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AeWingnut 06-22-2008 12:07 PM

JR Velasquez can be such an idiot
 
He's on the best horse, Just A Little Jet in the 1st race at Belmont
and he's getting cute trying to go up the rail behind a quitter

the trifecta wouldn't pay much but I had it

the_fat_man 06-22-2008 12:14 PM

This is pretty much a clueless riding colony when it comes to the turf courses at BEL. You'd think they were riding at HOL or SA. They just fail to grasp that the OUTSIDE is the place to be here. And, what's with all these DEAD HORSES being kept on the rail in the stretch, ensuring that the field clusters and making it increasingly more difficult to come off the pace, as well more dangerous to ride? Once upon a time, there'd be payback for **** like that. Today, who cares?

docicu3 06-22-2008 12:35 PM

Dutrow potions still working in the second!!

AeWingnut 06-22-2008 12:41 PM

Velasquez had a lot to do with the winner in the 2nd as well.
I guess it's impossible to save ground but to ride with zero sense of urgency

docicu3 06-22-2008 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
Velasquez had a lot to do with the winner in the 2nd as well.
I guess it's impossible to save ground but to ride with zero sense of urgency

Edgar seemed to know he was packing more horse in the stretch while being aware of where the overinflated 6 was.....actually it's not unlike Garcia realizing he had the first won once JR made a couple of bad decisions prior to the finish of the first.

I'll give the 1 with Gomez a shot here against the chalk with small exacta boxes 1/2,5 and reverse

docicu3 06-22-2008 01:01 PM

Morales doesn't look happy with his mount in the 3rd..

docicu3 06-22-2008 01:08 PM

Maybe Gomez will wait until the race is over before making his move next time....that was pathetic....oh well

jcs11204 06-22-2008 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AeWingnut
He's on the best horse, Just A Little Jet in the 1st race at Belmont
and he's getting cute trying to go up the rail behind a quitter

the trifecta wouldn't pay much but I had it

tell me about it, i had legit win/place money on her

jcs11204 06-22-2008 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
That horse has now lost as the favorite 4 times in a row. I don't think his ride was bad at all.

i dont see it either... in the second race he just got beat... but in the first, that was all his fault, he was sitting on a ton, if he goes outside he wins easy

jcs11204 06-22-2008 01:33 PM

what a joke, i cant get a trip today

the_fat_man 06-22-2008 01:36 PM

Nice.

RAIL SUCKING Gomez, on the rail, as usual, decides to stick righty on a tiring horse. As would be expected, the horse goes in, hits the rail, bounces off, and almost causes a spill. Next time maybe the doofus goes over the rail and learns his lesson.

jcs11204 06-22-2008 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Nice.

RAIL SUCKING Gomez, on the rail, as usual, decides to stick righty on a tiring horse. As would be expected, the horse goes in, hits the rail, bounces off, and almost causes a spill. Next time maybe the doofus goes over the rail and learns his lesson.

i bet pegasian win/place, and im sure he was running at the least second if not for the incident

AeWingnut 06-22-2008 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
That horse has now lost as the favorite 4 times in a row. I don't think his ride was bad at all.


that horse wasn't asked for run until after he was passed. That and being stuck out wide like he was on Big Brown

either way after the ride he had in the first he gets all the blame

blackthroatedwind 06-22-2008 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Certainly he wasn't the only horse out there right? Wasn't he passed on the outside. I have to watch the first again. But to blame him in the second is silly.

He rode the horse perfectly in the second. Knocking that ride borders on lunacy.

jcs11204 06-22-2008 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
He rode the horse perfectly in the second. Knocking that ride borders on lunacy.

WHAT about in the first ?

AeWingnut 06-22-2008 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Certainly he wasn't the only horse out there right? Wasn't he passed on the outside. I have to watch the first again. But to blame him in the second is silly.


What goes 99 clunk, 99 clunk, 99 clunk...

a centipede with a wooden leg.

now that's silly

watch both races and tell me he never had a choice to make. That he had to be cute and try to go up the rail in the first and in the 2nd. Yes, he was passed on the outside he was at least 4 wide all the way around the track and just sat there like he was waiting to get beat.

jcs11204 06-22-2008 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'd like to know when the last time Jorge Chavez got a horse out of the gate cleanly. Can't be this year right?

hes all done
mike smith is better

blackthroatedwind 06-22-2008 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
WHAT about in the first ?


Obviously he cost his mount a win in the first.

jcs11204 06-22-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Obviously he cost his mount a win in the first.

yea

AeWingnut 06-22-2008 03:54 PM

it may be lunacy but I don't see a perfect ride in the 2nd. I see a guy that is day dreaming

blackthroatedwind 06-22-2008 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
No one said it was perfect, whatever that is. But to blame him when the horse is an obvious money burner is incorrect IMO.


I'm not sure what perfect is but under the circumstances he did absolutely nothing wrong. He lost to a better horse who got a good trip as well. If you criticize the ride that John Velasquez gave in the second race today you have no credibility. It's as simple as that.

jcs11204 06-22-2008 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm not sure what perfect is but under the circumstances he did absolutely nothing wrong. He lost to a better horse who got a good trip as well. If you criticize the ride that John Velasquez gave in the second race today you have no credibility. It's as simple as that.

LAYING THE LAW DOWN

Bigsmc 06-22-2008 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
LAYING THE LAW DOWN

Easy there Li'l Andy.

reese 06-22-2008 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
I'd like to know when the last time Jorge Chavez got a horse out of the gate cleanly. Can't be this year right?




Quote:

Originally Posted by jcs11204
hes all done

Not quite...won nightcap todayat Belmont.
8 Dr Silver Packet Chavez Jorge F. 123 40.60 15.40 8.40
5 Come On Chas Desormeaux Kent J. 123 4.20 3.30
2 Precise Action Maragh Rajiv 123 3.90

blackthroatedwind 06-22-2008 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Hope you crushed it. Doesn't change that he is a bit tardy out of the gate frequently.

I love how whenever you make a correct criticism of a rider, Chavez has real gate problems, someone shows up with their next winner.....as though that has anything to do with what you were talking about.

Unless I missed your post where you said Jorge Chavez would never win another race.

hockey2315 06-22-2008 05:35 PM

The favorite in the 2nd was losing no matter what. . . I'd like to see how Pegasian would've done with a clear run.

hockey2315 06-22-2008 05:39 PM

and who is JR Velasquez?

the_fat_man 06-22-2008 05:51 PM

The THREE STOOGES coming down the lane: Gomez, Prado, and Cornelio.

One sticking righty on the rail; the other sticking to the 2 path as if it were golden; and the 3rd yet to be introduced to the loose rein method of riding -- it's a machismo thing. Bouncing around like pinballs.

herkhorse 06-22-2008 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Easy there Li'l Andy.

:tro:

jcs11204 06-22-2008 06:02 PM

i think i am starting to realize something......
horse racing is 95% about the jockey/trip you get...
these last few days, i have been on a coast to coast pick 4 binge... and i have seen some horrible trips, horses who were much the best, losing because of the jockey.

jcs11204 06-22-2008 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
The favorite in the 2nd was losing no matter what. . . I'd like to see how Pegasian would've done with a clear run.

i will tell you....
he would have won... and i would have had a nice score.
all about the trip

hockey2315 06-22-2008 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
i will tell you....
he would have won... and i would have had a nice score.
all about the trip

He probably would've. . . and I bet him too. I was actually more mad at Corny at the time than I am now. Sure, he didn't give his horse any room to run in the stretch and ended up getting stopped by the 3, but I'm not really sure what he could've done differently. . . the whole just wouldn't open up. Peagasian is obviously one to look for next time, but don't be surprised if he's 2-1.

jcs11204 06-22-2008 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by hockey2315
He probably would've. . . and I bet him too. I was actually more mad at Corny at the time than I am now. Sure, he didn't give his horse any room to run in the stretch and ended up getting stopped by the 3, but I'm not really sure what he could've done differently. . . the whole just wouldn't open up. Peagasian is obviously one to look for next time, but don't be surprised if he's 2-1.

i guess... i thought he was strong the whole time, then he seemed to hesitate just a little when it opened, by then it was to late, if he goes outside, hes hung 4-5 wide, but is he a winner ? i had him win/place, i would have took second at 9-1

ArlJim78 06-22-2008 06:24 PM

forget about Chavezs ride in the last, how about the horse? where did that come from? i went extra deep in that leg and didn't use the 8.
unfortunately that was the story of my whole day.


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