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King Glorious 06-04-2008 04:34 PM

Best Use of an Extra $250k
 
So let's see, Churchill has cut purses by 20% this meet but they came up with the brilliant idea to add $250k to the purse of the Foster as an incentive to get Curlin to run there. Now, to be fair, the money is not coming out of the horsemen's purse account but rather, it's coming from a marketing account set aside for special circumstances. As I said, it's a brilliant move on Churchill's part to secure the presence of the reigning HOY and pry him away from the other race that they were considering for him on June 14th. Oh wait.......

ateamstupid 06-04-2008 05:20 PM

Churchill ups Foster purse to $1 million
 
Purportedly to secure Curlin..

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95158.html

letswastemoney 06-04-2008 05:22 PM

That's silly. He was probably going to go there anyway.

justindew 06-04-2008 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Purportedly to secure Curlin..

http://www.drf.com/news/article/95158.html

Another worthwhile thread from Mr. Stupid.

ateamstupid 06-04-2008 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Another worthwhile thread from Mr. Stupid.

Hmmm.. A thread about one of the premier dirt races in the country raising its purse by 33% to attract a horse.. Or a thread about one typo in an article nobody cares about..

Which seems more relevant, Mr. Hard Spun is Sore?

Cannon Shell 06-04-2008 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by letswastemoney
That's silly. He was probably going to go there anyway.

Exactly.

justindew 06-04-2008 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Hmmm.. A thread about one of the premier dirt races in the country raising its purse by 33% to attract a horse.. Or a thread about one typo in an article nobody cares about..

Which seems more relevant, Mr. Hard Spun is Sore?

I'm not Mr. Hard Spun is sore. Get your facts straight, cuz yours aren't even close.

So, the premiere news organization in the world confusing the nationality of the owner of a horse with the nation where the horse was bred is not humorous on some level, considering the crappy overall coverage this sport gets? Well, I disagree.

justindew 06-04-2008 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Hmmm.. A thread about one of the premier dirt races in the country raising its purse by 33% to attract a horse.. Or a thread about one typo in an article nobody cares about..

Which seems more relevant, Mr. Hard Spun is Sore?

Also, I'm not breaking your balls for posting the Churchill story. I'm breaking your balls for breaking my balls for doing exactly what you did.

ateamstupid 06-04-2008 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Also, I'm not breaking your balls for posting the Churchill story. I'm breaking your balls for breaking my balls for doing exactly what you did.

This is news. You reported a typo. I'm pretty sure you can tell the difference, but I digress.

Agreed with Chuck and letswastemoney. It seems more like a ploy to get horses to run against him rather than to get him.

justindew 06-04-2008 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
This is news. You reported a typo. I'm pretty sure you can tell the difference, but I digress.

Agreed with Chuck and letswastemoney. It seems more like a ploy to get horses to run against him rather than to get him.

Was it also a typo when the AP referred to a son of Dynaformer as "a half-brother to Barbaro"?

There's a profound difference between a typo and ignorance. (Andy, please. Resist.)

ateamstupid 06-04-2008 08:23 PM

OK. You win. Tell Steve to cancel the first segment of his show tomorrow so he can properly address the AP calling Casino Drive "Japanese-bred."

Cannon Shell 06-04-2008 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
This is news. You reported a typo. I'm pretty sure you can tell the difference, but I digress.

Agreed with Chuck and letswastemoney. It seems more like a ploy to get horses to run against him rather than to get him.

I would love to know who they are trying to "lure" with the added $250? Please just give me one name.

justindew 06-04-2008 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
OK. You win. Tell Steve to cancel the first segment of his show tomorrow so he can properly address the AP calling Casino Drive "Japanese-bred."

Or I could just post it here. Which is what I did.

Idiot.

justindew 06-04-2008 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I would love to know who they are trying to "lure" with the added $250? Please just give me one name.

Just throwing this out there. Just a thought. Everyone calm down....

If am not mistaken (and I often am) aren't coupled entries eliminated if the purse is a million or more in Kentucky. Not sure if this would apply here, cuz I'm not sure who is even pointing for this besides Curlin.

Coach Pants 06-04-2008 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew

Idiot.


ateamstupid 06-04-2008 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Or I could just post it here. Which is what I did.

Idiot.

:rolleyes:

philcski 06-04-2008 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Or I could just post it here. Which is what I did.

Idiot.

Do you purposely try to act like a jackass to alienate yourself in everything you do, or just here?

justindew 06-04-2008 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Do you purposely try to act like a jackass to alienate yourself in everything you do, or just here?

Give me one example of a time I have gotten confrontational first.

King Glorious 06-04-2008 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
So let's see, Churchill has cut purses by 20% this meet but they came up with the brilliant idea to add $250k to the purse of the Foster as an incentive to get Curlin to run there. Now, to be fair, the money is not coming out of the horsemen's purse account but rather, it's coming from a marketing account set aside for special circumstances. As I said, it's a brilliant move on Churchill's part to secure the presence of the reigning HOY and pry him away from the other race that they were considering for him on June 14th. Oh wait.......

According to the DRF article, the race has been rewritten to require that a grade one winner start in order for the extra money to be made. If that's the case, if Curlin skips the race and Brass Hat runs, it's still a $1 million race. This will indeed "guarantee a top-notch field that will take the status of this important race to an even higher level."

Figured I'd put this here and consolidate the threads. I was actually debating on another forum with someone that said this move would help the Foster undercard. Seriously. Another said that this would help draw more horses and strengthen the Foster. Now, I could understand if Curlin's connections were debating between this race and the Suburban and Churchill did this to sway them. That would make sense. Or if they had announced it a few weeks ago and were somehow able to lure Heatseeker or Tiago over. Then it would be a great move. But to spend $250k to lure a horse that was already coming there makes no sense to me. While the poor are getting poorer, let's throw some more money to the rich. Unless of course they are thinking that this extra money will maybe lure Great Hunter or Fairbanks. Yeah, then it's worth it. One person even told me this money will help restore the Foster's reputation. Seriously.

hockey2315 06-04-2008 09:21 PM

Great Hunter or Fairbanks?

philcski 06-04-2008 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Give me one example of a time I have gotten confrontational first.

First? What is this, elementary school- "he hit me first, principal!"

justindew 06-04-2008 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
First? What is this, elementary school- "he hit me first, principal!"

So by defending myself, I am in the wrong? I'm not trying to tick anyone off.

Look, I get ripped on all the time here because people assume that since I write for the Derby site, that I think I am the world's greatest handicapper or racing writer. I have claimed neither, because obviously neither is true. And when this becomes clear in my posts, people feel it's their job to "put me in my place." And that's fine. I don't care at all. The day I get upset about what some douche who has never met me says about me is the day I put a bullet in my head. But at the same time, I'm going to defend myself when people get unfairly personal.

The best way to spot people who take themselves too seriously is to see how they respond to people who DON'T take themselves seriously at all. And on this board, there are about 5 people who know there stuff (I'm not one of them) and a whole lot of people who know about 1/5th of what they think they know, and who take themselves and their opinions way, way too seriously.

Coach Pants 06-04-2008 09:38 PM

I just hate how corporations put bloggers on their websites. It's a sign of the internet apocalypse.

You're working for free or for very little pay and you're taking a job away from a real journalist and/or handicapper.

justindew 06-04-2008 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
I just hate how corporations put bloggers on their websites. It's a sign of the internet apocalypse.

You're working for free or for very little pay and you're taking a job away from a real journalist and/or handicapper.

As for the comment about bloggers, I can't say I disagree. But you better get used to it.

As for my pay, you are wrong on every count. I am paid well for my work considering the amount of time I put into it. And I am taking a job away from no one. Bloggers are not journalists, and Churchill Downs employees journalists.

Coach Pants 06-04-2008 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
I can't say I disagree, but you better get used to it.

Uh no I don't.

It's on Churchill to get my business. Right now they're not getting a penny from me because they're being run by a bunch of monkeys in overpriced suits. They're notorious for cutting corners and isolating their customers. It's only a matter of time before they're bought out and/or completely change their business model.

VOL JACK 06-04-2008 09:46 PM

:confused:

Leave it CHD to screw their everyday owners out of 20% of the original purse. Citing that they have to because of the horsemans stance with the signal being withheld. However, they can bump a purse by 250k to attract a horse that the trainer has been saying for weeks that hes planning to run.

Just dont see how they manage to fucl< up every decison they make. Even when there isnt an issue that needs a decision.

The Bid 06-04-2008 09:47 PM

Welcome to horseracing

justindew 06-04-2008 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Uh no I don't.

It's on Churchill to get my business. Right now they're not getting a penny from me because they're being run by a bunch of monkeys in overpriced suits. They're notorious for cutting corners and isolating their customers. It's only a matter of time before they're bought out and/or completely change their business model.

Sports reporters are already losing readership to bloggers. It's a fact. I'm not saying it's right, but it is what it is.

I don't see how putting a blog on a website is hurting their business. While you may not be a fan of my blog, I do have a lot of readers. And Churchill Downs has spent more and more money on the Derby site every year of its existance.

Coach Pants 06-04-2008 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VOL JACK
:confused:

Leave it CHD to screw their everyday owners out of 20% of the original purse. Citing that they have to because of the horsemans stance with the signal being withheld. However, they can bump a purse by 250k to attract a horse that the trainer has been saying for weeks that hes planning to run.

Just dont see how they manage to fucl< up every decison they make. Even when there isnt an issue that needs a decision.

Because they have a tech guy running the company now. Not that Meeker was worth a bottle of piss, mind you.

He should be fired for wasting money on that retarded OTB style video on Twinspires. He must think the majority of Twinspires account holders are on T1 connections.

justindew 06-04-2008 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants
Because they have a tech guy running the company now. Not that Meeker was worth a bottle of piss, mind you.

He should be fired for wasting money on that retarded OTB style video on Twinspires. He must think the majority of Twinspires account holders are on T1 connections.

You have no idea how much it cost to "create" that new feature. And you act as if account holders have no other option when watching video on the site.

eajinabi 06-04-2008 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King Glorious
So let's see, Churchill has cut purses by 20% this meet but they came up with the brilliant idea to add $250k to the purse of the Foster as an incentive to get Curlin to run there. Now, to be fair, the money is not coming out of the horsemen's purse account but rather, it's coming from a marketing account set aside for special circumstances. As I said, it's a brilliant move on Churchill's part to secure the presence of the reigning HOY and pry him away from the other race that they were considering for him on June 14th. Oh wait.......

This almost tells me that Curlin is 100% to win this.

philcski 06-04-2008 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
So by defending myself, I am in the wrong? I'm not trying to tick anyone off.

Look, I get ripped on all the time here because people assume that since I write for the Derby site, that I think I am the world's greatest handicapper or racing writer. I have claimed neither, because obviously neither is true. And when this becomes clear in my posts, people feel it's their job to "put me in my place." And that's fine. I don't care at all. The day I get upset about what some douche who has never met me says about me is the day I put a bullet in my head. But at the same time, I'm going to defend myself when people get unfairly personal.

The best way to spot people who take themselves too seriously is to see how they respond to people who DON'T take themselves seriously at all. And on this board, there are about 5 people who know there stuff (I'm not one of them) and a whole lot of people who know about 1/5th of what they think they know, and who take themselves and their opinions way, way too seriously.

Nah dude, I don't care who you are or what you do for a living, and most people on here probably don't either- just like they don't care what I do for a living. We're here to talk about racing- not about the economy, or typos, or other bullsh*t like that. You can do that on the CNN website if you want. We already know that most mainstream writers and editors couldn't tell you what a furlong is, let alone get ownership and birth locations correct.

The part I bolded in your response is clearly in conflict with what you said above- if you didn't care, you wouldn't respond/defend yourself.

By the way, the best racing writer owns the DRF, and anybody else is a distant second. Don't think you'll disagree with me there.

justindew 06-04-2008 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
The part I bolded in your response is clearly in conflict with what you said above- if you didn't care, you wouldn't respond/defend yourself.

Wrong.

I can care enough to defend myself without being upset.

philcski 06-04-2008 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
Wrong.

I can care enough to defend myself without being upset.

It's one and the same, dude.

pgardn 06-04-2008 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philcski
Nah dude, I don't care who you are or what you do for a living, and most people on here probably don't either- just like they don't care what I do for a living. We're here to talk about racing- not about the economy, or typos, or other bullsh*t like that. You can do that on the CNN website if you want. We already know that most mainstream writers and editors couldn't tell you what a furlong is, let alone get ownership and birth locations correct.

The part I bolded in your response is clearly in conflict with what you said above- if you didn't care, you wouldn't respond/defend yourself.

So a prerequisite to post is to be as obnoxious
as possible. I love reading the racing posts on this
site. I think a tiny bit of civility is not a difficult task.

The more cynical, sarcastic, and immature the post
the better I guess. Interesting trend compared to
when this place first opened up.

I'll stay. There is a battle for Oracle's niche and
I would like to see which people fill it.

Coach Pants 06-04-2008 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
You have no idea how much it cost to "create" that new feature. And you act as if account holders have no other option when watching video on the site.

I have an idea of how much it cost and quite frankly you have no idea that I have an idea of what it cost. I know it was an unnecessary addition to the site at this time and that what they spent to implement it could've been used for essential upgrades like the brand of toilet paper they use at their facilities. The stuff they have now is like razor blades.

ateamstupid 06-05-2008 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justindew
So by defending myself, I am in the wrong? I'm not trying to tick anyone off.

Look, I get ripped on all the time here because people assume that since I write for the Derby site, that I think I am the world's greatest handicapper or racing writer. I have claimed neither, because obviously neither is true. And when this becomes clear in my posts, people feel it's their job to "put me in my place." And that's fine. I don't care at all. The day I get upset about what some douche who has never met me says about me is the day I put a bullet in my head. But at the same time, I'm going to defend myself when people get unfairly personal.

The best way to spot people who take themselves too seriously is to see how they respond to people who DON'T take themselves seriously at all. And on this board, there are about 5 people who know there stuff (I'm not one of them) and a whole lot of people who know about 1/5th of what they think they know, and who take themselves and their opinions way, way too seriously.

Call the ****in' whaambulance, bro!

It's impossible to argue with someone like you, because you ignore valid points and arguments, and almost immediately resort to calling names.

I don't take myself, nor you seriously, hence me not comprising long-winded posts and resorting to name calling with you. Seems to me that the dude who writes paragraph after paragraph and is constantly calling people idiots or morons is more likely to be the one taking things too seriously.

You annoy me a lot of times, but I don't hate you or anything.

FGFan 06-05-2008 12:22 AM

Back in late January/early February when Curlin was nominated for the Mineshaft here at the Fairgrounds, they were also deciding if he would go to Dubai. So CD offered to make the Mineshaft purse a million if he would run here.

Since they have now upped the Foster purse to a million, I am thinking when the deal was being made it was offered to have Curlin make his first run in the US after the HOY at ANY CD property.
Just a guess...I'll stay out of the rest of this now. Carry on....

ateamstupid 06-05-2008 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FGFan
Back in late January/early February when Curlin was nominated for the Mineshaft here at the Fairgrounds, they were also deciding if he would go to Dubai. So CD offered to make the Mineshaft purse a million if he would run here.

Since they have now upped the Foster purse to a million, I am thinking when the deal was being made it was offered to have Curlin make his first run in the US after the HOY at ANY CD property.
Just a guess...I'll stay out of the rest of this now. Carry on....

Stay in. The rest of this is nonsense. There's a story buried in this thread that needs to be resurrected.


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