REAL HORSE meeting Good For Nothing Turf Sprinters
 

Seems as if quite a few here look down upon turf horses, and turf sprinters in particular. Tomorrow, a 'real horse', First Defence, gets to show some no good turf sprinters what racing is all about. No Commentators in here.

Hopefully this stays on the turf.

Let's whip on those NY breds.

2 horse race...
first defence does appear to be lone speed, and possibly the class

emirates to dubai is strong when right.

if there is any value, like 20 doller or more exacta, i might get off the pick 4 craze, and box that hard

He finally gets to do what his older doppleganger, Latent Heat, never got to do.

Unfortunately, Latent Heat seemed better bred for grass despite neither his sire or damsire ever setting foot on the stuff. Of course, having Toussaud as your second dam and Unbridled's Song as your sire, isn't slumming, either.

Starting threads about 6:5 shots now Fat Man?

Step it up, will ya.

First Defence = off the board in the Jaipur.

Pace is a definite problem, but I still think E To D takes it. If he gets him stuck, please throw eggs.

no chalk here
 

Fatboy likes First Defence about as much as he likes Ariel Smith entering the turn...

Pretty safe to say he is betting AGAINST.

'real horse'

Good luck with that.

Forecast seems benign did Belmont see significant rain last night that would be expected to take races off the turf today?

Happy Father's Day to those who have the blessing of children.

We had some pretty substantial thunderstorms.

Races 5, 7 and 10 are off the turf.

Maybe he likes the color also?

:rolleyes:

hopefully Frankel doesn't scratch

While it's always a shame when you lose turf races, we really needed the rain, and overall it's a good thing. Frankly, a day of rain Monday would do the turf course wonders.

Yeah that never happens...:rolleyes:

perhaps, but I see enough question marks to go against for the win.

no pushover for first defence

the 9 has speed and coa
the 1 had speed and the inside
the 8 may the schwartz be with you!!

I think the 9 True To Tradition has a good shot. 1'st D has a dirt class edge, if that transfers to turf he'll be tough. Can't take the low odds though. I see him getting gobbled up in the stretch and hear the splashing of the bridge jumpers! I'll play a 4-9 exacta box. and a 4,9-1,3,5,6-4,9 tri.

Being one of those on here with a bug up your ass about turf/poly horses, it figures this is what you get out of this thread.

Would love to have seen English Colony in here.

I love Turf sprints!

e to d scr...

There goes my exacta. Straight win on True To Tradition at 3-1 0r better

:eek: :eek: What next? Oh I know. My mom's gunna sucker punch me by making me talk on the phone to relatives that I wish were in the ground 5 years ago.

Byk should lock this thread up. A friggin thread about a 3-5 shot. Takes real stones to tout a 3-5 shot......fat man must be on a strict diet of chalk bars.

That's right, DOUCH. This thread is about me picking a 3:5 shot. Takes a real sharpie like you to figure that out. Cause, all I do here is give out 3:5 shots.

Well that sucks, especially considering Fat Man's boy would have had a nice view of his butt.

Oh well.

This thread is a real gem to those of us who enjoy mediocre smack.

I like the people who think there is comparable speed in the race to run with First Defence. Now that's funny.

If he breaks even close to clean he can have whatever lead he wants. He is so much faster early than his competition it's incredible.

when at the end.?.he closes...e of d..

Assuming he likes yielding turf. . .

I'm not saying he has to win. He probably will, but regardless, he has an enormous pace advantage.

This is a 'seminal' race of sorts. We have an acknowledged 'very good' dirt horse meeting good turf sprinters on their surface. A horse that ran with Commentator early last out in insane fractions facing a bunch on NY breds and a mare. I'm very interested in seeing how FD runs, as I'm not convinced, as many are, that turf sprinters are no talent bums. Unfortunately, the field is not of the caliber, relatively, that FD is, and the course is off. He's supposed to be beat this field but I don't know if that will reveal much, if anything.

I hope, that we see more of these types of races in the future, between the better quality horses of each surface. As noted previously, I wish English Colony were in the race.

the first post calls them "no good" turf sprinters, now they have suddenly become "good" turf sprinters.

are you being a "richard "again andrew........

I really need to tone is down a bit here. I'm assuming a reasonable intellect level. My bad.

Hard to believe that my intent is so completely MISunderstood. This is not about me TOUTING a horse. Nor is there an inconsistency in my comments. It's in response to a recent claim that turf sprinters are basically USELESS; by someone on this forum. Thus, the original post is from that perspective; the perspective that DIRT horses are superior out of hand.

And here we have a higher quality dirt horse facing good turf sprinters.

That this field is 'good', is MY assessment.

GET IT?

What you're really doing is proving my point.....First Defence has proven that he cannot compete effectively at a high level on the dirt so Frankel is now taking the next step. I know, you can argue First Defence is better than I am saying, and I don't disagree, but in the overall scheme of things he's been a failure.

Now, the BC turf sprint probably facilitated his move to turf sprints, so that's good, but the bottom line is that if he were good enough to succeed in major dirt sprints he wouldn't be in here.

No. If you actually looked at the pps and really think there is contending speed then you don't know what you're looking at.

Sorry. But that's the truth. First Defence, if he breaks clean, can have any lead he wants.

He's even worse on the turf than dirt.

You know that I think this horse is a PUNK. I've stated this previously. But, he's still one of the better sprinters out there. You can't argue that. And today, we see that he needs EVERY INCH of a pace advantage to beat a 'good' field. He gets CRUSHED in an honest race or a better field.

One way of looking at it is that he's here, with the 'losers', because he's failed
in the grander arena. Another might be: maybe the losers aren't that bad after all at their game.