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hoovesupsideyourhead 05-23-2008 10:34 AM

hooves belmont full card fri
 
great day late yesterday the pick 3s and 4 ended up juicy..

in the pick 6 {see byks thread} we see the same on some..

fast n good as of now

race 1 6.5 f claiming 20k

pp 2 hot wheels joe ml 8-1 forget turf try 3rd
pp 3 fast wheels ml 5/2
pp 4 bomber d back ml 5-1 2nd

race 2 6.5 f claim 60k

pp 5 glowing image ml 5/2
pp 2 yelt ml 7/2 3rd
pp 4 be bullish ml 10-1 2nd

race 3 7f all w 75k o/c

pp 3 miners lamp ml 3-1
pp 5 rush with thunder ml 15-1
pp 1 not for money ml 7/5 wins

race 4 6.5f maiden 20k start of the pick 6

pp 2 five d bag ml 8-1 wins 11.8o
pp 5 jasons prospect 2-1
pp 3 my song ml 15-1

race 5 1 mile and 1/8th turf 50k

pp 9 glamour star ml 3-1
pp 5 spinicker run ml 20-1 still running !!!
pp 7 hanging on a prayer ml 10-1
pp 10 western slang ml 8-1

race 6 1 mile turf 40 claiming

pp 8 anxiety ml 3-1 wins
pp 1 sax in the city ml 7/2 2nd ect 14.30 tri 102.00
pp 5 seeing clearly ml 12-1 3rd
pp 9 jashawat ml 5-1

race 7 1 mile and 1/4 inner turf allw 56k

pp 8 born to be ml 3-1
pp 1 burning calories ml 15-1
pp 5 backseat rythem ml 5/2 wins..7.10

race 8 7f turf

pp 1 pretty elusive ml 5-1
pp 5 dimondrella ml 10-1
pp 3 seniorita lady ml 10-1

race 9 6f claiming 35k

pp 7 jordana banana ml 6-1
pp 10 scoot on by ml 10-1
pp 11 last boat home 10-1

pick 4 as put out

pick 6 stab 2/5 w 9/5/10 w 8/5/1/9 w 8 with 1/3 with 7/10/11

hockey2315 05-23-2008 10:43 AM

Hooves - what did you like about Burning Calories? I respect the connections but I'm not sure this horse really wants 10F on turf. . .

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-23-2008 10:57 AM

pretty much just coa agent ...and lightly raced, taggs synth to turf nos good robbie off...

MISTERGEE 05-23-2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
great day late yesterday the pick 3s and 4 ended up juicy..

in the pick 6 {see byks thread} we see the same on some..

fast n good as of now

race 1 6.5 f claiming 20k

pp 2 hot wheels joe ml 8-1 forget turf try
pp 3 fast wheels ml 5/2
pp 4 bomber d back ml 5-1

race 2 6.5 f claim 60k

pp 5 glowing image ml 5/2
pp 2 yelt ml 7/2
pp 4 be bullish ml 10-1

race 3 7f all w 75k o/c

pp 3 miners lamp ml 3-1
pp 5 rush with thunder ml 15-1
pp 1 not for money ml 7/5

race 4 6.5f maiden 20k start of the pick 6

pp 2 five d bag ml 8-1
pp 5 jasons prospect 2-1
pp 3 my song ml 15-1

race 5 1 mile and 1/8th turf 50k

pp 9 glamour star ml 3-1
pp 5 spinicker run ml 20-1
pp 7 hanging on a prayer ml 10-1
pp 10 western slang ml 8-1

race 6 1 mile turf 40 claiming

pp 8 anxiety ml 3-1
pp 1 sax in the city ml 7/2
pp 5 seeing clearly ml 12-1
pp 9 jashawat ml 5-1

race 7 1 mile and 1/4 inner turf allw 56k

pp 8 born to be ml 3-1
pp 1 burning calories ml 15-1
pp 5 backseat rythem ml 5/2

race 8 7f turf

pp 1 pretty elusive ml 5-1
pp 5 dimondrella ml 10-1
pp 3 seniorita lady ml 10-1

race 9 6f claiming 35k

pp 7 jordana banana ml 6-1
pp 10 scoot on by ml 10-1
pp 11 last boat home 10-1

pick 4 as put out

pick 6 stab 2/5 w 9/5/10 w 8/5/1/9 w 8 with 1/3 with 7/10/11

did you notice being you said you see the same as Steve on some? your top pick in races 4,5,6,7,8 are not picke in steves top 4 in any of those races?

blackthroatedwind 05-23-2008 01:02 PM

I think the 3rd race is being bet incorrectly, specifically in that #2 Bribon is twice the price of #5 Rush With Thunder. Rush With Thunder has next to no chance whatsoever while Bribon has run some very good races in NY and maybe was never comfortable in Florida. Whatever the case he is clearly a better horse than Rush With Thunder. Plus, Rush With Thunder's actual dirt races are horrendous.

I'm not in love with Bribon but at 16:1 I had to bet a little to win and used under the 3 and 1.

the_fat_man 05-23-2008 01:08 PM

The 3 was awful.

Guess that last race took something out of him.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-23-2008 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MISTERGEE
did you notice being you said you see the same as Steve on some? your top pick in races 4,5,6,7,8 are not picke in steves top 4 in any of those races?

lol......he may be right......

CSC 05-23-2008 01:36 PM

Doesn't Jimmy Jump Jump look better than Jason's Prospect? And he's a better price?

geeker2 05-23-2008 02:48 PM

Hooves..nice 6th race tri!

I am along for the ride on your P4 play.....

parsixfarms 05-23-2008 02:58 PM

Late double:

4,5,7 with 3, 11

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-23-2008 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by geeker2
Hooves..nice 6th race tri!

I am along for the ride on your P4 play.....

good luck to us!!

ateamstupid 05-23-2008 03:37 PM

Not quite sure how West of Gibraltar is 3-1 while Diamondrella is 15-1. Very similar pedigrees and resumes.. Is Tagg alone worth swallowing 12 points?

the_fat_man 05-23-2008 03:42 PM

Penna takes over the training of Diamondrella. Maybe he can step her up a bit; Violette certainly couldn't. As to why she's not highly thought of, take a trip over to the replay center and watch a few of her races.

declansharbor 05-23-2008 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Not quite sure how West of Gibraltar is 3-1 while Diamondrella is 15-1. Very similar pedigrees and resumes.. Is Tagg alone worth swallowing 12 points?

I just took a shot with Diamondrella. The price was too good to pass on. Played in ex and tri with 4,7,8 as well.

ateamstupid 05-23-2008 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Penna takes over the training of Diamondrella. Maybe he can step her up a bit; Violette certainly couldn't. As to why she's not highly thought of, take a trip over to the replay center and watch a few of her races.

Watch West of Gibraltar's last race. That was impressive to you?

ateamstupid 05-23-2008 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
I just took a shot with Diamondrella. The price was too good to pass on. Played in ex and tri with 4,7,8 as well.

Ended up being a head difference between them on the track, despite 20 1/2 points difference in the wagering. Congrats on the exacta! Can't beat those Rock of Gibraltars on the grass.

the_fat_man 05-23-2008 03:52 PM

Must've been Violette all along.:rolleyes:

docicu3 05-23-2008 03:53 PM

God bless ROC!!!

declansharbor 05-23-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Ended up being a head difference between them on the track, despite 20 1/2 points difference in the wagering. Congrats on the exacta! Can't beat those Rock of Gibraltars on the grass.

Thanks... Hope you had it as well...The price was sure there.
Good thing my fiancee opted to work the extra hour tonight or we'd be sitting in traffic (my idea of hell) on the AC Expressway right now.

ateamstupid 05-23-2008 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor
Thanks... Hope you had it as well...The price was sure there.
Good thing my fiancee opted to work the extra hour tonight or we'd be sitting in traffic (my idea of hell) on the AC Expressway right now.

Nah, I'm standing pat until Monday. Good catch though.

declansharbor 05-23-2008 04:01 PM

Took some action on Cat Radio in the 'cap. WP only.

GL everybody and have a safe, fun filled weekend!!

cassie 05-23-2008 04:02 PM

steves single and hooves 5/3 ==1100 trifecta

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-23-2008 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie
steves single and hooves 5/3 ==1100 trifecta

hossy knows i had this tri..lol the rock..

cassie 05-23-2008 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead
hossy knows i had this tri..lol the rock..

me too for a dollar

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-23-2008 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie
me too for a dollar

good job

pmacdaddy 05-23-2008 04:16 PM

Got the 1,7 for a buck in pk4. Anyone see willpays?

Diamondrella would have helped the cause tremendously...

pick4 05-23-2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cassie
me too for a dollar

Nice hit. West of Gibraltar won in spite of another terrible ride by Coa.

pmacdaddy 05-23-2008 04:21 PM

Nevermind... Crap

AeWingnut 05-23-2008 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
Penna takes over the training of Diamondrella. Maybe he can step her up a bit; Violette certainly couldn't. As to why she's not highly thought of, take a trip over to the replay center and watch a few of her races.

I have to ask... what did you make of the trip the top two finishers had. #5 Diamondrella seemed to be checking often. #4 West of Gibraltar was having traffic trouble as well.

the_fat_man 05-23-2008 04:45 PM

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I have to ask... what did you make of the trip the top two finishers had. #5 Diamondrella seemed to be checking often. #4 West of Gibraltar was having traffic trouble as well.

REALLY? I thought Diamondrella had a PERFECT TRIP. I also thought that the 4 made a HUGE RUN to catch her. But both had nice setups as they were among the top 4 early. The race held very, very well considering the pace/moves in it.

But I really think that you might want to fire up the replay of the headon and see what happened to the 9, Cato Major at the gate. See if she had 4 lengths worth of trouble, which is essentially what she lost by.

Check out the chart.

hockey2315 05-23-2008 04:57 PM

I don't know about Diamondrella having a perfect trip. . . Maragh got her bottled up and had to check early on in the race. . . I DO know, however, that that photo costed me a significant amount of $. . .

AeWingnut 05-23-2008 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
REALLY? I thought Diamondrella had a PERFECT TRIP. I also thought that the 4 made a HUGE RUN to catch her. But both had nice setups as they were among the top 4 early. The race held very, very well considering the pace/moves in it.

But I really think that you might want to fire up the replay of the headon and see what happened to the 9, Cato Major at the gate. See if she had 4 lengths worth of trouble, which is essentially what she lost by.

Check out the chart.


watching live I noticed that the 5 Diamondrella (my big flat bet was on) was either forced to wait (jockey) or had to wait (traffic) to roll. There was someone causing her to stutter step a bit. The 4 was up then back then came again

I will have to watch the race replay after I get through my betting

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-23-2008 05:45 PM

the 1 had a bad trip

the_fat_man 05-23-2008 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut
watching live I noticed that the 5 Diamondrella (my big flat bet was on) was either forced to wait (jockey) or had to wait (traffic) to roll. There was someone causing her to stutter step a bit. The 4 was up then back then came again

I will have to watch the race replay after I get through my betting


It seems that quite a few people had their money down on this horse today, so I don't want to step on any toes here, as, I can identify with tough beats. And, I was reacting to getting hammered at the gate and losing all chance.

Diamondrella and West of Gibraltar are sucking along inside, going with the flow. They both have to steady/check behind/between, with Diamondrella getting the worst of it visually but WoG in terms of ground loss. However, taking back when they did was a good thing, as they didn't continue on directly with the pace. Look at the chart: anything running forwardly (gaining) between the first 2 splits went BACKWARDS at the end. So, if Diamondrella doesn't steady, she essentially makes the same run as Sophie's Salad (the same goes for WoG). If this were to happen, the race collapses and something from the rear wins. If they had 'trouble', it was fortuitous. Especially for WoG, as she took back more than Diamondrella and had enough to get her late.

My last word on the subject.

hockey2315 05-23-2008 06:39 PM

I'm sure you're a better trip watcher/capper than me so I guess I'll take your word for it. . . Still a terrible beat. . .

pick4 05-23-2008 07:02 PM

I take my earlier statement back about Coa's ride aboard. The tiring Hunsley Bunsley caused Coa and West of Gibraltar problems. As they turned for home, Coa had a split second to make a decision and he could off ducked inside or stayed where he was and waited for a seam to open. He made the right choice, a seam opened up and he had enough horse to get up for the win.

blackthroatedwind 05-23-2008 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by the_fat_man
It seems that quite a few people had their money down on this horse today, so I don't want to step on any toes here, as, I can identify with tough beats. And, I was reacting to getting hammered at the gate and losing all chance.

Diamondrella and West of Gibraltar are sucking along inside, going with the flow. They both have to steady/check behind/between, with Diamondrella getting the worst of it visually but WoG in terms of ground loss. However, taking back when they did was a good thing, as they didn't continue on directly with the pace. Look at the chart: anything running forwardly (gaining) between the first 2 splits went BACKWARDS at the end. So, if Diamondrella doesn't steady, she essentially makes the same run as Sophie's Salad (the same goes for WoG). If this were to happen, the race collapses and something from the rear wins. If they had 'trouble', it was fortuitous. Especially for WoG, as she took back more than Diamondrella and had enough to get her late.

My last word on the subject.


I would have agreed with all this from the start. Diamondrella checked briefly so as to not get engaged early, and she along with the winner had very good trips.

It was a lousy beat because she was 23-1 and lost by a head. If she was 3:1 it would have been one of those " how did she lose? " beats.


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