So is it still Jack?
 

to the ones who still contend Jack is the all time best to ever step onto green grass. Are you naysayers ready to to concede Tiger is god with a golf club

No. That's what records are for.

nope.

Jack - 18 major wins, 19 seconds
Tiger - 14 wins...... and a long way to go to catch that.

tiger is a god with the club and probably nobody was ever as talented, but alltime honors still belong to jack. will tiger overtake him eventually? probably if things continue. but until then its still jack if you ask me.

First off, Tiger and Jack are both Gods.

2ndly..

Jack has 20 Majors and Tiger has 17 (I Dont care what anyone says about those numbers!)......... TIGER IS only 32 ****ING YEARS OLD!


But I also dont care how many more majors tiger wins than Jack eventually, Jack is still a God (and you can make the case that Jack faced tougher competition.. well at least mentally tougher)!

This debate is very tough. You have two players that played in very different eras against very different competition. Jack competed against higher quality players closer to him, whereas Tiger plays against much deeper fields, but there are very few high quality players close to him.

Very different golf ball, equipment, course set ups, etc...

Jack certianly owns the records for right now, but it seems a matter of time before Tiger breaks those records.

Save Ben Hogan, I doubt there is anyone in the history of the game that is able to the things with the golf ball that Tiger does.

That shot out of the bunker was pretty serious.

One of my favorite shots is taking my 5w and hacking the **** out of sand, always seem to hit it well. :)

Tigers record of never losing a major when leading after 54 holes is very impressive IMO, and does he ever miss a put when he HAS to make it. Jack was a great putter too, but man. Putting is the one part of the game where technology hasn't made much of a difference.

It was a real treat to watch for these last 5 days. One for the ages.

GPK, if Jack had the same technology as Tiger where do you rate them? If they were both 32 and Jack played with modern equipment

i don't know. i was at this club in thailand...

Tough to call. Jack was clearly a straighter driver of the golf ball and Tiger's wedge game is much better than Jacks. They are the two best clutch putters in the history of the game. The only thing that seperates them IMO is stritcly the numbers and Tiger still has some career left to him. Very little seperates them..

That there is just downright funny...

Hogan.. Ouimet.. Hagen.. Jones..

Uh no.

Id like to see Ben Hogan with todays technology vs Tiger if anyone it would be Ben Hogan. But Jack has nowhere near the physical and athletic gifts Tiger has so he loses there already, Tiger has more shots, more imagination, a better ballstriker, and he is the better putter. There is no more comparison between the two, only thing that is between them now is the 5 majors Tiger needs to break Jack's major record.

If anything though Jack is far and away the sportsman, gentleman, and class on/off the golf course. That I cannot dispute or would debate over.

Best ballstrikers of all time:

Tie 1st - Woods, Hogan
3rd - Moe Norman
4th - Snead
5th - Trevino
6th - Jones
7th - Garcia
8th - Nelson
9th - Watson
10th - Nicklaus

I totally disagree with the putting comment. Jack NEVER, NEVER missed a putt on 18 for birdie to win. Tiger makes more longer putts than Jack did... but I'd take Jack on a pressure putt on the last hole.
I do agree that Tiger has more shots and is a better ballstriker (but part of that is due to the better equipment of today).

When it comes to Jack and Tiger with course management, Jack blows him away.

I have a hard time agreeing with that. I'm not saying Tiger is better at that, but I think they are very equal. You figure anyone, that has the discipline to hit 1 driver in the course of 72 holes, in a major championship like Tiger did at Hoylake...that's the definition course managment. He missed 4 fairways all week...an amazing 91% of fairways hit in a major.

What kind of a list is this?

Where's Gene Sarazen in these discussions?

And none of you have even brought up Babe Didrickson...

yeah Kev your slackin on your pimpin man. Wheres Davis Love for god sakes?

Gene was an amazing player. Great players aren't always great ballstrikers though. Great players know how to play the game properly.

and Mildred could play and was a good ball striker, but she was just stronger than the rest of the gals.

Davis will never be confused with the best ballstrikers of all time.

kev don't forgot snead or nelson

nelson reitred well early in his career and think about how many more majors snead would have won if ben hogan had not recoverd from the car accident

as for a golf swing , none was ever more fluid and picturesque than the slammer , but the others all could get the ball in the hole better than the man from hot springs

I have Snead as #4 on my list of ballstrikers.

ok kev - i know sergio can strike it , but how in the world can you put him ahead of numbers 8, 9 , and 10 and where is greg norman he is by far on the list due to the fact that he was the longest/straighest driver in the hisotry of the game

snead in my opinion is #1 for ballstriking only

If Sergio had the brain and putting stroke of Tiger...he would have won so many majors by now, its scary.

as far as Greg Norman? F*ck him...choking rat shoulda have won 8-10 majors.

Chandler Harper played with both those guys, he used to tell me NO ONE could come close to Hogans ballstriking.

kev i don't disagree on the fact that norman should have won more,but, from a pure ball striking standpoint he has to be on the list

kev - name a longer and straighter driver of the golf ball than Greg Norman

u can't - he will live in infamy because of Larry Mize, Bob Tway - miracle shots that beat him

he totally broke down against faldo in the '96 masters and the '90 british open

but the shot i'll never forget is in the british open playoff against calc - norman drove into a bunker which was in the middle of the fairway and unreachable by anyone all week! - he preceed to make an "x" on the hole !!!!

kev - hogan was a better player than snead no question , he out worked snead, no question , he had more heart the snead no question , he was better under the gun no question, but Snead could do things with the golf club that Hogan was not physically capable of doing

I simply have to disagree Marty. I will take the mans word that played side by side against both of them for years.

Norman was a great driver of the golf ball, no question, probably one of the best.

Tom Watson was on steroids...at least his pants were

http://www.hookedongolf.com/articles...ord_watson.jpg

Chuck...PLEASE dont try that look. :eek:

havent seen the name Tom Weiskopf being thrown around and he was straighter and longer than Jack

Steve Jones at #6 is ABSURD! Maybe before the injury, but come on. And Larry Nelson at #8, nice guy, but give me a break:)

Shhh. Scav was eyeballing those pants. It was going to be his new waitress killer look for the fall of '08. Now, you may be scaring him off.

As far as the list, I will not argue with a dude with gp in front of his name.

I think it is ironic that you wrote this just after talking about Sergio... talk about a choking rat.

It is near impossible to compare eras in any sport. They are both supremely great. Era's can't be compared. Which is why I will always state Otto Graham is the best qb ever...better than Montana, Brady, Manning and whomever else you want to toss up there. He did something no one will ever match. But as far as which is better...Tiger or Jack??...there isn't really a wrong answer.