Dutrow running one off 2 days rest
 

Monmouth race 7: #2 Unrequited

Ran Friday at Belmont

Interesting.........

Spyder

if it runs, shades of the great Oscar Barrera

Broke down about one furlong into the race! What's he say about not having horses break down?

This will be good to hear what he was thinking about running a horse twice in three days.

Spyder

Lovely.

Are you serious?
This is ample PETA fodder and rightfully so.

Not to mention that the horse also worked 3 times since the 13th of June. My guess is that he tried passing off that the horse was sound with all the works and 2nd race in 2 days and maybe someone would claim him.

Yep...

Flying high in May and shot down in June.......

He's becoming an Amy Winehouse wannabe

Spyder

Did he actually break down or did he just pull up? I didn't see the race. The chart says that he was pulled up and vanned off. Did it look like he broke something?

I could not tell from the vidoe but was right in front of the race and was pulled up very fast and looked to be in trouble as it happened.

Anyway to find out for sure what happened?

Spyder

He and Barry Abrams do that often

Yes, I will find out. It may take a day or two but I will post it in this thread when I find out.

Broke a back leg.

Isn't Monmouth a layer of dirt over a slab of concrete?

Personally this bothers me a lot more than any of his other issues. If you run a horse back off of one days rest and it breaks down you should take 100% of the blame. Being reckless with the life of the horse is unforgivable. This is a disgrace.

Would seem the one thing you would most want to make sure doesn't happen. That's why I am surprised he ran back on a hard(fast) speed favoring surface like that.

The surface is immaterial. Surfaces take a whole lot more blame than they should because they cant argue back. 95% of breakdowns has nothing to do with surface.

WTF, when are these guys going to be held responsible? All they ever seem to get is a slap on the wrist.:wf

Do you really think he cares? I personally think he knew that the horse had holes in him and tried to pass him on to someone else. No one bit and I am guessing the poor horse had to be put down. But I guess that there will be no mention of this between the Grade 1 and the posible pending suspention. But Contessa is the jerkoff. The whole thing just sucks.

Nothing will happen. Nothing happens because as the Bid says, Dutrow has the magic wand and the owners lust after that. The horses, fans, game, rules be damned. I usually try let people understand the other side of the coin, from a trainers point of view. A lot of times there is outrage over things that simply arent as big of a deal as they are made out to be. Sometimes things are misinterpreted. But this is wrong on so many levels. Letting horses run back on 1 days rest is a questionable practice by the tracks/stewards. But ultimately the trainer and owner is responsible for the horses well being. This situation is really hard to reason away. A guy hitting a horse in the face caused an unbelievably negative response. This is so much worse than that...

Chuck, Is there a rule that the track/stewards have that they could have enfored not letting him run the horse? Or because it is Dutrow and Monmouth wants him to have a stable there, they pretty much let him do what he wants?

If Jeremy Rose got 6 months for essentially "animal abuse," as the Delaware Park stewards called it, what was this? Of course, hard to do something when the State Vet presumably OK'd the horse to race.

Let's not forget that Dutrow is the same trainer who ran Golden Man in stakes on consecutive days at Monmouth and Delaware a few years ago. That horse was never the same afterwards.

The tracks have to look at this situation. I know that someone will come out and say that it is their horse, they can run him whenever they want, etc. But this almost never works out well. It is a bad situation for bettors also. Were the pp's from Fridays race in the form? Regardless of whether or not the horse breaks down, there needs to be some kind of standard. If the pp's cant make it into the form, the horse should not be allowed to run.

The state vets on most occasions are not very sharp. Not to mention the fact that a quick prerace look at a horse you have never seen before isnt going to show much unless the issue is obvious.

My point was that it would be hard to penalize a guy for running an unfit/unsound horse, because the association would have egg on its own face (cursory look by its vet was ineffectual). That's why we always hear that it's just "an unfortunate part of the game" when a breakdown occurs.

By the way, Dutrow and Asmussen are now tied for one positive and one breakdown in the past week alone.

Consecutive days? Wow..

PPs were in DRF, except there was no BSF for the race. I'm not sure what the reporting period is for DRF's trainer stats, but they indicate that this was the 50th horse that Dutrow has run on 1-7 days' rest during that period; he does this quite a bit.

Chuck, you are 1000% right. Something does need to be done about this. This is deplorable. I don't care that the rules might not specifically speak to this. Even without that, I would think it is not outside the scope of the state racing commission, and/or another body to call Dutrow in and speak to him about this and the outcome.

Eric

Eric
You are right and this is just going to give PETA and all the others haters something new to talk about.
Joe

good question. jeremy should have gotten his days, but trainers seem to always get off easy. a jock gets caught with a buzzer, gets five years. a trainer has overage after overage, and he gets to go to the hall of fame in a few years.

Respectfully Golden Man is still a horse that runs often and is making people money.. He has run a lot more then horses who have been given 90 days to recover from minor injury's..I am not defending Dutrow but your example is actually a declaration of why not as suppose to why?

Eric if you take down Dutrow you have to go for the VET'S license as well IMO.. Don't make the CFO the fall guy when he asked the CEO for permission in advance. BTW the Chairman of the Board, the owner, needs to be examined as well..

Actually, he was an up-and-coming 3YO at the time that Dutrow pulled that well-publicized stunt. He was never close to being the same horse afterwards. What is he now, a $10K claimer?

I am all for running horses more often then the current barns do, but two days rest is not fair IMO to the horse.

He was a juice horse then and most likely now and he is sound and races all the time STILL

i totally agree a lot of the **** he does either does not bother me or i am sorry to say i just dont care, but this is horrible

If you are talking about the State Vet, yes, I agree. Unfortunately, there is little that can be done under the current system. I've been at the barn when the State Vet comes to look over the horse. The current system is broken. OTOH, this won't be a priority because it's rare that something like this happens.

As far as the owner -- same ol' same ol'. Many people don't tend to look at the landscape from the owners perspective. Hold owners accountable for what you can. If they hire a trainer, delegate the day to day, what are you going to do here in a case like this -- haul the owner into court? Not under the current system. Everyone will be looking to pass the buck.

Under a redesigned system, I want to see how this could be structured. This is a dangerous and slippery slope. Make the owner ultimately responsible for everything and this game will fall into a more rapid decline than we see today.

Eric

I agree with the issues you pose. But do you honestly think the owners (Jay Em Ess) will make Dutrow accountable in any meaningful way for this incident? I won't be holding my breath.

I think you're overstating the case.

Dutrow claimed Golden Man in Jan 2005 for $60K. The previous September the horse was running for $12.5K.

Subsequent to the claim the horse won a NW1 and then was an OK -- albeit distant (12 lengths) -- third in the Peter Pan.

Then he ran his back-to-back races.

So it's kind of hard to make the argument that he was a real up-and-comer in the 3YO ranks that summer.

def. agree with that, i would never say Golden Man was a up and comer.... i remember when he ran him in those races, i forget where though... i want to say deleware for sure and maybe monmouth