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parsixfarms 07-08-2008 11:55 AM

Gomez to Del Mar
 
After spending the past two summers in Saratoga, Garrett Gomez will be plying his trade in SoCal this summer: http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...-1s6holly.html

He also rode a lot of the Baffert horses. By going to Del Mar, is he telling us that we should not expect much from either Baffert or Pletcher up here.

The Indomitable DrugS 07-08-2008 11:59 AM

Yeah, maybe it's his way of flashing signals to the guy standing next to The Spyder a gesture which translates into 'bet the #7'

I'd rather try no to read too much into things jockeys or their agents do or say.

blackthroatedwind 07-08-2008 12:04 PM

It does have to reflect a fallout from Pletcher fall from dominance.

It's also old news.

hockey2315 07-08-2008 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It does have to reflect a fallout from Pletcher fall from dominance.

It's also old news.

I'm interested to see if he bounces back at Saratoga. . . could just be that he's pointing there.

NoLuvForPletch 07-08-2008 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
It does have to reflect a fallout from Pletcher fall from dominance.

It's also old news.

Does this mean I have to change my "handle"? I don't nearly find myself feeling as ill these days when it comes to TAP...

dalakhani 07-08-2008 01:00 PM

In most cases you probably wouldnt pay attention but this is Garrett Gomez the leading money winner the last few years and his agent is the biggest name in his field.

Sadler is winning everything in sight right now in So Cal and Gomez is without question his first call guy. Even with the fewer horses out there, it seems that Gomez has more opportunites because he is in so many of the top barns. Correct me if im wrong, but in the east it seems like it got to the point he would ride for a lot of good barns but he wasnt getting anyone's best horses consistently.

and yes, it does seem as if Pletcher is having a really bad year. BTW, do you think this is a one year thing or a longterm deal?

CSC 07-08-2008 01:20 PM

He's running alot of horses at Arlington also, on some days he will have more horses running there than in N.Y. That speaks volumes also.

Certainly he and Frankel have come back to earth from their eclispe winning days as all world trainers. Just what the reason for that, that they have in common for their fall back into reality is anyone's guess.

NoLuvForPletch 07-08-2008 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
In most cases you probably wouldnt pay attention but this is Garrett Gomez the leading money winner the last few years and his agent is the biggest name in his field.

Sadler is winning everything in sight right now in So Cal and Gomez is without question his first call guy. Even with the fewer horses out there, it seems that Gomez has more opportunites because he is in so many of the top barns. Correct me if im wrong, but in the east it seems like it got to the point he would ride for a lot of good barns but he wasnt getting anyone's best horses consistently.

and yes, it does seem as if Pletcher is having a really bad year. BTW, do you think this is a one year thing or a longterm deal?

He's got no more Melnyk, right? And for whatever reason it doesn't seem like the Smith, Tabor, Mangier team is spending the tens of millions on stock it has in the past. No super stock, the super CEO becomes mortal.

asudevil 07-08-2008 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
After spending the past two summers in Saratoga, Garrett Gomez will be plying his trade in SoCal this summer: http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports...-1s6holly.html

He also rode a lot of the Baffert horses. By going to Del Mar, is he telling us that we should not expect much from either Baffert or Pletcher up here.

CA. is his home. He has 4 children. This factors into the decision.

-BT- 07-08-2008 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil
CA. is his home. He has 3 children. This factors into the decision.


also, cheaper gas over the boarder in mexico:eek:
-bt-

asudevil 07-08-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
also, cheaper gas over the boarder in mexico:eek:
-bt-

5.15 for premium in SoCal

ALostTexan 07-08-2008 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil
CA. is his home. He has 4 children. This factors into the decision.

Maybe he will come back to Tucson, his birthplace, and pick up a few mounts during the final season at Rillito Park next spring...

Bobby Fischer 07-08-2008 02:24 PM

maybe this is a subliminal diss from Johnny V

SCUDSBROTHER 07-08-2008 02:36 PM

Maybe he prefers the ocean to the hot-sauna in the rain forest. Look, we have 2 good riders out here(Rosario, and Bejarano,) and Rosario has problems on chalk. He either gets tight on them ,or simply takes them back, and waits until it's far too late to win. It's the same result(betting-wise it doesn't really matter why he does it.) Fact is, he has his eye on the oddsboard. He is simply a better rider on a 6/1-9/1 horse than he is on chalk. That leaves Bejarano and Gomez. There is no way I would trust Rosario to ride a horse who is chalk. There is a lot of money to be made at TOGA, but there are a lot of good riders there trying to get it.

Coach Pants 07-08-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Maybe he prefers the ocean to the hot-sauna in the rain forest. Look, we have 2 good riders out here(Rosario, and Bejarano,) and Rosario has problems on chalk. He either gets tight on them ,or simply takes them back, and waits until it's far too late to win. It's the same result(betting-wise it doesn't really matter why he does it.) Fact is, he has his eye on the oddsboard. He is simply a better rider on a 6/1-9/1 horse than he is on chalk. That leaves Bejarano and Gomez. There is no way I would trust Rosario to ride a horse who is chalk. There is a lot of money to be made at TOGA, but there are a lot of good riders there trying to get it.

I'm also looking for Nakatani to wake up from his 8 month coma.

dalakhani 07-08-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Maybe he prefers the ocean to the hot-sauna in the rain forest. Look, we have 2 good riders out here(Rosario, and Bejarano,) and Rosario has problems on chalk. He either gets tight on them ,or simply takes them back, and waits until it's far too late to win. It's the same result(betting-wise it doesn't really matter why he does it.) Fact is, he has his eye on the oddsboard. He is simply a better rider on a 6/1-9/1 horse than he is on chalk. That leaves Bejarano and Gomez. There is no way I would trust Rosario to ride a horse who is chalk. There is a lot of money to be made at TOGA, but there are a lot of good riders there trying to get it.

Agree.

But that Rosario sure can ride cant he?

freddymo 07-08-2008 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
I'm interested to see if he bounces back at Saratoga. . . could just be that he's pointing there.

I am sure he would like to bounce back at any track right now.. Unfortunately his stock doesn't seem to have that little extra "something something", that used to have them streaming off TV screens across the country. In fact they look as DrugS likes to say like Dog Biscuits..It is pretty obvious Mr. P has lost his best friend...When he finds him again it will be LOUD AND CLEAR TO ALL............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .......And Horses will start inexplicably dying again.

freddymo 07-08-2008 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
He's got no more Melnyk, right? And for whatever reason it doesn't seem like the Smith, Tabor, Mangier team is spending the tens of millions on stock it has in the past. No super stock, the super CEO becomes mortal.

He has at least for now great owners with very deep pockets.. the stock is the same the names(drugs) have been changed to protect the innocent

SentToStud 07-08-2008 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I am sure he would like to bounce back at any track right now.. Unfortunately his stock doesn't seem to have that little extra "something something", that used to have them streaming off TV screens across the country. In fact they look as DrugS likes to say like Dog Biscuits..It is pretty obvious Mr. P has lost his best friend...When he finds him again it will be LOUD AND CLEAR TO ALL............................................... .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .......And Horses will start inexplicably dying again.

t doesn't help that he's trying to win major races with the likes of Fairbanks and AP Arrow instead of Rags and Wait a While.

freddymo 07-08-2008 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
t doesn't help that he's trying to win major races with the likes of Fairbanks and AP Arrow instead of Rags and Wait a While.

The guy goes thru stock like a hot knife thru butter..

Cannon Shell 07-08-2008 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
Does this mean I have to change my "handle"? I don't nearly find myself feeling as ill these days when it comes to TAP...

NoLuvfor Ass?

Cannon Shell 07-08-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan
Maybe he will come back to Tucson, his birthplace, and pick up a few mounts during the final season at Rillito Park next spring...

Rillito is closing?

GPK 07-08-2008 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
NoLuvfor Ass?


I laughed:tro:

SCUDSBROTHER 07-08-2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
Agree.

But that Rosario sure can ride cant he?

Oh hell yea, he CANride.That's why his questionable efforts on chalk stand out (like a sore thumb.) Most the horses he rides, he has in position to win. If he doesn't have the horse, then what can he do? Then he has some of these chalk horses hopelessly out of position from the start of the race, and it stands out.

-BT- 07-08-2008 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Maybe he prefers the ocean to the hot-sauna in the rain forest. Look, we have 2 good riders out here(Rosario, and Bejarano,) and Rosario has problems on chalk. He either gets tight on them ,or simply takes them back, and waits until it's far too late to win. It's the same result(betting-wise it doesn't really matter why he does it.) Fact is, he has his eye on the oddsboard. He is simply a better rider on a 6/1-9/1 horse than he is on chalk. That leaves Bejarano and Gomez. There is no way I would trust Rosario to ride a horse who is chalk. There is a lot of money to be made at TOGA, but there are a lot of good riders there trying to get it.


i beg to differ, you have 1 good rider out there.... Bejarano (and Baze if you wanna count No Cal), and even he (Bejarano) came from back east. The only reason why Rosario Dawson is 2nd in the standings is b/c he competes against the Baze twins, John Court and Joe Talamo.

It will be interesting too see how much Gomez takes away from Bejarano's mounts at Del Mar, Frankel likes them both so.....

as for Rosario... i'd rather have Channing Hill and a coke any day of the week

-bt-

parsixfarms 07-08-2008 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
i beg to differ, you have 1 good rider out there.... Bejarano (and Baze if you wanna count No Cal), and even he (Bejarano) came from back east. The only reason why Rosario Dawson is 2nd in the standings is b/c he competes against the Baze twins, John Court and Joe Talamo.

It will be interesting too see how much Gomez takes away from Bejarano's mounts at Del Mar, Frankel likes them both so.....

as for Rosario... i'd rather have Channing Hill and a coke any day of the week

-bt-

The riding colony in Southern California is horse racing's version of the "Island of Misfit Toys."

NoLuvForPletch 07-08-2008 04:23 PM

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i beg to differ, you have 1 good rider out there.... Bejarano (and Baze if you wanna count No Cal), and even he (Bejarano) came from back east. The only reason why Rosario Dawson is 2nd in the standings is b/c he competes against the Baze twins, John Court and Joe Talamo.

It will be interesting too see how much Gomez takes away from Bejarano's mounts at Del Mar, Frankel likes them both so.....

as for Rosario... i'd rather have Channing Hill and a coke any day of the week

-bt-

Wow...I thought her acting career was going pretty well.

Antitrust32 07-08-2008 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan
Maybe he will come back to Tucson, his birthplace, and pick up a few mounts during the final season at Rillito Park next spring...


he was born in Nogalas I think...

Antitrust32 07-08-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Rillito is closing?


:eek: That is horrible!

SCUDSBROTHER 07-08-2008 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by -BT-
i beg to differ, you have 1 good rider out there.... Bejarano (and Baze if you wanna count No Cal), and even he (Bejarano) came from back east. The only reason why Rosario Dawson is 2nd in the standings is b/c he competes against the Baze twins, John Court and Joe Talamo.

It will be interesting too see how much Gomez takes away from Bejarano's mounts at Del Mar, Frankel likes them both so.....

as for Rosario... i'd rather have Channing Hill and a coke any day of the week

-bt-

I fail to see why it's important where Bejarano came from. I guess if you want to say where it'd be from it'd Peru. He and Gomez will be dividing up the best horses, and Rosario will keep bringing in the horses that other people can't bring in. Then, he will not be able to bring in horses Delgadillo can bring in. Un huh...Un huh...

asudevil 07-08-2008 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I fail to see why it's important where Bejarano came from. I guess if you want to say where it'd be from it'd Peru. He and Gomez will be dividing up the best horses, and Rosario will keep bringing in the horses that other people can't bring in. Then, he will not be able to bring in horses Delgadillo can bring in. Un huh...Un huh...

What about Omar?

declansharbor 07-08-2008 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by asudevil
What about Omar?

That young hopper Kenard clapped his a$$...

-BT- 07-08-2008 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
I fail to see why it's important where Bejarano came from. I guess if you want to say where it'd be from it'd Peru. He and Gomez will be dividing up the best horses, and Rosario will keep bringing in the horses that other people can't bring in. Then, he will not be able to bring in horses Delgadillo can bring in. Un huh...Un huh...


my point is, that Gomez can race against tougher jocks and not be the first call guy on everything back east, where the jockey colony is deep. Or he can go to So Cal and compete with Bejarano for all the best mounts..... I guess in the end, my point is the left coast jockey colony is not that good and i can understand why he's headed back out there.

Then, he will not be able to bring in horses Delgadillo can bring in. and i i know what you mean about that one, i also had Rosario in that race last weekend as well

alysheba4 07-08-2008 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
The riding colony in Southern California is horse racing's version of the "Island of Misfit Toys."

......just think back to the mid to late eighties.....mccarron, pincay, eddie d, shoe, stevens, p val........wow, its bad now.

10 pnt move up 07-08-2008 05:08 PM

Does anyone seriously think he is leaving because he just aint making the money out east? This is strictly a family, comfort of living move. I am sure he can clear 10 million a year out east with or without pletcher having a great year, how is he doing so far this year with pletcher down?

asudevil 07-08-2008 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up
Does anyone seriously think he is leaving because he just aint making the money out east? This is strictly a family, comfort of living move. I am sure he can clear 10 million a year out east with or without pletcher having a great year, how is he doing so far this year with pletcher down?

Spot on.

herkhorse 07-08-2008 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ALostTexan
Maybe he will come back to Tucson, his birthplace, and pick up a few mounts during the final season at Rillito Park next spring...

For most of us "spring" does not start in Feb., but if Rillito is closing, that's too bad.

Coach Pants 07-08-2008 05:32 PM

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Spot on.

Uh he's not clearing 10 million a year.

asudevil 07-08-2008 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Uh he's not clearing 10 million a year.

It was more the family part and living conditions....the number is a little ambitious.

10 pnt move up 07-08-2008 05:46 PM

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Uh he's not clearing 10 million a year.

in purses, but I think you knew that.


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