Patrick Biancone
 

When does he come back ? When he comes back what happens ? is it like starting over, or will he get some of his old horses back ?

I think late October he can apply for his trainers license again.

He's already purchased a farm. Whether he gets his prior owners back remains to be seen but I wouldn't be surprised if Coolmore gives him horses again. He's pretty tight with them.

Perhaps more importantly, will any tracks give him stalls?

how does that work ? they dont have to ?

Tracks don't have to give anyone stalls. Therein lies their power. Keeping them from entering in races is a different story.

That doesn't mean they can't utilize private training centers.

i consider patrick a lot like me, and chuckles... a all time great. would they keep stalls away from him

I'm assuming there may be some legal distinction for allowing entries, but I've never understood what it is. If the trainer doesn't have, for want of a better word, the character to deserve stalls, why does he have the character to enter races? All you end up doing is simply inconveniencing him.

am i the only one who cringes at 'chuckles'?

patrick biancone is many things, an all time great is not one of the names i would give him.
it wouldn't break my heart one bit if he was denied stalls.

i went a bit over the top on that one... i just have always liked him.

Don't worry, Danzig...the karma police will get him. And if they don't the karma chameleon will make him feel uncomfortable.

him as in biancone? dude got caught with cobra venom, which is used to nerve a horse, and has (last i heard) no test that can detect it in a horses system. you think he only had it because he wanted more than just cream in his coffee? he got a year off for dammed good reason.

it comes and goes tho, right??

Boy George is touring the US??

He can print tickets but no stalls (halls) for him!!!

Depending on the jurisdiction -- one is a track management issue, while the other is a state/racing commission/etc. issue.

Eric

He'll return and win both Keeneland meets running off the farm.

You can get a square price on that.

Cheating stinks no matter who does it. I always thought Biancone's horses were turned out well and wouldn't think twice about betting on his horses again. He is a very good trainer from all reports. You don't get horses from the folks he gets horses from because your hair cut is gorgeous and you have a a special beer belly. I guess the guy is a dam good horseman...save the snake juice

Being a good horseman and being a cheater are not mutually exclusive concepts.

Save for the part about being a cheat on 2 continents...

Isn't there an on-going investigation or scheduled hearing or something regarding possible violations of his suspension terms? I would assume that his return could be delayed if this was determined to be the case. I can't recall the specifics, but maybe someone can find a related article and post a link.

I will not defend his cheating but i am certain the guy is a top notch trainer, perhaps with a few vices he needs to correct

We have seen great teams and athletes, throughout the world of sports, cheat. We've seen entertainers and performers "cheat" (to some extent, if we would include lipsyncing as cheating per se).

While certainly not a defense or justification, as a matter of fact it's irrelevant; but a trainer can be an excellent trainer, horseman, etc. -- but also be cheating. OTOH, there are great trainers and horsemen who produce results and do not cheat.

Eric

Freddy, I respect your opinion, but I have a hard time seperating where his horsemanship begins and his chemistry ends.

I guess I'm surprised that on a board, and in a racing environment in general, that questions the need for any steroids at all, the use of whips, etc, that a trainer(s) who are convicted cheaters, and not just for trace evidence, would be given the benefit of the doubt that their "greatness" is independant from their cheating.

That's a good point. I don't think it's a benefit of the doubt. There are people who believe that a specific trainer is great BECAUSE of the chemistry and the cheating. There are others who know it. And, OTOH, there are those who know that even though someone is cheating, has cheated in a particular case, etc. -- even though, that specific trainer is a good trainer, excellent horseman, etc. However, like I said -- it doesn't matter.

Eric

It becomes semantics at some point, you're right

Come on now... Is that really fair?

It is three continents!

:tro:

Has anyone been following his progress since the return?I am wondering if he will be at Keeneland next month?

Abysmal.

1 for 40 at the current Santa Anita meet. Maybe we have a better sense now where the good horsemanship began and the chemistry ends.

I'm going to play back Egypt if the price is right for the 4% Biancone this Friday if he goes.

Isn't possibly why he bought interest in the farm in the first place? Just in case the tracks don't give him stalls. Hadn't thought of it until now.

Have him on my horses to bet back too.

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$38.40

And he (and the Fat Man) did it with ILLman picking the horse.

Biancone has done enough for the meet. :rolleyes: