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asudevil 05-28-2008 12:48 PM

Prado on Casino Drive
 
Shocker.

stonegossard 05-28-2008 01:03 PM

How perfect..............Prado/Casino Drive
 
Prado loses the mount on Big Brown.....then is the jock on the horse that beats Big Brown. I would say it's safe to say that Dutrow wont be riding Prado anymore if CD beats BB.


http://drf.com/news/article/94957.html

Sightseek 05-28-2008 01:06 PM

When did he ever have the mount on Big Brown? Only Rose & Kent D have ridden him.

MisterB 05-28-2008 01:06 PM

Prado is Dutrows go to guy. He won't bite off his nose to spite his face.

;)

NoLuvForPletch 05-28-2008 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard
Prado loses the mount on Big Brown.....then is the jock on the horse that beats Big Brown. I would say it's safe to say that Dutrow wont be riding Prado anymore if CD beats BB.


http://drf.com/news/article/94957.html

anyone else surprised by this, for 2 reasons?

a) as previously stated, prado and dutrow have a relationship...wouldn't it seem odd if prado beats big brown?

b) from the casino drive side...prado and dutrow have a relationship...how did it work out for hard spun last year when he had TAP's co-main man riding him against rags?

robfla 05-28-2008 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
When did he ever have the mount on Big Brown? Only Rose & Kent D have ridden him.

wasnt he listed as the rider the day he broke his maiden?

jeremy rose filled in when prado had a spill or fell ill

stonegossard 05-28-2008 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek
When did he ever have the mount on Big Brown? Only Rose & Kent D have ridden him.

Prado worked the horse after the purchase and Dutrow wanted Prado on the horse. The owners wanted Desroemeaux.

justindew 05-28-2008 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Prado worked the horse after the purchase and Dutrow wanted Prado on the horse. The owners wanted Desroemeaux.

I hear the horse wanted Mike Smith.

stonegossard 05-28-2008 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
anyone else surprised by this, for 2 reasons?

a) as previously stated, prado and dutrow have a relationship...wouldn't it seem odd if prado beats big brown?

b) from the casino drive side...prado and dutrow have a relationship...how did it work out for hard spun last year when he had TAP's co-main man riding him against rags?


I dont think Prado would risk his whole career to throw/not try in one race. If Prado gave CD a "questionable" ride a lot of trainers would never ride him again.

NoLuvForPletch 05-28-2008 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
I dont think Prado would risk his whole career to throw/not try in one race. If Prado gave CD a "questionable" ride a lot of trainers would never ride him again.

Yes, you can plainly see how it has affected Gomez's career...Hard Spun walks the shedrow faster than they went in the Belmont last year...

Antitrust32 05-28-2008 01:17 PM

Casino Drive's five furlong work Wednesday was slower than Curlin's six furlong work Monday.

stonegossard 05-28-2008 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
Yes, you can plainly see how it has affected Gomez's career...


Gomez didnt stiff HS. He just gave a bad ride. Cant really compare the 2 situations.

I think people are implying that because of the relationship between Prado/Dutrow, Prado might not try. I doubt Prado would be that stupid to jeopardize his whole future.

philcski 05-28-2008 01:28 PM

Anybody insinuating that Prado would stiff the ride on Casino Drive to try to beat Big Brown (or alternatively, to let Big Brown win) is really off base.


He isn't Jerry Bailey.

NoLuvForPletch 05-28-2008 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stonegossard
Gomez didnt stiff HS. He just gave a bad ride. Cant really compare the 2 situations.

I think people are implying that because of the relationship between Prado/Dutrow, Prado might not try. I doubt Prado would be that stupid to jeopardize his whole future.

So you are saying that there isn't anyone else out there, besides me and probably Porter, that thinks it was more than just a bad ride? 115 and 1/5 for 3/4's with Hard Spun under a Santos-like stranglehold, watching Curlin the whole way and keeping him pinned down on the rail, moving whenever he moved, while Rags was able to run in the clear the whole way.

Remember, Gomez was Rags jock and Porter wouldn't let him out of the commitment after TAP announce she was going to run.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-28-2008 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robfla
wasnt he listed as the rider the day he broke his maiden?

jeremy rose filled in when prado had a spill or fell ill

Yes.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/...0,712528.story

MisterB 05-28-2008 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You seem to be forgetting that Prado rode the Preakness to win, like he was supposed to. He boxed in Big brown out of the first turn and Dutrow complained about it in the press. Prado is a pro, I doubt he'll do anything but give his best out there.

How did Prado box in BB? This is bull crap.

Quiet Chris 05-28-2008 01:52 PM

The Japanese connections are very sharp. Prado knows how to win this race. He probably isn't on the better horse but he might be on a good enough horse if Kent moves too soon, if Big Brown just doesn't take to the Belmont track, his feet act up, or he doesn't want to run 12f. The sure TC winner isn't that sure, just likely.

If Spectacular Bid can lose, Big Brown could easily lose.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-28-2008 01:58 PM

He tried to - KJD was able to get outside - but at something of a cost.

dalakhani 05-28-2008 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
He tried to - KJD was able to get outside - but at something of a cost.

What did it cost him?

Quiet Chris 05-28-2008 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MisterB
How did Prado box in BB? This is bull crap.

Dutrow was just crying like a little girl for some reason. He should never cry about jockeys doing what Prado did considering he has used jockeys a few times to do things that weren't in the best interest of the horse they were riding.

Dutrow can say what he wants but he can't be happy to see Prado on his main competition. Prado is a better rider than Kent. Kent gets nervous, Prado does not. It probably won't matter though unless Casino Drive is incredibly talented.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-28-2008 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dalakhani
What did it cost him?

It's hard to say exactly.

If he's not a big favorite with a bullseye on his back - he and the two other speeds try and back the pace down and make it easy on each other and hard on the rest of the field.

Instead - Smith and Prado on the two other speed horses tried to do a little race riding with Big Brown and Kent did what he had to in order to get out of it.

Big Brown ran a very mediocre figure - and the other two speeds finished 11th and 12th in a 12 horse field - 8 lengths behind whoever finished 10th. Obviously all three would have ran better individual races if they decided to work as a team and backed down the pace instead of race ride.

MisterB 05-28-2008 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
If you watch the race, he attempted to keep him boxed in as they came into the backstretch. Kent D got him outside and the rest is history. But, he did try to and Dutrow noticed. Here's some of his comments about it.

Dutrow commented on the ride by Edgar Prado aboard Riley Tucker in the Preakness. Prado, who often rides for Dutrow, rode Riley Tucker aggressively to keep Big Brown down on the rail as the field entered the backstretch. After a half-mile was run, Desormeaux was able to ease back and come outside of Riley Tucker and the pacesetting Gayego. Riley Tucker finished last.

“It looked like (Prado) was just trying to keep our horse in a box, and not out to get the best finish out of his horse,” said Dutrow, who remarked he received a phone call from Riley Tucker’s owner, Ahmed Zayat, who told him he was upset by Prado’s ride. “It looked like he just did something to keep our horse in behind his horse, and he had to go out of his way to do it.”

"I got paid to win the race, not to pay favors," Prado said in a phone interview between races at Belmont Park.

Prado, a Hall of Fame jockey, was set to ride Big Brown in the horse's career debut in September but was injured two races beforehand. Big Brown's owners later chose Kent Desormeaux over Prado for his 3-year-old season.

"Edgar being with us so much, it looks like he did something just to keep our horse in behind the other horse," Dutrow said. "He had to go way out of his way to do it. So we're not real happy about that, either."

From ESPN.com and Bloodhorse


Bull crap huh? Good call as usual.

You read to much of the Dutrow News broadcast. What I saw was KD trapping himself, and Prado race riding, as he should. KD could have moved out off the rail if he wanted to, but didn't, so now Prado tried to box him in. Again Bull crap!!!!!!!!!!!!

knickslions2 05-28-2008 02:26 PM

Prado and Casino Drive will be lucky to even see Brown down the stretch as Brown will be 15 lengths in front of him. Then down the stretch Prado will get hit in the face by dirt kicked up by Denis of Cork as Cork blows past him down the stretch. Casino Drive will be lucky to finish in the money.

jms62 05-28-2008 02:35 PM

Prado always gives his best. I love the back story, Prado - Barbaros(still undefeated in my book) jock trying to stop the undefeated BB from the Triple crown..

Linny 05-28-2008 02:53 PM

Prado rode Birdstone. 'Nuff said.

The Indomitable DrugS 05-28-2008 03:11 PM

The great Sarava as well I believe.

NoLuvForPletch 05-28-2008 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS
The great Sarava as well I believe.

most definately sarava as well

booner 05-28-2008 05:03 PM

What happened to Take coming to Belmont?

Of course, the obvious answer would be Prado's familiarity with Belmont Park; I was just wondering if something else happened.

the_fat_man 05-28-2008 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
You seem to be forgetting that Prado rode the Preakness to win, like he was supposed to. He boxed in Big brown out of the first turn and Dutrow complained about it in the press. Prado is a pro, I doubt he'll do anything but give his best out there.

At this point all Prado is capable of is his 'best' impersonation of Ariel Smith. Which, I might add, he seems to have mastered.

stonegossard 05-28-2008 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
So you are saying that there isn't anyone else out there, besides me and probably Porter, that thinks it was more than just a bad ride? 115 and 1/5 for 3/4's with Hard Spun under a Santos-like stranglehold, watching Curlin the whole way and keeping him pinned down on the rail, moving whenever he moved, while Rags was able to run in the clear the whole way.

Remember, Gomez was Rags jock and Porter wouldn't let him out of the commitment after TAP announce she was going to run.


Thinking like that is INSANE. Hard Spun was not gonna win that race on the lead. They tried to rate him....didnt work. You really think a top jock like Gomez is gonna throw a race on purpose? Do you know for a fact that Jones didnt tell Gomez to try and rate HS?

Crazy thinking.

NoLuvForPletch 05-28-2008 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonegossard
Thinking like that is INSANE. Hard Spun was not gonna win that race on the lead. They tried to rate him....didnt work. You really think a top jock like Gomez is gonna throw a race on purpose? Do you know for a fact that Jones didnt tell Gomez to try and rate HS?

Crazy thinking.

Did you just hear hear yourself? Try and RATE Hard Spun? Seriously? The only chance the horse had was if HE got loose and forced everyone to come and get him. It was his ONLY chance. If there wasn't something up then it was the all-time worst ride by a guy who is considered a current world class jockey. How odd would that be?

hockey2315 05-28-2008 06:46 PM

There's no way that Gomez blew that ride on purpose - but I disagree that rating was his best chance to win.

NoLuvForPletch 05-28-2008 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698
Again, you're forgetting that the reason they took Pino off was he was too aggressive in the Preakness. They switched to Gomez, who is a known strong finisher, but not exactly known for sending early. Didn't that sort of tell you what they were looking to do?

Yeah, he had a great deal of trouble making the lead 2 races earlier on Dream Rush.

stonegossard 05-28-2008 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch
Did you just hear hear yourself? Try and RATE Hard Spun? Seriously? The only chance the horse had was if HE got loose and forced everyone to come and get him. It was his ONLY chance. If there wasn't something up then it was the all-time worst ride by a guy who is considered a current world class jockey. How odd would that be?


Correct me if I am wrong...but didnt Hard Spun fail on the lead in The Derby going 1 1/4 ? How could he go 1 1/2 then on the lead. From what I remember they never rated him before The Belmont. Maybe..just maybe Jones knew his horse could not get the Belmont distance on the lead and wanted to try something different.

To suggest Gomez tried to lose on purpose is assinine.


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