Pyro returning Saturday
 

Likely to run (along with Recapturetheglory and Visionaire) in the Northern Dancer at Churchill.

Pure Clan will also try turf in the Regret..

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95344.html

CAN PYRO really make any noise in the division ?

If Da' Tara can, then they are a whole lot of horses that can make noise in this division.

If Pyro returns to his previous dirt form he could be a monster in this group.

I am very excited to see Pyro coming back. After his clunker on the Poly, then his disappointing finishing in the Derby, I think there is no bigger question out there right now than how he will do. Very true that if he can regain his previous dirt form that he will be a moster, and if not he is pretty much done.

DrugS has a chubby already!

What form he is slow like the rest of this years class.. His best race was sucking up for second in the Champagne to the only fast horse..War Pass

Here are some of the horses Pyro beat this spring in his two victories:

My Pal Charlie
Yankee Bravo
Blackberry Road (Eligible for allowance conditions)
Stevil (Non-threat in the Preakness)
Tale of Ekati (1st Wood Memorial, 4th KY Derby)
Majestic Warrior (Lost both the Derby Trial and Woody Stephens)
J Be K (Was never a router)
Unbridled Vicar
Z Fortune (Lost the... Ohio Derby!)
Visionaire (Dusted in the Derby)

Is there anyone besides Big Brown that would somehow make that list more impressive? Guadalcanal beat Big Brown so does that mean he's better?

Whoopity doo.

oh he beat other plugs in Louisiana this winter. BFD.

Sure seems his best running was done as a 2YO

I don't know if that is fair to say about a closer who lost his races as a 2yo and then won them as a 3yo. If he doesn't get the same setup on the front end but still closes to win then I don't think the time is that important. I think he's a better horse from 8 to 8.5 furlongs that has his closing kick dulled as the distances get longer.

Put him under the care of a honest trainer and he'll end up being a 40k claimer.

That's my feeling as well.

I'm more impressed with the run Recapturetheglory had in the Derby than anything Pyro did this year.

Really?

Yup.

He did run huge in the Derby

He will be tough if he runs that race

Guess I saw it differently than you guys. He tracked an average pace, totally avoided trouble, and held on for fifth. What was huge about it?

Did you happen to know that he was acting like an idiot and tossed ET Baird in the tunnel, he was completely bonkers.

I also thought he ran pretty big in the Derby given that circumstance

I saw his last work, live actually, and it was real good, first 2f in 24, last two in 20 and was full of run....

Forgot about that, but once the gates were open, he was just OK, IMO..

Of the 12,000 people there, I think you, I and two others were the only ones who knew we were watching a workout, not a horse loose on the track. Nobody had a clue what that was all about

Yeah I know, at least 70% didn't even know he was in the Derby, Graham did crack him once with the whip about 100 yards from the wire and he really exploded, was a pain to get pulled up.

I know that Lara (Roussel's assistant trainer) looked real happy and Graham said he worked real good....

Pyro's such a rat..

come on now, until he ran up the track on the AWT, he was a big voice in the division. two off efforts, and now seemingly back to his former self.


nice effort by pure clan on the grass as well.

Seemed like a real fast race. I wouldn't be surprised if Pyro won the West Virginia Derby.

Pyro's just not very good. . . It sounds redundant - but what an awful race/field.

I agree - if he couldn't beat that field - he probably has cancer or aids or something like that.

I was shocked that he paid 9/5 though. Recapturetheglory is still elidigible for N2X races and he was uncontested on the lead in a paceless ILL Derby over a gold rail. I know there wasn't much pace in this race - but I figured Pyro's repute - diminished as it has been - would push him to odds on.

From glancing at the final times - assuming they don't split a variant -his Beyer will come back 2 or 3 points less than Curlin's and 7 points more than Hystericalady's.

However, something tells me you might see them split the 8.5 and 9f races.

He's just terrible. I mean, if he were a handicapper, he'd probably be going on and on about horses like Harlem Rocker and Undbridled's Heart. Now, THOSE are VERY GOOD horses.

They've both run more impressive races than Pyro in my opinion. . .

and i thought pyros races earlier this year were pretty good-albeit not terribly fast. but no one has been all year. at least pyro put several good ones together, rather than a one and done. but we'll see how Unbridleds heart and harlem do next out....

as an aside....i found it interesting that every horse who has come back from the peter pan has won next out-they mentioned it on hrtv.

I'm pretty sure that's not true. . .

Well, they more IMPRESSIVELY BOMBED next out is probably more accurate.

dunno, didn't go fact-check it, but that's what stevens and pincay said. of course, doesn't mean it's true either!

Just like Pyro did in the Bluegrass and Derby, right? Look - obviously Pyro's done more from an accomplishment standpoint than Harlem Rocker and definitely more than U's Heart who may just not be that good. And he was my second choice in the Derby. . . But, at least the other two (maybe just HR) have a chance to be very good - unlike Pyro - who clearly has a ceiling at this point (somewhere around a 95 beyer).

Ready's Echo (3rd in the Peter Pan) didn't win next out unless I'm forgetting something. . . and the winner obviously hasn't run again yet. That leaves Golden Spikes and Mint Lane and maybe some other also rans. . .

yeah, they mentioned that it was a shame that casino had to scratch from the belmont. it was after golden spikes win that they mentioned it, but perhaps they weren't thinking about the whole peter pan field when they said it.

Ready's Echo was 3rd in the Belmont. Spark Candle got beat bad in the Hill Prince. Mint Lane won yesterday. Tomcito and Casino Drive haven't started again. Not sure about Cosmic or anything else from there.

why was Recapturetheglory so far off the pace today? I thought he had some speed to him.

i think you'll find his illinois derby run/win an aberration. he hadn't done anything leading up to that race of note, and i don't think he will after.