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Kasept 06-11-2008 02:31 PM

6/14 (CD): Stephen Foster Day
 
6th (3:46) Fleur de Lis H. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $300,000

1 Aspiring Leparoux J R 111 LA
2 Peach Flambe Albarado R J 116 LA
3 Initforthekandy McKee J 113 LA
4 Kathleens Reel Borel C H 114 L
5 Hystericalady Gomez G K 121 LA
6 Cowgirls Don't Cry Luzzi M J 115 LA



7th (4:17) Regret S. (G3)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 C J's Leelee Albarado R J 116 LA
2 Clearly Foxy Bridgmohan S X 118 LA
3 Zee Zee Desormeaux K J 122 LA
4 Pure Clan Leparoux J R 116 L
5 Absolutely Cindy Mojica O 116 LA
6 Magical Theater Borel C H 116 LA
7 Miss Mafioso Castanon J L 116 LA



8th (4:49) Northern Dancer S. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $175,000

1 Recapturetheglory Baird E T 122 LA
2 Pyro Bridgmohan S X 122 LA
3 Tiz Now Tiz Then Mena M 116 L
4 Unbridled Vicar Borel C H 116 LA
5 My Pal Charlie Theriot H J II 116 L
6 Visionaire Gomez G K 120 LA
7 Texas Wildcatter Leparoux J R 116 LA



9th (5:21) Jefferson Cup S. (G2)

1 1/8 Miles (Turf) | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $200,000

1 Halo Najib Desormeaux K J 117 LA
2 Budge Man Castanon J L 117 LA
3 Wicked Style Leparoux J R 117 LA
4 Tizdejavu Gomez G K 121 LA
5 Golden Yank Theriot H J II 117 L
6 Old Man Buck Albarado R J 119 LA
7 Bobby Blue Eyes Mena M 117 L
8 Go West Bert Borel C H 117 LA



10th (5:51) Stephen Foster H. (G1)

1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 Curlin Albarado R J 128 LA
2 Delightful Kiss Mena M 114 L
3 Sam P. Desormeaux K J 113 LA
4 Einstein (BRZ) Leparoux J R 118 LA
5 Grasshopper Gomez G K 117 L
6 High Blues Lanerie C J 113 LA
7 Red Rock Creek Bridgmohan S X 113 LA
8 Jonesboro Theriot H J II 114 LA
9 Barcola Castanon J L 113 LA
10 Brass Hat Borel C H 116 L



11th (6:21) Early Times Mint Julep H. (G3)

1 1/16 Miles (Turf) | Fillies and Mares | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $150,000

1 Sprung Bridgmohan S X 114 LA
2 Mama I'm Home Hernandez B J Jr 115 LA
3 Dreaming of Anna Gomez G K 123 LA
4 Sousaphone Castanon J L 112 LA
5 Rustic Flame (IRE) Faulkner G 111 LA
6 Street Sounds Albarado R J 115 LA
7 Ballymore Lady Leparoux J R 114 LA
8 Kiss With a Twist Mena M 113 LA
9 Danzon Desormeaux K J 115 LA
10 Tears I Cry Theriot H J II 114 LA
11 Ciao Luzzi M J 115 LA

hockey2315 06-11-2008 02:54 PM

Why waste Einstein here?

Sightseek 06-11-2008 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
Why waste Einstein here?

He was supposed to run in the Manhattan but couldn't because of licensure problems so there weren't too many other options for him.

slotdirt 06-11-2008 03:10 PM

He's really shown great form on dirt, so I completely understand the decision.

Coach Pants 06-11-2008 03:11 PM

I might make the trip to see Curlin.

Bobby Fischer 06-11-2008 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I might make the trip to see Curlin.

While you're watching the greatest dirt horse in the world in all his majesty,
can you pass along a snide complaint about einstein on dirt?
thx
BF

hockey2315 06-11-2008 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
He was supposed to run in the Manhattan but couldn't because of licensure problems so there weren't too many other options for him.

I know about the Manhattan but this just seems like a stupid spot to run him - especially after how he ran in the Donn.

jcs11204 06-11-2008 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I know about the Manhattan but this just seems like a stupid spot to run him - especially after how he ran in the Donn.

i said the other day he is handled poorly and ppl were ready to kill me... this is why

Bobby Fischer 06-11-2008 03:33 PM

Quote:

10th (5:51) Stephen Foster H. (G1)
Quote:


1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $750,000

1 Curlin Albarado R J 128 LA
2 Delightful Kiss Mena M 114 L
3 Sam P. Desormeaux K J 113 LA
4 Einstein (BRZ) Leparoux J R 118 LA
5 Grasshopper Gomez G K 117 L
6 High Blues Lanerie C J 113 LA
7 Red Rock Creek Bridgmohan S X 113 LA
8 Jonesboro Theriot H J II 114 LA
9 Barcola Castanon J L 113 LA
10 Brass Hat Borel C H 116 L
Where is Heatseeker??

Bigsmc 06-11-2008 03:33 PM

Delightful Kiss :cool:

tiggerv 06-11-2008 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
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Where is Heatseeker??

Hollywood Gold Cup

jwkniska 06-11-2008 03:48 PM

Interesting to see that Calabrese/Catalano got rid of Cornelio (that part didn't surprise me, as his ride on derby day was horrible)... but replaced with Gomez IS a surprise.

slotdirt 06-11-2008 04:00 PM

I could understand the placement if the horse excelled at dirt. I haven't seen that, at least not in his US career.

slotdirt 06-11-2008 04:18 PM

I don't know, Smart Strike has got at least a few solid turf runners. I don't think it's completely crazy that they would want to try the Arc.

ateamstupid 06-11-2008 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slotdirt
I don't know, Smart Strike has got at least a few solid turf runners. I don't think it's completely crazy that they would want to try the Arc.

Correct. And it's not completely crazy to put Einstein on dirt. He's 2-for-4 lifetime on it, and he ran a 98 Beyer in the Donn. Probably good enough to get third in this race, maybe second if Grasshopper shits the bed again. And what huge turf race is coming up that this will rule him out of?

Sightseek 06-11-2008 04:41 PM

I just don't think anybody likes to be happy...a trainer is actually willing to do something different and take a shot and everyone wants to know why they are 'wasting' the start, yet at the same time those same people will complain when horses are kept in the barn or duck the competition.

Clip-Clop 06-11-2008 04:54 PM

I was really kind of hoping that Papa would send Perfect Drift in to get a piece of this.

Coach Pants 06-11-2008 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
I just don't think anybody likes to be happy...a trainer is actually willing to do something different and take a shot and everyone wants to know why they are 'wasting' the start, yet at the same time those same people will complain when horses are kept in the barn or duck the competition.

Yes because when we use that logic we realize there aren't any turf races at this time for the horse to run in. :zz:

Coach Pants 06-11-2008 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
There really isn't any until next month.

There was the Manhattan. Incompetence spreads like a deadly virus. If they're so desperate for a race maybe they should wait for the Gold Cup in two weeks. There's no need to put this horse against Curlin. It's a waste of time.

Coach Pants 06-11-2008 05:44 PM

Am I the only one who thinks that Pitts made the decision on this one with revenge on her mind? I can understand why she'd have sour grapes...but what good can come from running Einstein on a track that will be equal to the Indianapolis Motor Speedway's surface? It's not like this horse has any shot against Curlin unless something goes horribly wrong.

I just can't think of any other viable reason that doesn't border on insanity.

ateamstupid 06-11-2008 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
There was the Manhattan. Incompetence spreads like a deadly virus. If they're so desperate for a race maybe they should wait for the Gold Cup in two weeks. There's no need to put this horse against Curlin. It's a waste of time.

Except if they run him in the Gold Cup, he can't run in the Firecracker or in a Million prep. Not to mention the cross-country ship and Cushion Track issues.

I don't understand what the big problem is. There's no one in the race other than Curlin, the horse needs a race and it's not like he's been abysmal on dirt.

Coach Pants 06-11-2008 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Except if they run him in the Gold Cup, he can't run in the Firecracker or in a Million prep. Not to mention the cross-country ship and Cushion Track issues.

I don't understand what the big problem is. There's no one in the race other than Curlin, the horse needs a race and it's not like he's been abysmal on dirt.

Oh yes the illustrious Firecracker. Big purse on that one.

If the purse isn't an issue I don't see why Churchill can't card a bunny race like Gulfstream did for War Pass this winter.

Cushion track issues? If he has issues on Cushion Track then they will be tenfold on the speedway. It's dry as a bone down here right now.


Also remember this horse has been shelved the past two years over injuries. This just seems like a bad risk to me. I hope he comes out of the race ok, but I think he'll be shelved again.

hockey2315 06-11-2008 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
I just don't think anybody likes to be happy...a trainer is actually willing to do something different and take a shot and everyone wants to know why they are 'wasting' the start, yet at the same time those same people will complain when horses are kept in the barn or duck the competition.

I'm not unhappy that the horse is running - quite frankly I don't care either way. But if I were connected to the horse I wouldn't enter him in a race he can't win. . . he's probably the best turf horse in America and he's already won two Grade 1's this year - so why the rush to throw him into this race? And they already took a shot with him in the Donn and he didn't win - and there was no Curlin in that race. Wait for the races that are right for him - it's only June.

Danzig 06-11-2008 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sightseek
I just don't think anybody likes to be happy...a trainer is actually willing to do something different and take a shot and everyone wants to know why they are 'wasting' the start, yet at the same time those same people will complain when horses are kept in the barn or duck the competition.

exactly-he's two for for, which i see ateam also pointed out. he couldn't run where they were pointing him, and he's ready to go. why not go for a shot at an inflated purse? curlin is vulnerable-first back after dubai, and he is carrying more weight than he will in the classic for example. best time to take a shot imo.

Coach Pants 06-11-2008 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
He probably can't beat him. But isn't this the time to try and beat Curlin, coming back from Dubai? I don't think it's a stretch to think he can run second in here. It's not like he's some bum. He would have been the favorite in the Manhattan last weekend. I'd just rather see him running, than sitting in the barn waiting for a turf race in a few weeks.

I wouldn't bother complaining if he were a bum. I actually like the horse and don't want to see him out for the rest of the year...which seems to be his pattern. And I don't feel this race helps his chances of making it to the Breeders cup.

Danzig 06-11-2008 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hockey2315
I'm not unhappy that the horse is running - quite frankly I don't care either way. But if I were connected to the horse I wouldn't enter him in a race he can't win. . . he's probably the best turf horse in America and he's already won two Grade 1's this year - so why the rush to throw him into this race? And they already took a shot with him in the Donn and he didn't win - and there was no Curlin in that race. Wait for the races that are right for him - it's only June.

it's not a rush-the horse was geared up for a race, and then they couldn't run due to his owner being in jail, and the licensing being a mess. he's ready for a race, and just the other day there was serious doubt that curlin would even show.
if people entered a race only with the expectation that they could WIN, we wouldn't have very many large fields.

and for everyone saying curlin can't lose, all i can say is big brown and the belmont. you never know.

Danzig 06-11-2008 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I wouldn't bother complaining if he were a bum. I actually like the horse and don't want to see him out for the rest of the year...which seems to be his pattern. And I don't feel this race helps his chances of making it to the Breeders cup.

now, in that regard, yes-i can see why it might be a question mark as to why they're running.

ateamstupid 06-11-2008 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Oh yes the illustrious Firecracker. Big purse on that one.

If the purse isn't an issue I don't see why Churchill can't card a bunny race like Gulfstream did for War Pass this winter.

Cushion track issues? If he has issues on Cushion Track then they will be tenfold on the speedway. It's dry as a bone down here right now.


Also remember this horse has been shelved the past two years over injuries. This just seems like a bad risk to me. I hope he comes out of the race ok, but I think he'll be shelved again.

The hard track concern is a good point, but it doesn't make any more sense to ship him across the country, IMO. And the Firecracker would essentially be a prep for the Million and he'd be a lock to win it, so wouldn't it at least be nice to have the option of running in it?

Would it be safer to save him for a turf race in July? Probably. But I don't see the huge travesty in trying Curlin off the plane from Dubai in a $1 million race with no one else of note (except maybe Grasshoper) entered.

If the dirt is as bad as you say it is, I'd be concerned about everyone's safety, not just Einstein's.

Sightseek 06-12-2008 08:57 AM

What a great picture of Helen & Einstein..

http://www.horsephotos.com/watermark.jsp?photoID=60564

hoovesupsideyourhead 06-12-2008 05:39 PM

im all over brass hat:rolleyes:

Bobby Fischer 06-12-2008 06:26 PM

Curlin on top

High Blues or Red Rock Creek offer value underneath, while big names (barcola,einstein,grasshopper) are hit or miss.

Brass Hat - Did Calvin Borel work him on June 7th?

Bobby Fischer 06-12-2008 06:31 PM

Yes ^.

“I wanted him to pick it up late, and he did that,” Bradley said. “I started timing him at the three-quarter pole and had him going six furlongs in 1:14 and 2 (fifths), galloping out seven-eighths in 1:26 and 2 and out the mile in 1:40.”
Borel, who rode the seven-year-old son of Prized for the first time in the mile and a half Louisville Handicap (GIII) on the turf in his most recent start, was equally pleased with the work.
“I let him gallop out past the wire and he was strong,” Borel said. “They had better come with their running shoes on next week.”



Brass Hat should be slightly improved, is in good shape, and should have a good chance to finish in the money.

ateamstupid 06-12-2008 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer
Curlin on top

High Blues or Red Rock Creek offer value underneath, while big names (barcola,einstein,grasshopper) are hit or miss.

Brass Hat - Did Calvin Borel work him on June 7th?

LOL @ calling Barcola a "big name".

Bobby Fischer 06-12-2008 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
LOL @ calling Barcola a "big name".

True true.

jcs11204 06-12-2008 07:54 PM

am i the only one giving grasshopper a decent shot at winning this... i remember a few years ago mineshaft went down in this race at very short odds to perfect drift... i just think grasshopper's last 2 were totally out of his game, 1 mile and sloppy.... could be sitting on something huge


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