Who's more incompetent: NYRA Stewards or Gabe Saez?
 

One of the most awful rides you'll ever see - and one of the most idiotic DQ's you'll ever see.

It was a real joy to watch all that happen!

Alan Garcia did ride a brilliant race - and that is actually the first time I've ever seen a rider get put up a placing who did that much race riding from the break to the 1/8th pole.

Can't get any worse than the NYC stewards. They get my vote by default. They proved their worth yet again today. Nice being able to continually **** UP and not having to answer to anyone.

Saez is a genius in comparison to any living Steward....

I'm a Music Note fan who thinks the filly would likely have won anyway, BUT.......the stewards are incompetent. Why did PS get DQ'd? I don't get it. I thought the stewards were out of their minds when they didn't DQ Monastic Springs a few weeks ago, even though he came over on at least two horses.

Had to know it wasn't Proud Spell's day when she put her nose to the ground coming out of the gate.

As if Music Note came away perfectly.

Music Note stumbled, too. I guess anytime an odds on favorite loses, there has to be a reason, but going into the race, MN was a legitimately talented horse.

Music Note very well could have won anyway - and I would have preferred her of the two at those prices.

But thats not the point - Saez put on an all-time masterpiece of stupid race riding - while Garcia rode Proud Spell for the first 8 furlongs - and after arguably fouling PS 3 different times at meaningful stages of the race - he somehow got put up for a late bump that had no impact at all on the finish.

The only thing I can think of is that NYRA Stewards wanted to punish Saez for what they viewed as mildly careless riding in the final 1/8th - even though it had no impact on the outcome and was VERY unfair to the betting public.

Do you consider Saez' ride lousy because he kept her to the inside? I always thought that if a jock assumed he was on the best horse, he'd rather be wide and in the clear........

He basically buried her from start to finish - and Garcia really did an amazing job of help making it the legendary bad ride it became. He deserves almost as much credit for Proud Spell's trip as Saez.

YEAH, Garcia pretty much exposed himself as a PUNK. Probably, 2nd only to Morales or Castellano given that ride. At some point, and it will be soon, Garcia will be BENT OVER by another jock, the way he bent Saez over today. Hope he takes as good as he gives and is as lucky as Saez was today (or Dominguez in the 4th, courtesy of Mr Castellano).

That is incredible that they took that horse down. There is not even a 1% chance that the incident changed the order of finish. Isn't the rule in New York the same as California? In California, they don't take a horse down unless the incident may have cost a horse a placing.

In a case like this, it is fine for them to give the jock days if they want to. But there is no reason to take the horse down.

My vote goes to the NYRA stewards.
Baffling.
Sort of the same idea of when I think it was Caroline's Cat got taken out at the start by the eventual winner and they let the winner stand.

you have to give it to the stewards, very bad takedown imo.

It was a bit odd. It seemed a clear case of Proud Spell being cut off right as they concluded the turn...then the horse also bore in in mid stretch initiating contact with Proud Spell...then Proud Spell gets dq'd after passing with east while drifting out?? Yes, I'm biased as I would have won money with a 2nd place finish by Proud Spell hitting exacta's et all...but no way was any finish affected by the jocks. Music Note was the best...maybe Proud Spell is within a length with a better ride by Saez...but Saez was badly cut off by Garcia.

I generally don't like to get involved in steward-bashing but their performance today was truly astonishing. They take Proud Spell down for an arguable foul that clearly had no impact on the outcome of the race (imagine being the place pool bridgejumpers that got taken down here), and yet they left Les Antiques (4th race) up for contact (crowding, bumping) that did appear to have an impact on the Frankel horse trying to get up the rail.

saez had a horrible day, but prolly has many big days ahead of him...
i almost feel bad for him after today, horrible,terrible ride on proud spell, and then in the next race, i think he just got outfinished and by rudy

i totally disagree, proud spell had about as much trouble as you can possibly have in a race, and i think she wins with a clean trip

It's possible. I'm just not sure she wins. I'm still just mad she got dq'd.

If there's a re-match in the Alabama, who do you take? I think Music Note would like the 10F distance better, and Proud Spell will be underlaid based on today's trip.

i am a pick 3 and 4 player, so from a gambling point of view i'd probelly use both of them, like i did today... and whoever else looks decent, LOTS OF very good fillies could show up in the alabama....

just looking at it from who i think is better, the sky might be the limit for music note, but i want to see her beat the best, when the best gets even a decent trip, todays trip was a nightmare. so i would say proud spell still.

I think Proud Spell's chances would have been greatly improved if Shaq had ridden her.

haha
how funny

Yeah, he's done a terrible job with her.

Eric

No Value
 

NYRA Stewards, and Saez will both be chalk, I probably pass on that wager.:rolleyes:

what ?
im lost

I was referring to Saez, and obviously I was being sarcastic.

Eric

Dude, forget it.

This is the guy who thinks Rose didn't hit that filly in the face on purpose and that trainers don't juice. Certain trainers that is.

He obviously didn't see the race today either.

This is painful.

im lost again

This is what I find painful. Is that better? I quoted your post that you deleted!

[quote=Indian Charlie]This is what I find painful.[/

lol
it will be ok

I could see how much of a waste of time it would be for you to make an effort to participate in an intelligent conversation. I'm still waiting for an intelligent comment from you. Don't worry, I won't keep waiting.

Eric

now this is kind of funny
LOL

You two keep good company.

How that for an intelligent remark?!

This is exactly the kind of thing that Vic S. was asking the DT community about the only difference being this was NY and that Vic was asking what the fans want from California stewards when a ruling is made that alters the order of finish. In california you get the telestrator explanation with a narrative.

Of course if the NY stewards tried to explain, as California does, what they were doing and why the order of finish changed in this race it is likely more controversy would lead to even more outrage than the silence of a strange and almost dirty looking ruling.

Almost?

1st garcia does everything he can to take proud spell out of the exacta, and then the stewards take her down when garcia screws up. The only thing more convincing would be evidence that there was tampering with the starting gate area in front of post positions 1 and 2.

I would love to hear the stewards say:

"after reviewing the replay - we have concluded that Garcia almost fouled Saez on three seperate occasions but in our view he didn't quite cross the line each time. Even though they were at meaningful stages of the race and clearly hurt Proud Spell's chances - it was just good ruthless race riding by Garcia. Each time he walked the line - but didn't cross it.

However, when Proud Spell came out in the final 1/16th - he bumped Garcia's mount some as he exploded by her. Though that incident had no impact on the outcome - we believe he crossed the line just enough to warrent a dq."

That would go over very well with the bettors.

i value your opinion....
so with a clean trip, does proud spell win ?

Garcia almost puts Proud Spell and Saez through the fence exiting the turn...drift out running into the Hamsa horse in upper stretch...then starts turning inward after that initiating contact with Proud Spell in mid stretch as Proud Spell was drifting out slightly at that point but not as pronounced as the Garcia horse was bearing inward...then right at the end, Proud Spell drifts out badly but still accelerating away from the Garcia horse and Saez gets dq'd. It's quite upsetting for those of us who had exacta money on Proud Spell and Music Note and bridge jumper place money on Proud Spell!