --- from a practical perspective
 

Being LAZY, and not being POLY phobic, I naturally would play the track that makes it the EASIEST for me to do so. Let's compare the NYRA and DMR websites:

DMR:

1) DMR webcams--Paddock Cam, PolyTrack Cam, Stable Cam

2) LIVE video

3) Race Replays


SAR (NYRA in General)

1) NADA
2) ZIP
3) We don't give a ****

There are links to video replays and live audio but they DON'T WORK.

Difficult choice

Though, I'll definitely be playing both (probably)

Why is NYRA SO FAR BEHIND THE TIMES? (And this is not about the bad positioning of their headon cameras for turf).

Del Mar might not be available to any ADW.

I'd like to see a VLT operator named first. Has it been 5 years in the making yet ? But that's another issue with New York State. The web cams seem easy enough.

While they certainly are behind the times, I imagine that the franchise question delayed any improvements/changes they were looking to make. I remain hopeful that steps will be taken in the future to better the product.

Del Mar has had the best track website in racing for quite a while.

how many different dm vs sar threads are we going to have on this site?

But NYRA has Serling doing Talkin horses one out of every five days and jason Blewitt 5 out of 5 so isnt it worth anything to you to earn on Serlings darkened form horses? Plus you get Jason expert opinion daily you do the math

No doubt, Serling is about as good as it gets when it comes to opinions and breaking down races. If it were up to me, he'd be doing the show 5 days a week; and solo. Blewitt, Jan, and the other guy typically get the muzzle from me.

If NYRA wants to get serious thay have to have passionate and informative people doing there shows. The replay stuff is great as well but that will all come if they start to listen to people like Serling and his type of player. Otherwise "heads" will continue to be the norm.. might as well put a hat on me and listen to my inane horse opinions with the crap they currently have on.

No doubt, from a players' standpoint, it would behoove NYRA, and other tracks, to solicit, and utilize, the opinions of 'professional' handicappers when it comes to things like camera angles for replays, qualifications of stewards and chart callers, etc.

But all this **** is just excuses. The turf sprints at BEL, for example, wouldn't presently be playing any easier if I had better quality replays with better angles, or more accurate charts. The game is tough, any way you cut it. It just would be nice to not have to do the XTRA work that one would typically expect the track to handle. Provide accurate data and make it easy to access this data. Anything more is gravy; anything less is just not enough.

As many as we need to.....It's the highlight of racing for many of us.

well, that's understandable--but could be kept neat and tidy in one thread, right?

NYRA still gives people free replays, you just can't access them through the NYRA website.

I don't know how true this is. This was working for a while but I believe Racereplays has discontinued it.

I watched NYRA races for free on the Race Replays website as recently as a week ago. Have you tried since?

It was discontinued a few days ago. Going to http://www.racereplays.com/nyra/

returns a message about the regulatory issues

I think it's time for me to sign up for a racereplays plan but the live streaming issue is distinct from it and I believe NYRA should be streaming its feed online.

Jan and the Donovan are fairly useless. Jason works hard and is often seen on the backstretch looking and talking about upcoming races with trainers. I agree Serling is very good a breaking down a race and I can learn alot from him as well as many guys like yourself. I just have a tough time with his style. Andy Beyer has said he was a know-it-all kid in Saratoga and grew up and became a know-it-all adult. The game is just too tough to approach wagering decisions with such certainity.

Beyer actually meant that as a compliment....but whatever. It certainly doesn't stop him from calling me every day to discuss the races.

Can't please everyone
 

Serling is one of the best


Del Mar vs Saratoga:
The contrasting surfaces dominate the comparison.

It certainly is very disappointing that New York has fallen behind other Major Tracks in providing Replays & Live Video.

DMR:

Parking: $6 ($8 opening day)
Admission: $6 ($10 opening day)
Clubhouse Admission: $10 ($20 opening day)

Saratoga:

Parking: FREE
Admission: $3
Clubhouse Admission: $5

Just shows what YOU know... :rolleyes: "Jan and the Donovan are fairly useless". Donovan is and has been the NYRA linemaker for the last 5-6 years.
And one of the most accurate linesmakers of ALL tracks.

Obviously, YOU don't understand what the "job" of a linesmaker is AND YOU don't watch the Talking Horses pre-race or YOU would realize Donovan often selects a horse DIFFERENT from ther horse he makes a the NYRA "morning-line favorite.

FWIIS, the NYRA handicappers are easily as good as the handicappers in the NY papers...TNYP and TheDN, and that includes DRF consensus picks in the DN.

Andy Serling, on the other hand, is a renown:D professional handicapper and a great addition to the NYRA program. But even Andy cannot breakdown every race and predict the winner for YOU:zz:

As usual, when it relates to ny racing, you don't know what you are talking about, "I believe NYRA should be streaming its feed online.[/quote]"

NYRA has NEVER been able to stream it's VIDEO on line. NEVER. Sound, YES, At one time. Video, NO.

NYS Wagering board has some regulatory issue that HAS PREVENTED NYRA from streaming their program. EVER.

Anyone with a "BRAIN":eek: would realize if they could, they would.

Darn. Why don't you tell me what you really think? Just my opinion. That's all. No need to get all worked up. I think I 've seen enough. I don't rely on those guys anyway. I do look into how they think a race sets up as there is always something I just haven't looked at. And I didn't say that Andy was anything but a very very good handicapper.

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NYRA has NEVER been able to stream it's VIDEO on line. NEVER. Sound, YES, At one time. Video, NO.

NYS Wagering board has some regulatory issue that HAS PREVENTED NYRA from streaming their program. EVER.

Anyone with a "BRAIN":eek: would realize if they could, they would.[/quote]
Man, you are a bit jumpy today. He was referring to the race replays that have been available free for quite some time that are now no longer available. Must have had a tough day.

oh, yes, I see. I get that ----- I think.
But I don't doubt he calls you. You have, apparently, had an innate ability to size up a race since you were a kid. I am serious now. I haven't been on this blog forever but very good handicappers here appreciate your wisdom. And I am certainly not one of those who I think are very good. I still have alot to learn about handicapping. But I enjoy it even when I'm not hitting them. I try to learn. I'll keep trying.

Show me a horseplayer that isn't always trying to learn, or thinks he ( or she ) knows everything, and I will show you a loser. That's one of the many things that makes the game so great.....there is always a ton to learn.

Thanks for that. You are right about that. And when the losing hits in Saratoga, whose races I always find very, very difficult to assess, there is always the Adelphi bar and porch to soothe my sensibilities. I really love the sport. Can't wait for Saratoga and I am excited to see Nafsger get in the hall with Richardson doing the presentation speech. Two truly classy guys it seems.

Andy Beyer calls you one the phone, what phone the Bat one?lol. Next you are going to BS us about knowing Crist.Maybe he calls you as well for ideas?? All you internet phonies ponies are the same.. I am from Missouri prove it!

Byk how long are you going to let this dribble go on without sensorship? Instead of Byk you should change your name to Schultz

I don't think you are aware of what you are talking about. Gawd knows I've had some go-arounds with Andy S. but he does know his stuff regarding the races. And he does know who he knows. Maybe he does know Crist. Maybe I know Haskins. Heck it isn't all that tough to know them. They don't walk around like celeb's. If you are at the track enough you will run into them. And, surprise/surprise, they will be friendly and connect with you. And he was responding to a quote from Andy Beyer about him that I had read previously. So relax and if it doesn't sound right to you, let it pass. That is a whole lot better than censorship. And excuse me but I don't think anyone needs to prove anything to anyone here. We all take what we find valuable and try to learn a bit more about the game. I am responding not to protect anyone but because what you are reacting to arises from a comment I made.

I always suspected you were an anti-semite.

LOL, oh no! Here we go! I think I better turn off instant email notification after that one.

Freddy's my friend....he's just kidding.

There you go speaking of your imaginery "friends" again. ;)

Like I said, I got alot to learn on here. lol

Obama called me today and asked who I like in the 1st race Handy..you know the one in Nov. Since we are flashing names about I am jumping on board too.

I am starting Jews for DrugS you want to join BTW?

Well, who do you like?

Obama is a big favorite with the books..oddly I like the dog from a betting perspective. I hope Obama wins but strangely I don't see americans voting for a man who's middle name is Hussein. Not that I have anything against muslim fundemental terrorists as some of my best friends are Muslims or is that gay I forget?? Anyway I would bet the dog and will vote for the favorite.. I have seen enough of the repub's for a while.

Yes.. The Repubs haven't done enough the last 8 years.. Let's let them finish the job... (Note to the MORONS who know who they are that always hide in the weeds to start firing the flames, Said with Tongue in Cheek)

We all look the same.

Yeah but do you hate them more than IEAH and Dutrow?