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jcs11204 06-28-2008 09:05 PM

Any Info ?
 
6 5 Street Hero Espinoza V Cho Myung Kwon 120 12-1 ?

runs tomorrow in the last race at hollywood, nice pedigree and amazing workouts.... i have never herd of the trainer, does anyone know anything about the horse, trainer ?

KirisClown 06-28-2008 09:14 PM

He owned and trained the immortal Nationalore....

CSC 06-28-2008 09:20 PM

Hard to believe that horse finished 3rd in the BC Juvenile, he also trained a horse I forget that I believe just finished out of the money in the derby.

RolloTomasi 06-28-2008 09:54 PM

Myung Kwon Cho also trained and owned Video Ranger, 2nd in the Santa Anita Derby to Mister Friskey. Later he either won or was just edged by fledging owner Frank Stronach's Yonder (a former Claiborne horse) in the Jersey Derby, before getting crushed in the Belmont.

A couple of years ago he ran the good allowance horse Double Galore (who may be a half brother to Street Hero) in the Belmont and got beat a pole.

jcs11204 06-28-2008 09:56 PM

i have never herd of any of these horses.

Indian Charlie 06-28-2008 10:07 PM

He also trained a total monster 10-15 years ago. A cal bred, I think he was a son of that Cox's Ridge stallion he seemed connected to.

That horse looked like he was going to be any kind, but died suddenly as a 2yo.

I wish I could remember his name.

RolloTomasi 06-28-2008 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i have never herd of any of these horses.

Sorry. My bad.

You should have entitled this thread "Any Info I Already Know?"

RolloTomasi 06-28-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
He also trained a total monster 10-15 years ago. A cal bred, I think he was a son of that Cox's Ridge stallion he seemed connected to.

That horse looked like he was going to be any kind, but died suddenly as a 2yo.

I wish I could remember his name.

The Cox's Ridge stallion was Video Ranger (he was a 3yo of 1990). Video Ranger sired Nationalore, multiple graded stakes placed but never a winner, who broke down as an older horse. Not sure if there is another horse you are considering.

jcs11204 06-28-2008 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Sorry. My bad.

You should have entitled this thread "Any Info I Already Know?"

lol its ok, i was only 5 in 1990, i did not start following the game till at least 1993

The Indomitable DrugS 06-28-2008 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Myung Kwon Cho also trained and owned Video Ranger, 2nd in the Santa Anita Derby to Mister Friskey. Later he either won or was just edged by fledging owner Frank Stronach's Yonder (a former Claiborne horse) in the Jersey Derby, before getting crushed in the Belmont.

Video Ranger ran 4th in the Kentucky Derby behind Unbridled, Summer Squall, and Pleasant Tap. It was Ron Hansen's only Derby mount ever.

RolloTomasi 06-28-2008 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
lol its ok, i was only 5 in 1990, i did not start following the game till at least 1993

Well, then at least the name "Street Hero" should remind you of the greatest Rokeby horse of all-time (aside from Red Ransom), Sea Hero, who took the '93 Kentucky Derby and Travers.

jcs11204 06-28-2008 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Well, then at least the name "Street Hero" should remind you of the greatest Rokeby horse of all-time (aside from Red Ransom), Sea Hero, who took the '93 Kentucky Derby and Travers.

i remember sea hero, did bailey ride him ?

RolloTomasi 06-28-2008 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i remember sea hero, did bailey ride him ?

Yep. Sea Hero now stands at stud in Turkey. Bailey acts like a Turkey on TV.

jcs11204 06-28-2008 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Yep. Sea Hero now stands at stud in Turkey. Bailey acts like a Turkey on TV.

i love bailey... i have a autographed copy of his book, Against the odds

RolloTomasi 06-28-2008 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i love bailey... i have a autographed copy of his book.

I'd rather read 300 pages of Beatle Bailey comic strips.

By the way, did he charge you for the autograph?

jcs11204 06-28-2008 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
I'd rather read 300 pages of Beatle Bailey comic strips.

By the way, did he charge you for the autograph?

no, do you watch the show Down the Stretch, on saturday mornings ? well a few years back they were doing a trivia thing, asking question, first caller to answer, would win his book, and a chance to meet him at the albany teletheater and for him to auto. it.... the question was who won some race in ny the year before, the answer was Peace Rules with Bailey riding, i called it in first, and won it.

KirisClown 06-28-2008 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Well, then at least the name "Street Hero" should remind you of the greatest Rokeby horse of all-time (aside from Red Ransom), Sea Hero, who took the '93 Kentucky Derby and Travers.

What future Grade 1 winner was Sea Hero coupled with in his final career start? (the 1994 Fayette at Keeneland)

RolloTomasi 06-28-2008 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
What future Grade 1 winner was Sea Hero coupled with in his final career start? (the 1994 Fayette at Keeneland)

Key Contender. The fact that Sea Hero failed to finish in front of his less fancied stablemate (he won his Grade 1 for someone else after being sold by Rokeby) prompted Mack Miller to retire him immediately.

Personally, though I don't think he would have been some top older horse, I think Sea Hero's 4yo campaign was hindered by all the turf starts, when the year before, Miller had been so patient with allowing him to "round to form" for his biggest engagements as a 3yo in spite of less-than-stellar efforts in prep races like the Palm Beach and Jim Dandy. After getting lit up by Devil His Due in the Brooklyn early as a 4yo, it was as if had no hope of winning on dirt again, unfortunately he couldn't get it done on turf either.

Indian Charlie 06-28-2008 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
The Cox's Ridge stallion was Video Ranger (he was a 3yo of 1990). Video Ranger sired Nationalore, multiple graded stakes placed but never a winner, who broke down as an older horse. Not sure if there is another horse you are considering.

Yeah, I remember Video Ranger. I'm pretty sure this horse was a son of his, especially since this trainer seemed to train almost exclusively Video Ranger offspring. He won one of the stakes at Del Mar and then died.

KirisClown 06-28-2008 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Key Contender. The fact that Sea Hero failed to finish in front of his less fancied stablemate (he won his Grade 1 for someone else after being sold by Rokeby) prompted Mack Miller to retire him immediately.

Personally, though I don't think he would have been some top older horse, I think Sea Hero's 4yo campaign was hindered by all the turf starts, when the year before, Miller had been so patient with allowing him to "round to form" for his biggest engagements as a 3yo in spite of less-than-stellar efforts in prep races like the Palm Beach and Jim Dandy. After getting lit up by Devil His Due in the Brooklyn early as a 4yo, it was as if had no hope of winning on dirt again, unfortunately he couldn't get it done on turf either.

Yup, very good, it was Key Contender, he won the Suburban in 1995.. for Flying Zee Stable and Jose Martin.

Sea Hero was always a very tough one to figure out... the only race he was good enough to win after the Travers was an off the turf sprint..

The Indomitable DrugS 06-29-2008 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
Yeah, I remember Video Ranger. I'm pretty sure this horse was a son of his, especially since this trainer seemed to train almost exclusively Video Ranger offspring. He won one of the stakes at Del Mar and then died.

Riva Ranger (2-for-2) broke down and was euthanized on the track after winning the Graduation Stakes at Del Mar.

Indian Charlie 06-29-2008 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
Riva Ranger (2-for-2) broke down and was euthanized on the track after winning the Graduation Stakes at Del Mar.

Thanks, that sounds like the horse. I wish I could get video on that horse, he was extremely nice.

How'd you figure that out? I think I've mentioned this horse to you a bunch of times over the years but never could figure out his name.

Kasept 06-29-2008 05:40 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Myung Kwon Cho also trained and owned Video Ranger, 2nd in the Santa Anita Derby to Mister Friskey. Later he either won or was just edged by fledging owner Frank Stronach's Yonder (a former Claiborne horse) in the Jersey Derby, before getting crushed in the Belmont.

Rollo,

I loved Yonder.. I mean LOVED. There was a booth at Belmont one Stakes Weekend where they would embroider a horse name over a bay, grey, etc. runner, and I made a Yonder hat. Still have it. I saw him win the Remsen at 2 and I'm sure I thought at the time he was going to be the Derby winner. He ended up 5th in the Belmont I think...

He was actually a stiff that was never as good as he might have been as a son of Slew. He's a sire in Korea or the Phillipines or somewhere. His first four broodmare sires were Forli, Round Table, Hail to Reason and Stymie (!).

Another one like Yonder that I was crazy for was the enigmatic Lost Mountain... Saw him win the Haskell but had been crazy about him as a classic horse earlier. He was pretty good.. Won a few other stakes besides the Haskell, but was 15th or so in Strike the Gold's Derby and maybe 8th in Hansel's Belmont.

Kasept 06-29-2008 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Yep. Sea Hero now stands at stud in Turkey. Bailey acts like a Turkey on TV.

I hated Sea Hero.. likely because of Bailey, but for whatever reason. I've always felt he was the luckiest 'big race' winner ever. And why there is a statue of him in the Saratoga paddock continues to escape my comprehension. Of all the Travers winners in history, Sea Hero gets a monument in the Spa enclosure? :rolleyes:

Bigsmc 06-29-2008 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi
Sorry. My bad.

You should have entitled this thread "Any Info I Already Know?"

I laughed.

ateamstupid 06-29-2008 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
I hated Sea Hero.. likely because of Bailey, but for whatever reason. I've always felt he was the luckiest 'big race' winner ever. And why there is a statue of him in the Saratoga paddock continues to escape my comprehension. Of all the Travers winners in history, Sea Hero gets a monument in the Spa enclosure? :rolleyes:

That has to be brought up in any discussion of Sea Hero or of the Travers paddock. Always perplexed me too. In that Lost in the Fog movie, Harry Aleo walks by it and goes "Sea Hero.. He wasn't that good."

Kasept 06-29-2008 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
That has to be brought up in any discussion of Sea Hero or of the Travers paddock. Always perplexed me too. In that Lost in the Fog movie, Harry Aleo walks by it and goes "Sea Hero.. He wasn't that good."

That is priceless.. As big a fan as I was of Aleo, that just takes my apprciation to a new level. I have to get the guy that made the LITF film on the show this week...

blackthroatedwind 06-29-2008 08:08 AM

Funny, when I saw there was a Lost in the Fog movie, I said " Lost in the Fog? He wasn't that good. "

KirisClown 06-29-2008 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
I hated Sea Hero.. likely because of Bailey, but for whatever reason. I've always felt he was the luckiest 'big race' winner ever. And why there is a statue of him in the Saratoga paddock continues to escape my comprehension. Of all the Travers winners in history, Sea Hero gets a monument in the Spa enclosure? :rolleyes:

Didnt Paul Mellon donate it to the racetrack?

If they had to pay for it themselves.. I doubt it would be there..

blackthroatedwind 06-29-2008 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by KirisClown
Didnt Paul Mellon donate it to the racetrack?

If they had to pay for it themselves.. I doubt it would be there..


Paul Mellon was a great friend to racing. He donated the Sea Hero statue and it was put up, most likely, as a tribute to him. Call me crazy but I think he has earned the right.

Perhaps after another forty years of Carolina Barbecue, with both Steve and Joey working there, Saratoga can replace the Sea Hero statue with a statue of a large weenie commemorating all they have done for the game.

KirisClown 06-29-2008 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Paul Mellon was a great friend to racing. He donated the Sea Hero statue and it was put up, most likely, as a tribute to him. Call me crazy but I think he has earned the right..

I agree...

Owners like Mellon are sorely missed today... If anything, the statue is a reminder of some of the better days of racing...

TheSpyder 06-29-2008 08:30 AM

This would be better

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Paul Mellon was a great friend to racing. He donated the Sea Hero statue and it was put up, most likely, as a tribute to him. Call me crazy but I think he has earned the right.

Perhaps after another forty years of Carolina Barbecue, with both Steve and Joey working there, Saratoga can replace the Sea Hero statue with a statue of a large weenie commemorating all they have done for the game.


justindew 06-29-2008 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Funny, when I saw there was a Lost in the Fog movie, I said " Lost in the Fog? He wasn't that good. "

Are you basing this on his career Beyer Speed Figures, his 10-race win streak to start his career, or the fact that he won the Aristides with a tumor the size of a car battery?

Cajungator26 06-29-2008 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
I hated Sea Hero.. likely because of Bailey, but for whatever reason. I've always felt he was the luckiest 'big race' winner ever. And why there is a statue of him in the Saratoga paddock continues to escape my comprehension. Of all the Travers winners in history, Sea Hero gets a monument in the Spa enclosure? :rolleyes:

We still have the 1993 Derby poster hanging in our living room. :p

Kasept 06-29-2008 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Paul Mellon was a great friend to racing. He donated the Sea Hero statue and it was put up, most likely, as a tribute to him. Call me crazy but I think he has earned the right.

Perhaps after another forty years of Carolina Barbecue, with both Steve and Joey working there, Saratoga can replace the Sea Hero statue with a statue of a large weenie commemorating all they have done for the game.

As a tribute to Paul Mellon, the Sea Hero statue is fine. It's the horse I never cared for... And if they are to erect a statue to me and The 'Cue, it would be of a Chicago Italian Beef Sandwich, which I consider my lasting contribution to the culinary offerings at the Spa.

(And as an FYI, Joey spent just a summer and a half working the Carolina mines. His career as a Cue-slinger is over.. While it may have shown flashes of brilliance, it was not a statue-earning tenure.)

jcs11204 06-29-2008 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
I hated Sea Hero.. likely because of Bailey, but for whatever reason. I've always felt he was the luckiest 'big race' winner ever. And why there is a statue of him in the Saratoga paddock continues to escape my comprehension. Of all the Travers winners in history, Sea Hero gets a monument in the Spa enclosure? :rolleyes:

why does everyone hate bailey ? i love him

parsixfarms 06-29-2008 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept
I hated Sea Hero.. likely because of Bailey, but for whatever reason. I've always felt he was the luckiest 'big race' winner ever. And why there is a statue of him in the Saratoga paddock continues to escape my comprehension. Of all the Travers winners in history, Sea Hero gets a monument in the Spa enclosure? :rolleyes:

Aside from the Mellon items added above, I think it's because Sea Hero was the first (or at least first in several decades) to complete the Derby - Travers double.

Danzig 06-29-2008 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by justindew
Are you basing this on his career Beyer Speed Figures, his 10-race win streak to start his career, or the fact that he won the Aristides with a tumor the size of a car battery?

oh, here we go again......the clock starts NOW on the 'i would have liked to own such a pig' line.

Danzig 06-29-2008 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
why does everyone hate bailey ? i love him


how long is it going to take you to catch on?

Kasept 06-29-2008 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Aside from the Mellon items added above, I think it's because Sea Hero was the first (or at least first in several decades) to complete the Derby - Travers double.

Was first since Shut Out (1942) but first Derby-Travers winner was Baden Baden (1877). Others included Hindoo, Azra, Twenty Grand, Whirlaway (only TC winner to win Travers), Omar Khayyam...

Of course most famous non-Derby/Travers winner would be Gallant Fox who was stunned in 1930 by.....































Jim Dandy.


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