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DogsUp 06-07-2008 05:54 PM

Curlin May Skip Stephen Foster due to Weight
 
Here is the story

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ory?id=3431220

Cannon Shell 06-07-2008 05:55 PM

They want the accolades but also want everything else handed to him.

Quiet Chris 06-07-2008 05:56 PM

He should skip it. Stephen Foster is a joke. Go to the Suburban and then the Whitney.

Danzig 06-07-2008 06:02 PM

curlin been eating too many honey buns?

Bigsmc 06-07-2008 06:06 PM

:rolleyes:

Danzig 06-07-2008 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
:rolleyes:


:D

well surely it can't be that he would have to carry too much. hell, he's a superhorse.
how the hell do they think they can get anyone else to run?

The Bid 06-07-2008 06:18 PM

I wonder if Dutrow is still calling for Curlin after getting humiliated today

Bigsmc 06-07-2008 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
:D

well surely it can't be that he would have to carry too much. hell, he's a superhorse.
how the hell do they think they can get anyone else to run?

The eyeroll wasn't meant for you Zig. It was for the title of the thread, I didn't have to read the accompanying story to know that it would make me want to....:rolleyes:

Danzig 06-07-2008 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigsmc
The eyeroll wasn't meant for you Zig. It was for the title of the thread, I didn't have to read the accompanying story to know that it would make me want to....:rolleyes:

oh....

well, apparently i'm beyond stupid anyway, so no surprise that i didn't understand.

King Glorious 06-07-2008 07:21 PM

Didn't he just carry 128 in Dubai? I think this may be Asmussen's way of getting Churchill to thow another $5 million from their "special fund" to get him to come. I mean, they were already throwing extra money and he was already coming so why not try to get more? Especially with that big money offer from Suffolk, which by the way, will never happen now.

Merlinsky 06-07-2008 07:27 PM

I can't figure out why a)they carry 126 in the TC and that's not a problem, and b) 2 lbs more is gonna dent his ability.....they're really just mad the other horses got so little in comparison and it's not their fault they're facing a reigning HOY and World Cup winner. He's done so well they get the break. He can carry the weight just fine. Asmussen needs to grow up and take a shot. And I though Frankel was whiney about weight. Not that it's something to crow about in terms of weight-carrying but they won't give him 130 plus out of fear and that's not right. Tracks shouldn't be bullied with a 'I'm gonna take my horse and go home' when they're trying to do what the conditions call for and handicap the bloody race. That's their job.

Cannon Shell 06-07-2008 07:36 PM

It is just laughable that they want to call the horse one of the alltime greats and yet are afraid to carry 128 against a bunch of washed up horses or bums. it would be one thing to complain about the weight if he was giving a lot to another top horse but this bunch? you could make a case that they weighted him too low.

Danzig 06-07-2008 07:38 PM

it's somewhat gratifying to me, since i don't think he's all that and a bag of potato chips anyway. he's just miles the best because he's the only halfway decent horse out there-much like the one who finished last at belmont today.

i'd imagine it's something besides just the weight. maybe curlin isn't quite 'there' yet, and they don't want to say he's not 100%. but how often is a horse absolutely perfect?

Merlinsky 06-07-2008 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
It is just laughable that they want to call the horse one of the alltime greats and yet are afraid to carry 128 against a bunch of washed up horses or bums. it would be one thing to complain about the weight if he was giving a lot to another top horse but this bunch? you could make a case that they weighted him too low.

Amen. I'm figuring he's gonna go to try to get his mitts on the earnings record unless they're really afraid he won't win it. Every quarter of a million counts. That's really what they're pointing to.

Cannon Shell 06-07-2008 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky
Amen. I'm figuring he's gonna go to try to get his mitts on the earnings record unless they're really afraid he won't win it. Every quarter of a million counts. That's really what they're pointing to.

Like that record proves anything anyway. hell with Sheikh Mo upping the ante in Dubai that record wont last long anyway.

Merlinsky 06-07-2008 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Like that record proves anything anyway. hell with Sheikh Mo upping the ante in Dubai that record wont last long anyway.

It's been beaten internationally correct? By the Japanese and their insanely large purses for J-breds? The record would be for Americans and seems like it means you have to run at 4 to have a shot at it. At the rate they're going it's actually gonna become less and less likely. Remember how much of Curlin's money came at 3 (he didn't just get the DWC to have a shot at breaking it) and he had to get it by lasting through the entire TC and winning the BCC.

jcs11204 06-07-2008 09:40 PM

this is crazy, he is easily the 1 or 2 in the world, he should win next sat. for fun.........but if i were his connections i would do this with him, have some fun with him... i would take this route.

suburban...
whitney....
turf classic....
arc...
now if he ran that table, you could consider him a all time great.

Cannon Shell 06-07-2008 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
this is crazy, he is easily the 1 or 2 in the world, he should win next sat. for fun.........but if i were his connections i would do this with him, have some fun with him... i would take this route.

suburban...
whitney....
turf classic....
arc...
now if he ran that table, you could consider him a all time great.

I already consider you an alltime great

VOL JACK 06-07-2008 09:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
It is just laughable that they want to call the horse one of the alltime greats and yet are afraid to carry 128 against a bunch of washed up horses or bums. it would be one thing to complain about the weight if he was giving a lot to another top horse but this bunch? you could make a case that they weighted him too low.

Assman knows if he cries wolf, the execs at CHD will tighten up Huffman and curlin will be carrying 108 instead of 128. They may have to give the mount to Johnny McKee. HAHA

jcs11204 06-07-2008 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I already consider you an alltime great

thank you chuck, this means a lot to me.

jcs11204 06-07-2008 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I already consider you an alltime great

i think you would consider me ALL TIME LEGEND, if i told you who the other possible 1-2 in the world is, IMO

Cannon Shell 06-07-2008 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by jcs11204
thank you chuck, this means a lot to me.

:{>:

jcs11204 06-07-2008 09:57 PM

being serious for a moment... i thought he is going to run in the arc ? is there a game plan, or schedule of races for curlin ?

philcski 06-08-2008 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
It is just laughable that they want to call the horse one of the alltime greats and yet are afraid to carry 128 against a bunch of washed up horses or bums. it would be one thing to complain about the weight if he was giving a lot to another top horse but this bunch? you could make a case that they weighted him too low.

Agree 100%

freddymo 06-08-2008 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I already consider you an alltime great

I bet you do.. This guy has more free time then I do which I didnt think was possible

ateamstupid 06-08-2008 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
He should skip it. Stephen Foster is a joke. Go to the Suburban and then the Whitney.

Huh? I'd love to hear this one backed up.

SniperSB23 06-09-2008 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Quiet Chris
He should skip it. Stephen Foster is a joke. Go to the Suburban and then the Whitney.

Is the Suburban even an option? Didn't the NY license for Midnight Cry expire?

SentToStud 06-09-2008 12:38 PM

Curlin 128
Student Council 118
G'hopper 117
Brass Hat 116

What was the last horse to carry 128 whie giving 10-11 lbs here? I believe he carried 132 in Dubai giving all 19 or more. Pretty impressive. Can't recall the last horse to be giving this kind of weight.

ArlJim78 06-09-2008 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
Curlin 128
Student Council 118
G'hopper 117
Brass Hat 116

What was the last horse to carry 128 whie giving 10-11 lbs here? I believe he carried 132 in Dubai giving all 19 or more. Pretty impressive. Can't recall the last horse to be giving this kind of weight.

it is impressive but it looks fair to me. without giving weight like that the race isn't interesting.

Scav 06-09-2008 12:47 PM

Don't be surprised to see Curlin entered along with Student Council, and Curlin SCRATCHED......

GPK 06-09-2008 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Don't be surprised to see Curlin entered along with Student Council, and Curlin SCRATCHED......


You got it all now, don't ya?

A monster has been created.


Now...if we can just your handicapping knowledge to come around....:)

Scav 06-09-2008 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPK
You got it all now, don't ya?

A monster has been created.


Now...if we can just your handicapping knowledge to come around....:)

Yes, I know, ever since I got nosed with Tom Archdeacon at Arlington on KNS Day, when I was 6 for 6 on the day, it has been downhill

SentToStud 06-09-2008 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Yes, I know, ever since I got nosed with Tom Archdeacon at Arlington on KNS Day, when I was 6 for 6 on the day, it has been downhill

As an aside, my next Arlington public appearance will be on Thurs, 6/19 around 3pm.

GPK 06-09-2008 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Yes, I know, ever since I got nosed with Tom Archdeacon at Arlington on KNS Day, when I was 6 for 6 on the day, it has been downhill


The racing Gods knew you were approaching PG1985 territory...so they decided to reign you in a bit....

Scav 06-09-2008 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
As an aside, my next Arlington public appearance will be on Thurs, 6/19 around 3pm.

Do you ever come on a WEEKEND? No can do on that day.

Scav 06-09-2008 01:02 PM

James F'N McMullen, he won't win another race all meet

SentToStud 06-09-2008 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scav
Do you ever come on a WEEKEND? No can do on that day.

Work Friday, family Saturday, fly out Sunday. Take an hour off. You still owe me a sandwich for that Bears-Dolphins game 5 years ago.

Scav 06-09-2008 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SentToStud
Work Friday, family Saturday, fly out Sunday. Take an hour off. You still owe me a sandwich for that Bears-Dolphins game 5 years ago.

Get you a footlong dog, it is serious 1 foot long, it is awesome

SentToStud 06-09-2008 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav
Get you a footlong dog, it is serious 1 foot long, it is awesome

I'd rather stop at Jimmy D's or go out of the way and hit Super Dawg.

Scav 06-09-2008 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SentToStud
I'd rather stop at Jimmy D's or go out of the way and hit Super Dawg.

they are BUILDING A SUPER DAWG in WHEELING...Finally approved it, the guys son is going to run it out here....opens Spring 09

While I love the tradition, I can't stand the green tomatoes....


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