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Kasept 07-02-2008 02:43 PM

Jones runner, pony target of release
 
http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/45957.htm

Some people are going out of their way to torment Larry and Cindy Jones. A thoroughbred was let out of a stall one night and the next, the huge stable pony (a Paint/Belguin mix) was released and seemingly fed something designed to sicken him.

This may or may not have been Eight Belles related, but Jones has said that he and Cindy have received the most vile hate mail and phone calls imaginable the last 2 months, and it hasn't abated much.

There are some serious nutbars out there folks..

blackthroatedwind 07-02-2008 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

There are some serious nutbars out there folks..


Chances are anyone that reads the posts here already knows that.

geeker2 07-02-2008 03:11 PM

"The person we feel has been responsible has been ruled off the racetrack"


They should do more to him than rule him off the track..Tony Soprano where are you.....

sumitas 07-02-2008 03:17 PM

Wasn't one of his horses sponged before this employee was hired ? Then after the Derby he has the positive and now this. I hope this is the end of it but only time will tell.

azerica 07-02-2008 03:51 PM

I tell you this, if I ever caught anyone intentionally hurting any of my fur children [term includes scales, feathers and fins] then they will not make it to the "ruled offtrack" stage.:mad:

deltagulf 07-02-2008 04:08 PM

well maybe the jones should have security around the barn untill this gets solved.

docicu3 07-02-2008 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
"The person we feel has been responsible has been ruled off the racetrack"


They should do more to him than rule him off the track..Tony Soprano where are you.....


Are you a complete moron or just out on parole????? The Jones's aren't responsible for animal abuse!!!! Jesus tap dancing Christ...get a grip!!

geeker2 07-02-2008 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Are you a complete moron or just out on parole????? The Jones's aren't responsible for animal abuse!!!! Jesus tap dancing Christ...get a grip!!


WTF are you talking about?

Scav 07-02-2008 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Are you a complete moron or just out on parole????? The Jones's aren't responsible for animal abuse!!!! Jesus tap dancing Christ...get a grip!!

Doc, lay off the meds my friend, he was talking about the guy that did this...

geeker2 07-02-2008 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Doc, lay off the meds my friend, he was talking about the guy that did this...


LOL...thanks Scav.

Cannon Shell 07-02-2008 04:38 PM

Is there a reason that Jones refused to hire a competent night watchman?

RolloTomasi 07-02-2008 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by deltagulf
well maybe the jones should have security around the barn untill this gets solved.

Or at least a nightwatchman...unless of course, that is who got fired.

As far as the pony being poisoned, once it was loose in the shedrow it could have gotten into any number of things on its own that would irritate and blister its mouth.

geeker2 07-02-2008 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Is there a reason that Jones refused to hire a competent night watchman?


Because they just opened a Wal-Mart near the Delaware Track and all the good ones were taken? :D

Cannon Shell 07-02-2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
Because they just opened a Wal-Mart near the Delaware Track and all the good ones were taken? :D

Walmart has that great health plan

docicu3 07-02-2008 04:45 PM

[quote=geeker2]"The person we feel has been responsible has been ruled off the racetrack"

Reads to me like the Jones's are being run off the racetrack as in these horrible things will keep happening to them which is why I said what I said after having another doc read the thing and ask him what he thought......he drew the same conclusion.

If I was wrong great, I apologize. It just floored me that someone would actually blame the current hysteria on Larry Jones who the 2-3 times I have spoken to him as a perfect stranger couldn't have been more affable and kind.
It is criminal what is happening to him and his wife.

tiggerv 07-02-2008 04:45 PM

This guy is available.


geeker2 07-02-2008 04:57 PM

[quote=docicu3]
Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2
"The person we feel has been responsible has been ruled off the racetrack"

Reads to me like the Jones are being run off the racetrack as in these horrible things will keep happening to them which is why I said what I said after having another doc read the thing and ask him what he thought......he drew the same conclusion.

If I was wrong great, I apologize. It just floored me that someone would actually blame the current hysteria on Larry Jones who the 2-3 times I have spoken to him as a perfect stranger couldn't have been more affable and kind.
It is criminal what is happening to him and his wife.


“The person we feel has been responsible has been ruled off the racetrack,” said Jones. “It was an employee of mine, but we are not going to call names.”

I may choose not to have your friend the doctor operate on me....:D

apology accepted.

docicu3 07-02-2008 05:04 PM

[quote=geeker2]
Quote:

Originally Posted by docicu3


“The person we feel has been responsible has been ruled off the racetrack,” said Jones. “It was an employee of mine, but we are not going to call names.”

I may choose not to have your friend the doctor operate on me....:D

apology accepted.


Good Thing he's a pathologist so if he is operating then your a patient in a morgue.:D

RolloTomasi 07-02-2008 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by docicu3
Reads to me like the Jones are being run off the racetrack as in these horrible things will keep happening to them which is why I said what I said after having another doc read the thing and ask him what he thought......he drew the same conclusion.

...what did he draw it with, a crayon? Actually, given your reading comprehension skills, I'd gather that the other "Doc" was none other than that kid from "The Shining", you know, the one with the imaginary friend that lived in his mouth that spelled out "Red Rum" in the mirror.

In that case, I guess he used a tube of his mom's lipstick...

Quote:

It just floored me that someone would actually blame the current hysteria on Larry Jones who the 2-3 times I have spoken to him as a perfect stranger couldn't have been more affable and kind.
Yeah, we could all be a little more affable and kind. Typically, when I speak to perfect strangers, I just assume they are "complete morons" or "just out on parole" and tell them as much...

geeker2 07-02-2008 05:17 PM

[quote=docicu3]
Quote:

Originally Posted by geeker2


Good Thing he's a pathologist so if he is operating your a patient in a morgue.:D


:) :) :)

Rupert Pupkin 07-02-2008 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
http://news.bloodhorse.com/article/45957.htm

Some people are going out of their way to torment Larry and Cindy Jones. A thoroughbred was let out of a stall one night and the next, the huge stable pony (a Paint/Belguin mix) was released and seemingly fed something designed to sicken him.

This may or may not have been Eight Belles related, but Jones has said that he and Cindy have received the most vile hate mail and phone calls imaginable the last 2 months, and it hasn't abated much.

There are some serious nutbars out there folks..

Why would you say it may or may not have have been Eight Belles related? The article says it is clearly not Eight Belles related. It says that they believe a disgruntled employee was responsible.

To quote from the article, "Jones is confident he is not the target of other horsemen or activists."

The employee has been fired.

To insinuate that animal right's activists could have possibly been responsible is absurd. I know it would have made a better story if animal right's activists were involved. However, that is not the case.

Rupert Pupkin 07-02-2008 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I don't think it's absurd to at least explore the possibility that some radical animal right's activists had something to do with it or would do something like it. As we all have seen, it's certainly not beyond them and if Jones and his family have been getting threats.....

There is no evidence that any animal right's group was involved. They are not even looking into the possibility. Jones and Delaware Park have much more information about the incident than you or I. If the people(Jones and Dealware Park) closest to the invetigation have no reason to believe that animal right's activists were involved, why would you think so?

If they didn't know who do this, and they thought it was possible that animal right's activists were responsible, then I think it would be fair to speculate that it could have been animal right's people. But that is not the case.

Coach Pants 07-02-2008 06:01 PM

Yeah there has to be more to it than a disgruntled employee who more than likely has drug problems. That kind of worker is rare on the backside.

Kasept 07-02-2008 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin
Why would you say it may or may not have have been Eight Belles related? The article says it is clearly not Eight Belles related. It says that they believe a disgruntled employee was responsible.

To quote from the article, "Jones is confident he is not the target of other horsemen or activists."

The employee has been fired.

To insinuate that animal right's activists could have possibly been responsible is absurd. I know it would have made a better story if animal right's activists were involved. However, that is not the case.

I guess it's a matter of perspective... I did say 'may or may not'. He's had death threats directed at him and his wife. It's absurd to think there are people out there, besides the likely disgruntled employee, that would like to hurt the Joneses or things they care about? I don't think so.

cowgirlintexas 07-02-2008 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Chances are anyone that reads the posts here already knows that.

This must have been the quote that made Steve crack up today on ATR..:p

Rupert Pupkin 07-02-2008 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
I guess it's a matter of perspective... I did say 'may or may not'. He's had death threats directed at him and his wife. It's absurd to think there are people out there, besides the likely disgruntled employee, that would like to hurt the Joneses or things they care about? I don't think so.

I think it would be reasonable for us to consider animal right's activists as possible culprits if we didn't know who was responsible for the incident.

Rupert Pupkin 07-02-2008 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Did you do the detective work there? How do you know what they are looking into and not looking into? I know this probably never happens, but maybe the detectives are looking into things and not talking about it with the press?

No, I didn't do any detectice work. I am relying on Jones and the authorities at Delaware Park to do the detective work. From reading the article, it sounds like their investigation is proceeding smoothly. I don't think that you or I would be of much help to them.

Do you think that maybe we should call them up and tell them not to close the investigation too quickly because we think it is possible that others may be involved?

Strategic Mission 07-02-2008 06:23 PM

Every barn should require security cameras. No exceptions. Even if they aren't working people are going to be much less likely to do stuff if they think they might be on camera.

In this country though, if you are an illegal, they will just send you home so you can come back in. At the taxpayers expense, of course. Now if you are one of the few americans that work on the backstretch, watch out. They will throw you in jail and prosecute you. What a country this has become.

paisjpq 07-02-2008 06:31 PM

I think some gy who did the same thing at Churchill recently got jail time...read something about it in last weeks paper, can't remember the details but one of the horses he let out had to be euthanized.

Kasept 07-02-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq
I think some gy who did the same thing at Churchill recently got jail time...read something about it in last weeks paper, can't remember the details but one of the horses he let out had to be euthanized.

Tom Proctor the victim in that one, and owner of horse apparently suing him over it.. :rolleyes:

The guy who did it had worked for everyone and been fired by everyone.. including Chuck. Cherie fired him.

Cannon Shell 07-02-2008 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Strategic Mission
Every barn should require security cameras. No exceptions. Even if they aren't working people are going to be much less likely to do stuff if they think they might be on camera.

In this country though, if you are an illegal, they will just send you home so you can come back in. At the taxpayers expense, of course. Now if you are one of the few americans that work on the backstretch, watch out. They will throw you in jail and prosecute you. What a country this has become.

They would have to have night vision lenses to have been effective in this case

Cannon Shell 07-02-2008 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
Tom Proctor the victim in that one, and owner of horse apparently suing him over it.. :rolleyes:

The guy who did it had worked for everyone and been fired by everyone.. including Chuck. Cherie fired him.

He tried to turn hacker craft loose...but Hacker was too lazy to bother

GPK 07-02-2008 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He tried to turn hacker craft loose...but Hacker was too lazy to bother


It was me...I was trying to steal him. Let me know when you send him to Portland Meadows and drop him into a $2kN3L

sumitas 07-03-2008 01:38 PM

Animal Rights groups would not set a horse loose. The groups are safety minded, not a threat to animals.

paisjpq 07-03-2008 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
Animal Rights groups would not set a horse loose. The groups are safety minded, not a threat to animals.


is that why they let lab animals go?

Pedigree Ann 07-04-2008 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
Animal Rights groups would not set a horse loose. The groups are safety minded, not a threat to animals.

Many think animals should be free from human control and don't think through the logical consequences thereof. Horses running into traffic, etc.

One certainly tried to set loose a blind person's seeing eye dog; unclipped its leash while it was sitting next its person and told it to go be free. Dog looked at the perp with suspicion and stayed where it was. "Wassamatta, lady, can't you see I've got a job to do?" Had this gem from a legally blind but partially sighted board buddy who has a guide dog herself. Leaving a blind human helpless is no problem for them.

FGFan 07-04-2008 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas
Animal Rights groups would not set a horse loose. The groups are safety minded, not a threat to animals.

:eek: :D

The animal rights nuts are always setting aimals free, happens all the time at the primate research lab here. They also bomb humans.

How do you think they get all their undercover footage. Someone comes in and poses as a worker gets footage and exploits it.
I personally believe there is already undercover footage being taken by PETA and HSUS at tracks. Just google all their undercover investigations.

sumitas 07-04-2008 01:39 PM

If there are under cover investigations that is a good thing, imo. Setting horses loose is not acceptable regardless of who is responsible.


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