Larry Jones gets first drug positive ever
 

So do trainers have to all hire private nightwatch now?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/21/sp...s/21jones.html

May be Delaware's first drug positive ever... :rolleyes:

:D :eek:

Jones had a filly in his care at Delaware at the end of last years meet found spounged - I would say that would have been the time for him to consider it.

What is he - something like 29-for-64 at the Delaware meet?

He should take the days and tell his owner to shut up.

Aren't steroids now banned at Delaware? It's funny, a high percentage guy at PID who is doing pretty well told me he doubled up on the amount of clenbuterol he normally gives his horses instead of using steroids - which are now banned.

Blaming an overage of clenbuterol on sabatoge sounds almost hilarious.

Rumor has it a guy named Franklin was seen in Jones' barn that day.

Delaware has been testing for EPO antibodies since 2003. Milkshakes since 2006. They jumped and adopted the RMTC steroid testing and penalties before we even can measure levels.

So you guys are saying they really don't test, or they ignore positives?

Since coming to Delaware for career start #4 - Stones River won a MSW with a 10 horse field by 4.25 lengths and paid $10.20

Career start #5 was the race he was supposedly sabotaged in - and holy mother of God did he step it up a notch.

Looking like a cinch to win the Travers, Stones River closed from last and unleashed a monster turn of foot to win by 9.25 lengths, in hand, and pay $7.40 as the co second choice in a field of 7.

The even money favorite checked in 2nd. The 3rd place finisher, a 5/2 shot, was 3rd beaten 13.25 lengths. The final time was a supersonic 1:41.13 for a mile and 70 yards.

There were two other dirt route races on the card - the first of which was won by a horse who needed 1:51.32 to get 8.5 furlongs. That translates to the winner running a mere 72 Beyer points less than Stones River.

The other route race, was won by the hard hitting Peter Walder trained Pyramyst, a 6/5 favorite, in 1:43.16 for the mile and 70 yards. The final time was over 2 full seconds slower! Pyramyst scored her 6th consecutive win in the 46K alw race - the feature on the card. Her Beyer was only 20 points less than Stones River.

That was some fine work by the PETA folks - not only did they sabotage both Jones and Squires right before the congress hearings - but if they are that skilled at juicing horses - they had to cash a monster bet offshore on that horse and use the profits to buy stock in CDI!

I know I'm shocked.

i guess he thought saying i've been set up ( bitch set me up~marion berry) was better than the 'do you think i'm stupid?' defense.

Does anyone know what Beyers Pyramyst and Snowydeelite got on June 8th at Del?

I would be interested to know what the level of clenbuterol was found. If it is a just a touch over the level allowed it would be hard to make a case that this was a set up.

and that's probably all it was--horse was given it too soon prior to the race, didn't metabolize it all, and tested positive.


no, that can't be it. it's obviously a huge conspiracy.

It certainly smells like a PETA betting coup to me.

You wouldn't know a betting coup if you were part of it...Obviously it's a faulty test!

It was a frame up
 

Larry Jones is one of my favorite trainers. I am not saying that he and a few others have a medication edge at Delaware park. Im just defending my man Marion Barry. C'mon he was put into an unfair situation. Nobody is perfect.:cool:

I don't know man, I still think PETA scored out.

They have the really good stuff when it comes to hopping horses.

all jokes and i told u so's aside
 

Seriously though, he is a great horseman. His wife? really does a nice job as well with the horses. She is there talking to them, and you can tell they have a hands on approach with their best stock. It isn't just a stern "push a horse HARD" atmosphere, they have some emotional involvement. Larry is one of the better at working a horse before a race. If there is any weakness in his game it's getting jockeys that suit his horses styles. I am not a GAbe Saez expert, except that he gets the job done when he has the most horse which is a pretty good trait to have.

I am a proud member of PETA and have Pamela and her assets pinned up next to Easy Goer and Sunday Silience's Preakness in my office

Have a heart

PETA and the Humane Society of the United States will be arm wrestling over who will be running horse racing next year, as they - and Reps. Whitfield and Schakowsky - care more about the horses than any trainers or owners.

I wonder what PETA will do about horses thoughtlessly wearing those fur coats in public? :confused:

I haave had positives my whole life and a negative ROI on horses

Absolutely nothing.

these people love what I say.

Everybody cheats Dahoss... Everybody except the trainers who have no budget and limited brains.. If they didn't all cheat none of them would ever win.. Sad but true... The issues are who has the new stuff that is undetectable and costs thousands because it is so exclusive. The stuff Jerkins is using or stuff that Pletcher is looking for, its a sad state when the best trainers are the folks with the best connections, not with the best skills.

this is true.

I just hope things work out. He has been a real boost to the Oaklawn meet. I know many of you don't even recognize that but Larry has made a real difference for us fans. Eight Belles, may she RIP, was something to watch. He has broght a lot to the table and I hope things work out for him.:(

I agree, trainers who cheat do a lot for the fans......they steal money from them.

Cheaters make sure its impossible to develop a industry.. You can't bet, you can't own, and you can't be a fan other then that I have nothing against juicers.

Exactly.

That's not where I was going.

The horse was no better than 5th in each of his first three career starts before coming to Delaware.

PETA is very clever. It's hard to get a price on a Jones runner at Delaware when he's winning at a 45% clip and in the exacta at a 75% clip - very well executed coup and great job picking the right horse for it.

I had my doubts about that group - but they obviously know how to make em win! They would have got away with it scott free if that pesky owner hadn't been so sharp to unravel it.

I'm confused.....you think that if someone is cheating they are helping the fans?

They had to pay for that Churchill stock.:D

you think that jerkins is cheating.. today the seas parted and he got a break....:zz:

Jones has not been found guilty of cheating.

Does accusal (a positive) automatically equal guilt, or should due process (confirmation of positive, a hearing, a decision) be allowed to proceed?

There is no such thing as due process when these guys don't face the possibility of prison.