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Alan07 06-24-2008 01:49 PM

Jeremy Rose
 
Getting 6 Month Suspension for hitting horse over the head twice with the whip and losing an eye. Stories should be coming out soon

ateamstupid 06-24-2008 01:57 PM

:eek: if this is true.

zippyneedsawin 06-24-2008 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
:eek: if this is true.

you can say that again

slotdirt 06-24-2008 02:10 PM

One of my favorite jocks out there, would be a shame if this is the case. I have to assume there's something more to this story.

texarkana 06-24-2008 02:13 PM

Maybe Delaware should have started testing those padded whips sooner...

Scav 06-24-2008 02:14 PM

I think he was off all mounts today at Delaware......

Bobby Fischer 06-24-2008 02:35 PM

true ^

docicu3 06-24-2008 02:44 PM

Is there a link to any details on this?

slotdirt 06-24-2008 02:45 PM

Of course not! I love idle speculation.

jcs11204 06-24-2008 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by slotdirt
One of my favorite jocks out there, would be a shame if this is the case. I have to assume there's something more to this story.

i agree, i love him. i hope this is not true

Kasept 06-24-2008 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
Of course not! I love idle speculation.

Not to single out your post at all John, but it's not idle speculation. Happened yesterday and he was in front of stewards this morning.

Story will appear soon on Blood-Horse or elsewhere. There is going to be a real negative reaction.

slotdirt 06-24-2008 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Not to single out your post at all John, but it's not idle speculation. Happened yesterday and he was in front of stewards this morning.

Story will appear soon on Blood-Horse or elsewhere. There is going to be a real negative reaction.

I said that tongue in cheek, of course. Are there any more details to the story than the first post in this thread?

blackthroatedwind 06-24-2008 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasept
Not to single out your post at all John, but it's not idle speculation. Happened yesterday and he was in front of stewards this morning.

Story will appear soon on Blood-Horse or elsewhere. There is going to be a real negative reaction.


Not that anyone would condone what may have happened....but I hope he is not being punished outside of the rules because....A - the horse suffered the supposed injury and B - because of a concern over public backlash.

If the rules need to be fixed, then fix them, but making examples, especially at a time of hysteria like now, is a very slippery slope.

SentToStud 06-24-2008 02:56 PM

Russell Baze got 15 (30?) days for misuse of the whip. Six months for Rose would seem very excessive.

Antitrust32 06-24-2008 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
Russell Baze got 15 (30?) days for misuse of the whip. Six months for Rose would seem very excessive.


and didnt that horse die in the baze case? (just asking... nobody get on my case if i am not right because I dont know for sure!)

The Indomitable DrugS 06-24-2008 03:07 PM

Wasn't the Baze case an incident of him trying to ride out a horse who appeared to be going wrong just before the wire?

This sounds like straight up abuse if it is true.

Baze could always say that he wasn't sure his horse was going wrong until it was too late.

Coach Pants 06-24-2008 03:10 PM

If all of this is true then it's an appropriate suspension. These guys have to be punished where it hurts...the wallet.

parsixfarms 06-24-2008 03:11 PM

The part that has always befuddled me is the gross disparity between sanctions handed down to jockeys and those handed down for trainers. If he is going to get six months, then "the authorities" are saying that his offense is 2-3X worse than the misdeeds of trainers with "bad" positives. It just doesn't compute. No wonder the riders feel that they are treated as if they are a fungible commodity.

horseofcourse 06-24-2008 03:14 PM

Why on earth is Rose hitting a horse with a whip on the head?? Was it accidental or was he just banging him on the noggin??

The Indomitable DrugS 06-24-2008 03:16 PM

I just watched it - it was Appeal To The City in the 3rd at Delaware Park yesterday.

Right before the wire he smacks the horse in the face with a left handed whip.

Watch for yourself at Cal Racing.

tiggerv 06-24-2008 03:18 PM

Just watched the replay. What an absolute clown.

Indian Charlie 06-24-2008 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I just watched it - it was Appeal To The City in the 3rd at Delaware Park yesterday.

Right before the wire he smacks the horse in the face with a left handed whip.

Watch for yourself at Cal Racing.

the head on shows more, but it's hard to tell if it was intentional. Probably was.

slotdirt 06-24-2008 03:22 PM

He rode the winner in the feature yesterday, which I'd gather is after the race in question.

docicu3 06-24-2008 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
Russell Baze got 15 (30?) days for misuse of the whip. Six months for Rose would seem very excessive.


Baze popped that horse twice trying to hold on to a placing finish in the stretch run of a race in Northern California where I am not convinced his use of the whip was excessive at all or that he even knew the horse was in trouble when he hit him the first time. He backed off the whip within less than a second but unfortunately he was dealing with a horse who had suffered an injury and he looked abusive in front of a grandstand for all to see.

An incident during a race should be treated completely differently than an action after a race such as what Stokes did one night at the Mountain recently or the jock in Philly who was disciplined a couple months back.

The Indomitable DrugS 06-24-2008 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie
the head on shows more, but it's hard to tell if it was intentional. Probably was.

It was 100% intentional.

There is no story out yet, but I just glanced over the chart comments from his mounts yesterday and when I read that a horse he was riding "shied from the whip" I figured it was the race.

Indian Charlie 06-24-2008 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
It was 100% intentional.

There is no story out yet, but I just glanced over the chart comments from his mounts yesterday and when I read that a horse he was riding "shied from the whip" I figured it was the race.

Yeah, I watched it again and watched his arm this time. No doubt.

slotdirt 06-24-2008 03:28 PM

Granted I just watched probably the worst quality replay of the 3rd at DEL yesterday, but it doesn't look as bad as it was described earlier in this thread. I certainly don't think whatever might have happened warrants a six month suspension.

Antitrust32 06-24-2008 03:28 PM

How the **** can you just hit a horse in the face like that! What a ****ing *******!

ateamstupid 06-24-2008 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
I just watched it - it was Appeal To The City in the 3rd at Delaware Park yesterday.

Right before the wire he smacks the horse in the face with a left handed whip.

Watch for yourself at Cal Racing.

I may be a tard for this, but when I log into Cal Racing, I can only choose from California tracks' replays. How do I get Delaware? :confused:

Bobby Fischer 06-24-2008 03:29 PM

he wasn't "showing" the whip
he was whipping

without hearing a good argument for Rose, it appeared that he lost his temper after the horse quit

Scav 06-24-2008 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
I may be a tard for this, but when I log into Cal Racing, I can only choose from California tracks' replays. How do I get Delaware? :confused:

You have to type the horses name in, can't do it via track unless it is california
Appeal To The City is the name, according to Drugs...

Indian Charlie 06-24-2008 03:30 PM

It looks like he tried to hit him on the head more than the one time too!

slotdirt 06-24-2008 03:31 PM

I can't find the head-on, which obviously would show more than what I just watched.

Scav 06-24-2008 03:32 PM

Once this does get out, he might need a new occupation. Sharpen that pencil....

Bobby Fischer 06-24-2008 03:33 PM

yea have to click the "Horse" tab after you log in

type in the name

headons / photos at the top after you choose the race

Cannon Shell 06-24-2008 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by parsixfarms
The part that has always befuddled me is the gross disparity between sanctions handed down to jockeys and those handed down for trainers. If he is going to get six months, then "the authorities" are saying that his offense is 2-3X worse than the misdeeds of trainers with "bad" positives. It just doesn't compute. No wonder the riders feel that they are treated as if they are a fungible commodity.

Jockeys usually get 7 day penalties that they delay until winter when they wont be riding anyway. How many get 6 months? Assmussen got 6 months and Biancone effectively got a year and he didnt even get a positive. I find that jockeys usually get days for things that are either dangerous or intentional. The vast majority of medication positives are neither dangerous or intentional.

tiggerv 06-24-2008 03:33 PM

Make sure you watch the head on. It is pretty disgusting.

He won't ride again.

Indian Charlie 06-24-2008 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
I can't find the head-on, which obviously would show more than what I just watched.

go to calracing.com
login or create an account

find the replays, and search by horse. type in this horse.
pick yesterdays race, and right above the video you'll see some choices for the video.

click head on, and then a second later or so click full screen.

slotdirt 06-24-2008 03:34 PM

I'm biased obviously, since I like the jock, but even with the head on, I think there's at least a chance the guy didn't do it with intent.

Kasept 06-24-2008 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
I said that tongue in cheek, of course. Are there any more details to the story than the first post in this thread?

Report:
  • 6 month suspension.
  • Has to pay all vet bills related to the injury.
  • Anger management courses.

John Wayne of Delaware Racing Commission should join me before the show ends with official ruling details...


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