Very impressive 2yo at HP
 

S.S. Stone, in the 9th at HP today.

Well worth watching.

He's a smallish son of birdstone that cost 160k and won in 103.77. I really like the way he extended himself once he pushed through that hole.

Finished great! To do it up the rail like that first time is pretty rare no?

my friend said the street cry ran huge for third.... i did not see it ?

The outside horse out of the full to Ashado looked home free. The winner ran a monster race.

I didn't notice much about the third horse other than he was maybe in last early on.

I think the runner up is a better horse and started to pull himself up.

Where did you come up with 160K from?

He was a 135K yearling that RNA'd for 300K at FT Feb.

Surprised he didn't go to Nick Zito. As he's owned by LePenta and Zito obviously trained the sire Birdstone.

Yes, poor start, but nice move off the turn from way back. Big stride. A nice horse, but very green.

thank you, im going to go watch the replay now.

That is strange - bred by Marylou Whitney, too. I didn't even realize that LaPenta had horses stabled out there.

Yup, 135k. I was being inundated with PIP bets for the day and my brain froze.

Speightstown baby, right? Any early number on his babies? That one looked home free for sure.

I hate giving labels on horses who win FT impressively. I will determine after 3-4 races afterm if the horse is the real deal. We saw a flop in Mr. Mistofelees as the 1-5 fav.

The next time SS STONE runs I am betting against cause he is going to be way overbet. If O'neil is smart I would put this horse in an ALW NX1 next out instead in 2 yo Stakes.

ss stone was ok, the leader kinda quit allowing ss stone to surge and get up...
i am intigued by the third place finisher, def. now awesome like my friend said, but he made up a ton of ground, should love the stretchout

LOL! The third place finisher will be a plodder. Yes he ran a fast third but did you see how much espimiza was pushing him? He responded but he is another bet against for me next out.

I'm not sure if they even bother writing first condition allowance races for 2yos in SoCal anymore.

Depending on the scheduling, he'll show up next in either the Hollywood Juvenile or Best Pal or both...

The overbet horse next out will be Street Hero...if he shows up in another maiden...given his trainer, he may show up in a stakes as well...

Be wary of debuters that break slow. He may break much sharper next time, and be very close to the pace. Given his bullet works (a 3f in :33+ even!), he could have some front-running ability. You may actually see him tire down the lane next out.

As far as the quality of the field, a good barometer (and actually an example of what I mentioned above) is Nochangenweather, who was 4th beaten 4 lengths after rallying smartly around the far turn before entering the stretch very wide and hanging down the lane. He ran similarly in his debut, finishing 5th beaten 3 by some other O'Neill horse. Next out, he broke running and was gunned to the lead where he set testing fractions, got away from a pace rival into the stretch before hitting a brick wall and again finished 5th beaten 3. I forget who won that race, but obviously, none of the colts from those maiden races have done anything to suggest they are a standout amongst the CA division. That Pete Miller horse that won the little stakes race probably still has to be considered the top.

I saw the race as well and was impressed wiht the winner, showed a nice burst of acceleration it looked like esp being down on the rail Pretty goodshow for a 1st out i think.

Track didn't favor that kind of move (that Street Hero made.) That's exactly the way Street Boss looked last year on days that didn't favor deep stuff. Then he started laying closer to the lead, and that's what made him so improved(he made the same big move, but from closer up.) The track favored the horses who finished top 2 in the last. It seemed to favor stuff just off the front today. Like the winner of the last did.Street Hero showed too much talent to say he won't be good. He is good. It's gunna come down to whether somebody wants to make an offer to these people. If a top trainer gets him, then he could be really nice. With these connections, he will be allowance, or nibble in stakes. The guy training him just can't get it done in big spots. Maybe he doesn't cheat etc., and almost all the other top trainers out here do. I would never play the trainer at less than 10-1. Hope they sell him.

Since when is 'impressive' that burdensome of a label?

It's not like I proclaimed him the next Bernardini that's going to win the BC Juvi then sweep the triple crown.

The leader quit?

After going like five wide, he ran the 5th furlong in 11 and change and then spit the bit, coming home in a paltry 6 or 6.1.

That wasn't exactly glacial.

I just went back and keyed in on the third place finisher. That horse seems to have a lot of upside, as he ran like he was retarded for most of the race.

I'd probably wait on that horse to bet him. Maybe after another start or once he goes two turns.

Well the next time Street Hero runs in a 3F race, let me know. I am betting my paycheck on him.

The stakes are alw nx1. Everyone's only broken their maidens. It's only June.

The Pete Miller horse (Backbackbackgone) will be on the shelf for a little while. He's got a shin. He should be back in a few months.

Is there a large son of Birdstone anywhere? Here is a thought get a English Channel filly and breed her to Birdstone maybe you could get the fastest pony in land?

That's a shame. Good luck to him then. He'll be next year's Sea of Pleasure...

Instead of pointing for the Del Mar Futurity, they can point for the Hollywood Futurity in December.

Think he'll route, especially off a layoff?

I'd target the San Miguel or if he's ready, the Prevue and wouldn't hold my breath beyond anything else. A more conservative approach like the one used on Bob Black Jack would probably be more prudent. Of course, despite this, look how that turned out...

I wasn't suggesting that his first race back would be the Hollywood Futurity. He'll probably be back by Oak Tree. He'll probably have time for two preps before the Futurity.

That makes sense, too. Mostly I'm sidestepping the issue that he doesn't appear bred to route, but anything possible when they're just 2yos. Precocity goes a long way (no pun intended)...

He's by Put It Back and he's out of a Defrere mare. I don't know much about Defrere. He is by Deputy Minister out of a Secretariat mare.

I don't exactly how far Backbackbackgone wants to run but I don't see any reason why he couldn't get 1 1/16 miles.

Defrere was a full brother to Dehere ('Defrere' means 'brother' in France, 'Garscon' means 'boy').

Put It Back's best horses are sprinters, though a case could be made that Lost In The Fog, given his victories over 7f, could handle a middle distance had he been given a chance. Plus that Clement horse that won the Bing Crosby might have won one of those two turn Florida Stallion Series races as a baby. Not sure if Smokey Stover went beyond 6.5f in his career.

Still, the Pete Miller factor has me guessing he either won't stay, or simply, won't stay sound...

Lost in the Fog was by Lost Soldier.

Yeah, but he had the same connections as Smokey Stover, so my point is still invalid.

At least cancer isn't high on the list as to why this horse won't make it anymore.

Gilchrist and the late Aleo do have a nice undefeated filly in High Resolve by Put It Back.

Hey Byrn is by Put It Back. He has won at both 1 1/8 miles and 1 3/16 miles. I really think Backbackbackgone will be able to get at least 1 1/16 miles. I don't know if you belive in dosage at all. His dosage index is 3.00.

Yeah. That's true. What happened to that horse? Did he run in the Preakness?

Maybe if DaHoss puts a picture up of Hey Byrn as his avatar me and JCNickLacheybackstreet can get in synch and figure it out...

I am not impressed by Street Hero. Yes he makes impressive moves but they last for a furloung at best. Espinoza probaly moved to early yet this horse burned money for three in a row

Rollo you were wrong about this horse.I watched him one time(jcs11204 wanted to know about him,) and told you he was good. You said to beware etc., but you can't do what he did 1st time without being really good. He overcame the mediocre trainer to take the Norfolk. I don't know why somebody hasn't bought him from this guy.

Plodder took the grade 1.