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This is from a thread on 5-28:

I simply made an observation:

Watch out.....

....for Saarland's first crop.....They look nice.

And the breeding afficiando that calls himself "Indomitable Drugs" stated:
The DT stock has now hit it's 52 week low after that last comment.

Well Collegiate, 2YO Filly by Saarland just put on a phucking clinic in the Belmont 2nd!!

You got any other 2yo advice that the fine members of DT should follow this summer?

:rolleyes:

She's out of Saarland? I couldve sworn Saarland had a scrotum..

Jan said "out of" in the paddock too. That filly looked good. She's a 1/2 to The Student.

Personal Experience?

Pictures from sumitas.

I think the Saarlands look alright. There was one at the Keeneland Two Year Old Sale that looked really good. Pletcher ended up buying her. I don't know her name but she is out of a Storm Cat mare named Joying. Keep your eye open for that one.

This is beyond retarded.

There were two at the OBS sale this week. Hips 4 and 527. Hip 4 was a late out but I thought looked good. The consigner said he just had the horse for 60 days. I thought the work was nice but they ended up pulling it from the sale. Hip 527 RNA'd for 4K I think and did not look good. If you cant sell a horse at this sale (the last 2 yr old sale) you are in tough luck.

I know a very small sample size.

I thought the Scrimshaw's didnt look too bad for the price if you were trying to bargain shop.

This DrugS is an overrated loser... The Saarland was a lock..

I wouldnt invest a nickel on anything he has to say..First class LOSER

I don't know that I'd draw too many conclusions about Saarland from this filly. At $400,000, she was by far the highest price Saarland to sell at auction last year (suggesting that she was a superior individual, particularly given the bottom side of her pedigree). With the market crazy about first crop sires, especially those from the Unbridled sire line, to my way of thinking, it is not a good sign that Saarland's average yearling last year only sold for about $40,000 and that he only had three sell for a figure in excess of $100,000. Obviously, time will tell.

His book was beyond ordinary...

The quality of his book is a reflection of what the breeders think of him as a stallion prospect, especially in his first crop. I guess then that we should expect "ordinary."

I expect Saarland to be a great stallion.. He was a very ordinary grade 2 plodder. His pedigree is wonderful and he was a very pleasing horse to look at.. Of course his first book sucked who wants to try and resell a plodder in the age of fast and fizzle..

FYI: The filly is "out of" La Sorbonne....not Saarland. Horses are "by" their sires and "out of" their dams.
I would pm this to DrugS too, but something tells me he might already know it.

I don't think anyone was suggesting that he will be the next AP Indy. What does Saarland stand for? I would guess about $10,000. He might be alright as a $10,000 stallion.

You had better PM him immediately

According to the Stallion Register, Saarland's fee is private, and he stands an Darby Dan Farm in Lexington KY.


http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-r...n=singlesearch

If the quality of his first book was as poor as you suggest, then it would be a big surprise if he produces much this year. And if that happens, then it's a virtual certainty that the number of mares he will see and the quality of those mares that he does get will continue to decline as breeders opt for the next "flavor of the month." The facts that you are presenting only serve to suggest that he'll be a regional stallion in three years.

If I recall my conversations with the people at Darby Dan this spring, I think you could have visited him this year for about $6,000 (which is half the $12,500 for which he stood in his first year).

Nice to see that a 400K yearling filly by Saarland can really run.

79 offerings from his crop through yearling sales - only two brought six figures - and that one was by far the most expensive.

I was wrong though - I didn't think Saarland would throw one horse worth a damn. This filly is obviously very nice.

I remember when Victory U.S.A (who cost a mere 525K) handily won her debut at Del Mar in near track record time - with Mike Smith pumping his fist and showboating before the wire. It was 6 lengths back to eventual two-year-old Grade 1 winning filly Hollywood Story in 2nd.

Victory USA's freshman sire at the time, Victory Gallop, now stands in Turkey.

One nice debut winner does not make a crop or sire - and this was BY FAR Saarland's most expensive yearling.

I dont know which was more shocking, Saarland winning with a firster or M Henning winner with a firster.
They should just go ahead give her the Eclipse award, afterall that really looked like a stellar bunch she beat today.

Great?

Did you like the Saarland filly that Pletcher bought at Keeneland in April for $300,000? I liked that filly but I did not expect her to go for that much. I thought she would go for $150,000-$200,000.

I bought one but already sold it. I thought they were pretty ordinary as a whole from what i saw. I really liked one at keeneland sept. late in the sale but went way too high for me.

I thought she was ok. A few of the Saarland's at the earlier sales just seemed outright awful to me and I didn't expect much from him to start with.

Excuuuuse me...BY Saarland....

...in case you are interested in following her, the Saarland 2yo filly out of Joying is named Joy of Compounding

I think the only one that I liked from the 2 year old sales was the one that Pletcher bought. There was one other one at Ocala March that I was luke-warm on after watching the first preview, but I didn't like the horse's second preview.

There was actually one other one that I liked at Barrett's May. She only sold for $37,000 but she looked like a runner.

I doubt that Saarland will be anything special but he's probably alright standing for $5,000-$10,000.

Thanks Dave.

You think an Unbridled out of Vtreaty is ok for 5 to 10k that was reasonablely successful on the track.. Thx your a peach..Oh BTW on 6/18 a filly smoked them in 57 at Belmont..I wait all night for post like these

So are you saying that he's a steal standing for $10k? Are you going to buy a bunch of breedings to him?

I will send our Tiznow mare to him at 10k in a heartbeat...DrugS is most likely throwing up on himself as he reads this

He may be a bargain at $10,000. I have no idea. It's not an exact science. So far I have only seen a limited sample of his 2 year olds. The one that ran today looked good. And I thought that a couple of his other 2 year olds looked pretty good.

His stud fee seems reasonable to me.

I know...just an oversight while I was typing. Thanks for your assistance.

Trainers and agents saying that they "don't like" the offerings from a particular stallion generally mean something to me. Obviously this filly was the start of her crop and her price shows it. (As an aside, I remember asking Todd Pletcher when Coronado's Quest's babies were 2, what he thought of CQ. Let's say that he was NOT impressed with the ones he had. With his breeding and looks I though CQ would do well. That's why he's Todd and I am not.)
There is a difference between a trainer/agent saying "I don't care for the Saarlands" when he's $10k and saying "I don't care for the Smarty Jones'" when he was $100k.
Let's face it, based on price alone the expectations are far higher for Smarty (or any high ticket horse) than the Saarlands etc. I don't recall a huge groundswell of horsemen praising the Distorted Humor's when they hit the weanling/yearling/2yo sales, yet he sired a Derby winner and then some in his first crop and is now one of the most expensive stallions in the world.

That's a fair point, but even in his price range there seems to be considerably more buzz attached to the Chapel Royals and the Friends Lakes.