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Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 10:33 AM

Wow, someone actually gets it...
 
http://news.bloodhorse.com//viewstory.asp?id=45763

"As an aside, Thayer, had harsh words for a congressional hearing on medication that is scheduled in Washington, D.C. on June 20. Thayer said he believed regulation of drugs in horse racing is a state issue that should not involve the federal government and that the panel is “objectionable.”

Thayer labeled the hearing a “dog-and-pony show” and questioned whether Congress would have the ability to regulate horse racing when it could not help resolve the nation’s economic problems.

His statement led to a verbal clash with Whitfield, whose husband, Rep. Ed Whitfield, is one of the organizers of the congressional hearings. Both Thayer and Whitfield are Republicans."

SentToStud 06-17-2008 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
http://news.bloodhorse.com//viewstory.asp?id=45763

"As an aside, Thayer, had harsh words for a congressional hearing on medication that is scheduled in Washington, D.C. on June 20. Thayer said he believed regulation of drugs in horse racing is a state issue that should not involve the federal government and that the panel is “objectionable.”

Thayer labeled the hearing a “dog-and-pony show” and questioned whether Congress would have the ability to regulate horse racing when it could not help resolve the nation’s economic problems.

His statement led to a verbal clash with Whitfield, whose husband, Rep. Ed Whitfield, is one of the organizers of the congressional hearings. Both Thayer and Whitfield are Republicans."

The states are doing a great job, I suppose you think.

10 pnt move up 06-17-2008 11:05 AM

I normally advocate state rights and control, in this case though with simulcasting racing clearly has crossed state lines and needs to be federally regulated....and that is a painful statement to make. With the internet there has to be some uniform rules rather then the weak interpretations some of these states have made.

freddymo 06-17-2008 11:06 AM

What do they get?

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
The states are doing a great job, I suppose you think.

The odds that the feds will do a better job is less than zero especially considering they have no intention of actually regulating anything. Perhaps you believe that Mr. and Mrs. Whitfield deeply care about a business that they have had no ties or connection to and intend on "fixing" it out of their love of horses. Some of us dont.

Rileyoriley 06-17-2008 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The odds that the feds will do a better job is less than zero especially considering they have no intention of actually regulating anything. Perhaps you believe that Mr. and Mrs. Whitfield deeply care about a business that they have had no ties or connection to and intend on "fixing" it out of their love of horses. Some of us dont.

Is it Mrs. Whitfield that has some connection with the Humane Society?

freddymo 06-17-2008 11:18 AM

Someone, Somebody, some organization had better get a handle on the drug issue in racing soon.

SentToStud 06-17-2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The odds that the feds will do a better job is less than zero especially considering they have no intention of actually regulating anything. Perhaps you believe that Mr. and Mrs. Whitfield deeply care about a business that they have had no ties or connection to and intend on "fixing" it out of their love of horses. Some of us dont.

There is no reason to believe the feds cannot have a positive impact, especially as the states, the tracks and the hosermens' groups have proven they are unable or unwilling to address the medication abuse issues. There is also no reason to jump so far forward that people would believe that if there is some fed regulation, there would be no state oversight.

There s no good reason there cannot be federal legislation addressing medication and slaughter issues with the states responsible for other regulation and administration of all regs.

There are federal laws that apply to the insurance industry and yet states are responsible for regulation.

And not loving a sport or business has nothing to do with whether you can regulate it.

freddymo 06-17-2008 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
The odds that the feds will do a better job is less than zero especially considering they have no intention of actually regulating anything. Perhaps you believe that Mr. and Mrs. Whitfield deeply care about a business that they have had no ties or connection to and intend on "fixing" it out of their love of horses. Some of us dont.


Chuck the fed's had a huge impact on professional sports, once they targeted drugs..

Riot 06-17-2008 11:37 AM

I imagine that Whitfield, under goading from HSUS President Wayne Purcell, will indeed try to use amendments to the interstate gambling act to increase takeout nationally, in order to fund an ongoing federally-supervised permanent "control" of horse racing.

Riot 06-17-2008 11:42 AM

Quote:

As an aside, Thayer, had harsh words for a congressional hearing on medication that is scheduled in Washington, D.C. on June 20. Thayer said he believed regulation of drugs in horse racing is a state issue that should not involve the federal government and that the panel is “objectionable.”

Thayer labeled the hearing a “dog-and-pony show” and questioned whether Congress would have the ability to regulate horse racing when it could not help resolve the nation’s economic problems.

His statement led to a verbal clash with Whitfield, whose husband, Rep. Ed Whitfield, is one of the organizers of the congressional hearings. Both Thayer and Whitfield are Republicans.
Bingo.

My next hope is that Thayer biotch-slaps Whitfield into submission, so I don't have to spend my time and money making sure Whitfield never gets re-elected in my state.

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley
Is it Mrs. Whitfield that has some connection with the Humane Society?

Yeah that would be her.

SCUDSBROTHER 06-17-2008 11:46 AM

Considering the many problems we had getting some states to stop treating Blacks like animals, I am not in favor of states rights. I am in favor of having 2 separate countries (America, and Nascartonia.)

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
Someone, Somebody, some organization had better get a handle on the drug issue in racing soon.

Please control yourself

Coach Pants 06-17-2008 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Riot
Bingo.

My next hope is that Thayer biotch-slaps Whitfield into submission, so I don't have to spend my time and money making sure Whitfield never gets re-elected in my state.

No doubt. He didn't live here to begin with.

Bigsmc 06-17-2008 11:46 AM

Bruce is that the same Damon Thayer that used to do the DRC Replay Show in the mid 80's?

Coach Pants 06-17-2008 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Considering the many problems we had getting some states to stop treating Blacks like animals, I am not in favor of states rights. I am in favor of having 2 separate countries (America, and Nascartonia.)

3...Little Mexico.

freddymo 06-17-2008 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Please control yourself

I can't DrugS is at OBS bidding on misbred 2 year olds that he thinks can run.. lol

SentToStud 06-17-2008 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Bruce is that the same Damon Thayer that used to do the DRC Replay Show in the mid 80's?

I was paroled out of Detroit a bit before that. Can't say.

SCUDSBROTHER 06-17-2008 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants
3...Little Mexico.

Who gets Dodger Stadium?

pgardn 06-17-2008 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Considering the many problems we had getting some states to stop treating Blacks like animals, I am not in favor of states rights. I am in favor of having 2 separate countries (America, and Nascartonia.)

So the Civil War ended the wrong way
for you...

This is cool. A Fed. v. States rights discussion possibly.
Supreme Court fodder. We are good.

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
There is no reason to believe the feds cannot have a positive impact, especially as the states, the tracks and the hosermens' groups have proven they are unable or unwilling to address the medication abuse issues. There is also no reason to jump so far forward that people would believe that if there is some fed regulation, there would be no state oversight.

There s no good reason there cannot be federal legislation addressing medication and slaughter issues with the states responsible for other regulation and administration of all regs.

There are federal laws that apply to the insurance industry and yet states are responsible for regulation.

And not loving a sport or business has nothing to do with whether you can regulate it.

If you believe this will actually happen there is a bridge that i can sell you...


Though I believe that the RMTC has done many things the wrong way the basic mission that they have is a good one. To say that nothing has been done concerning the drug issue is wrong. It may have not been conducted in the most efficent or effective manner but to act as though nothing has been done or that the feds will have a better plan is simply wrong.

Horse slaughter is not a horseracing problem, it is a people problem. The vast majority of horses sent for slaughter arent racehorses. If there were effective laws made by Congress, horseslaughter would not be an issue. Of course then all the unwanted horses roaming around starving would become an issue as it has already.

Only you can believe that Whitfield 1 and 2 have good intentions especially in light of her humane Society connection after she magically appeared at the KHRA's doorstep.

Bigsmc 06-17-2008 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
I was paroled out of Detroit a bit before that. Can't say.

It is him, I googled him and found his resume.

He's come a long way from those DRC days.

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo
I can't DrugS is at OBS bidding on misbred 2 year olds that he thinks can run.. lol

Please control your pursestrings then





plus if you wind up owning much out of that bunch of steeds you may need the drugs....as well as the horses

SentToStud 06-17-2008 11:57 AM

4. The Peoples Republic of North Cuba.

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Who gets Dodger Stadium?

Chan ho Park

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgardn
So the Civil War ended the wrong way
for you...

This is cool. A Fed. v. States rights discussion possibly.
Supreme Court fodder. We are good.

Shouldnt you be in summer school?

ArlJim78 06-17-2008 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bigsmc
Bruce is that the same Damon Thayer that used to do the DRC Replay Show in the mid 80's?

wow, impressive pulling up that one from the archives. as a former detroiter i don't recall that name or the replay show. spent a lot of time at drc back in the day though.

Riot 06-17-2008 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
If you believe this will actually happen there is a horse that i can sell you....

FTFY :rolleyes:

Bigsmc 06-17-2008 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78
wow, impressive pulling up that one from the archives. as a former detroiter i don't recall that name or the replay show. spent a lot of time at drc back in the day though.

The first replay show I ever saw. I was fascinated. Apparently, I used some long term memory space to store that name. Should have used that space for something useful...

SentToStud 06-17-2008 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
If you believe this will actually happen there is a bridge that i can sell you...


Though I believe that the RMTC has done many things the wrong way the basic mission that they have is a good one. To say that nothing has been done concerning the drug issue is wrong. It may have not been conducted in the most efficent or effective manner but to act as though nothing has been done or that the feds will have a better plan is simply wrong.

Horse slaughter is not a horseracing problem, it is a people problem. The vast majority of horses sent for slaughter arent racehorses. If there were effective laws made by Congress, horseslaughter would not be an issue. Of course then all the unwanted horses roaming around starving would become an issue as it has already.

Only you can believe that Whitfield 1 and 2 have good intentions especially in light of her humane Society connection after she magically appeared at the KHRA's doorstep.

I have been donating to RMTC for a few years and their intentions are good. But their results are pretty lousy. So, I have bought the bridge. You are too late.

The positive steps by RMTC and NTRA are akin to running the ball late in the 4th quarter while you are down 3 touchdowns.

The industry groups are far too incestuous. Nothing gets done. The penalties for breaking rules are next to nothing.

Yet, you and other trainers and owners say that steroids do not enhance performance. Is that bridge still for sale?

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-17-2008 12:20 PM

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hoovesupsideyourhead 06-17-2008 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER
Considering the many problems we had getting some states to stop treating Blacks like animals, I am not in favor of states rights. I am in favor of having 2 separate countries (America, and Nascartonia.)

THOUGH IM SURE YOUR MORE OF A GERBIL TYPE.....:eek:

SCUDSBROTHER 06-17-2008 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Chan ho Park

LOL...Padres did give him 15 million that one year.:p :p :D :eek:

Riot 06-17-2008 12:27 PM

Good summation from NY Times, details that have been present to the Committee regarding horse deaths state-by-state, and trainer med positives:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/sp...ts&oref=slogin

Rileyoriley 06-17-2008 12:30 PM

Only you can believe that Whitfield 1 and 2 have good intentions especially in light of her humane Society connection after she magically appeared at the KHRA's doorstep.[/quote]





From what I understand, they are being very selective about who will testify. Others who have asked to testify ( and in my opinion, would be very good witness's) have been declined. This appears to be very one-sided. Again, just my opinion.

SCUDSBROTHER 06-17-2008 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
THOUGH IM SURE YOUR MORE OF A GERBIL TYPE.....:eek:



A Pensacola Breakfast

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18639725@N07/2587929994/

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
I have been donating to RMTC for a few years and their intentions are good. But their results are pretty lousy. So, I have bought the bridge. You are too late.

The positive steps by RMTC and NTRA are akin to running the ball late in the 4th quarter while you are down 3 touchdowns.

The industry groups are far too incestuous. Nothing gets done. The penalties for breaking rules are next to nothing.

Yet, you and other trainers and owners say that steroids do not enhance performance. Is that bridge still for sale?

The RMTC and its goals have not progressed fast enough for many simply because of the political nature of their mission. They concentrated on the penalty phase first before the research was properly done which is backwards. To think that this Congressional inquiry will not go down that same path is amusing.

Steroids dont enhance performance but you can believe whatever you want.

What you and most others are not getting that this whole thing is NOT about helping horseracing. It is about helping Ed Whitfield and helping further his wife's organizations agenda. Horseracing is not the primary goal here, it is the vehicle to get what this guy wants.

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

That looks like east LA

Cannon Shell 06-17-2008 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rileyoriley
Only you can believe that Whitfield 1 and 2 have good intentions especially in light of her humane Society connection after she magically appeared at the KHRA's doorstep.





From what I understand, they are being very selective about who will testify. Others who have asked to testify ( and in my opinion, would be very good witness's) have been declined. This appears to be very one-sided. Again, just my opinion.[/quote]
yeah a loaded deck. stunning development.


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