Expert opinions - Hatta Fort odds?
 

what is he going to go off at on Friday, 3/5?

The DRF PPs have him at 15-1 . . .

TENTH RACE Probable Post 5:44 EDT
1 Mile. Turf. 3-Year-Olds. HillPrnc (Grade 3). Purse: $100,000
PP HORSE PR. RIDER WT. COMMENTS ML.ODDS
7 Prussian Desormeaux K J 120 7-2
3 Moral Compass Coa E 116 4-1
8 Gio Ponti Gomez G K 120 9-2
1 Titan of Industry Castellano J 116 5-1
5 Writingonthewall Maragh R 116 6-1
6 Dynhocracy Velasquez C H 120 6-1
2 Hatta Fort Velazquez J R 120 15-1
4 Spark Candle Prado E S 116 15-1

That can not be right......

I know. . .

I really hope that Prussian is a 'go' in this race, although I find it hard to believe since he started on May 25th, and that will only be 12 days, very unlike Mott to make a move like this.....

Like this horse a lot (and not cause he's a Godolphin runner... liked him when he was still with Channon and kicked Declaration of War's butt at Newmarket last year).

Whatever his odds? Winner. :cool:

Ok, so I didn't believe you Hockey when you posted that and I just went and checked, I can't believe my eyes. WHOEVER made that ML on there should get fired if he/she is serious. This horse is ALREADY a Grade 2 winner, and almost had a ONE HUNDRED BEYER last time. What am I missing here??

He'll be around 2-1 probably.

Do you know who makes those ML's Andy? That is absolutely NUTS.

Wait til the official one comes out. I don't trust this one either. . .

You are probaly looking at the graded entries. The ml odds on those are completely bogus. Ive seen 50-1 on the graded be 4-1 when the official ml comes out.

They're listed under graded entries but they say ML odds - I don't think the graded entries have been made and put up yet. . .

We'll try to get it updated as soon as possible.

Graded Entries for most tracks in DRF do NOT correspond with the actual morning line for the track.

The Graded Entries for Tampa are absolutely laughable.

Hell, give me 15/1 on that horse, It would be possibly the greatest bet of all time

i will you will easily get 5-1 on him....

How is he 2nd choice, who goes below him?

i looked at his pp's ran huge at keenland, but ppl will bet prussian STRONG....ppl will bet tagg, and ppl will bet clement... he will be around 9-2 or 5-1

Honestly, I will be surprised to see him in this race, when do you see Mott come back off 12 days....almost never

It'll be interesting to see how CD's stablemate runs. Might give us some insight on what to expect from CD.

Interesting read in the POST yesterday.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06022008...ilt_113590.htm

Yes, he ran in the Peter Pan.

I was thinking if he ran huge on the turf that these guys from Japan may be a little smarter than we are giving them credit for. The works for Casino Drive are a funny read right now. But if Spark Candle runs like those horses in Australia did I'm thinking it might not be all smoke and mirrors.

It isn't smoke and mirrors regardless of how the horse runs on Friday. They are training for a 12f race. The Japanese know what they are doing. You don't run 1-2 in the Melbourne cup if you don't know what you are doing. Might not matter though if Big Brown is that good, but Casino Drive will run a big race, basically because he has the 12f pedigree and a great foundation.

Was Gomez booted off of Hatta Fort or was the switch to gio ponte by choice? Anyone know?

I'm thinking that Clement didn't get enough with GP getting blocked the length of the stretch in the BC, and Gomez blowing a ton of rides on the BEL TURF by INSISTING on riding the rail (including at least one for Clement, off the top of my head).

This is a nice jockey change.:rolleyes:

I dont think it was a bad change either way. I just know that Gomez rides first call for these guys in the states (or did). I always find it interesting on how these rider changes come about. Not to say that if a rider makes a change it means that much but it CAN be a piece to the puzzle. I would think that Godolphin is a more important client than Clement but if he got booted he had no choice.

For what it's worth, the listed odds for Friday's races have been taken down from the race cards for now. The next line you see should be more accurate.

you mean from his two career starts?

Hatta Fort has got top class form here, 5-1 would be a gift if you got it..

He's going to be under 2:1.

Should be under even money as far as I am concerned

So saving ground on the turf is a bad thing? Seems Bailey made a pretty good living doing exactly the same thing. Sometimes, the hole doesn't open, and the jock will "look bad," but in the long run, the rider is giving his horse a better chance to win. It sure beats being 3-4 wide and losing all that ground.

Right, but glueing yourself to the fence is very dangerous. I prefer Cornelio Velasquez's style of being in the two path. It gives you more options while still saving ground.

It's RELATIVE. It's definitely the way to go on tight turn, hard surface courses where NOTHING comes back. On wide sweeping courses, like BEL, where getting a clear run is the most important thing a jock can do, it's NOT the way to go.

Gomez is riding perfectly for HOL. Problem is, he's at BEL.

grand so
note to self, dont treat scav's comments as gospel :)

I never said 5/1, that was PG1985 that did, I said 3/5.....

He won't be 3/5