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pick4 05-21-2008 09:53 PM

Met Mile (Divine Park 109)
 
The Met Mile is only five days away and there is little talk about this great race. Divine Park blew out the Westchester field on Belmont's opening day. The Met Mile makes sense for this colt but is he going to run? The Carter winner Bustin Stones decided to give him a long break so he's out. Executive Fleet who finished 2nd in the Carter might run. Commentator has been pointed to this race. Monterey Jazz is another one who is pointing to this race.

Does anyone know more info about horses who might run in the Met Mile?

NTamm1215 05-21-2008 09:55 PM

Here's who I've heard:

Monterey Jazz
Commentator
Divine Park
Premium Wine
Lord Snowdon

There were only 16 nominations.

NT

tiggerv 05-21-2008 09:56 PM

Nominations

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbH...0080526-476624

pick4 05-21-2008 10:26 PM

Monterey Jazz only knows one way to run and that is go to the front and run very fast. Can he wire the Met Mile while battling Commentator?
Devine Park could once again work out a perfect trip and might be enough horse to get the job done. The ? is how does he react off of that sensational race he ran on April 30th?

the_fat_man 05-21-2008 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pick4
Devine Park could once again work out a perfect trip and might be enough horse to get the job done. The ? is how does he react off of that sensational race he ran on April 30th?

Which is it: a perfect trip or a sensational race? Got a clue?

ateamstupid 05-21-2008 11:31 PM

Where did you read that Bustin Stones was out? I agree though, it's a great race and I'm at Belmont for it every year.

Cannon Shell 05-21-2008 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Where did you read that Bustin Stones was out? I agree though, it's a great race and I'm at Belmont for it every year.

I dont think bustin Stones will run again till Saratoga. I read it in the form last week i believe.

pick4 05-21-2008 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
I dont think bustin Stones will run again till Saratoga. I read it in the form last week i believe.

I read that Levine wants to point him to the BC and wants to give him a rest. Bustin Stones is a lightly raced horse and while he showed speed, he never ran eye to eye with a legit Grade 1 sprinter. Taking a break at this point sounds a bit fishy.

SniperSB23 05-22-2008 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pick4
I read that Levine wants to point him to the BC and wants to give him a rest. Bustin Stones is a lightly raced horse and while he showed speed, he never ran eye to eye with a legit Grade 1 sprinter. Taking a break at this point sounds a bit fishy.

He spiked a fever which meant missing the Met Mile and they were considering the True North but then realized this was 2008 and no trainer would possibly want to have their horse come into the BC after a grueling year long campaign :rolleyes: so they were going to give him a break until Saratoga to have him fresh for the BC.

hockey2315 05-22-2008 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NTamm1215
Here's who I've heard:

Monterey Jazz
Commentator
Divine Park
Premium Wine
Lord Snowdon

There were only 16 nominations.

If it ends up being a five horse field I'll puke . . . one of my favorite races. . .

my miss storm cat 05-22-2008 01:43 PM

Monterey Jazz is out...

http://www.drf.com/news/article/94778.html

hockey2315 05-22-2008 01:45 PM

Great. . . ugh. . . can't we get a full field for once please?

DogsUp 05-22-2008 02:15 PM

How many years has Commentator competed in this race? And what is the record for the most starts in the Met Mile? Commentator has to be close to that record.

cakes44 05-22-2008 02:16 PM

Has Commentator ever been entered once in the Met Mile? Not that I can remember?

DogsUp 05-22-2008 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by cakes44
Has Commentator ever been entered once in the Met Mile? Not that I can remember?

Whoa, I am way off if he has never competed in the race. Oh well..wish him luck this year. A very fine horse and a nice little story.

Travis Stone 05-22-2008 02:34 PM

Monterey Jazz is out...

ateamstupid 05-22-2008 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DogsUp
How many years has Commentator competed in this race? And what is the record for the most starts in the Met Mile? Commentator has to be close to that record.

If the record is zero, then yes, Commentator is on the verge of shattering it.

Personally, I'm bummed that Monterey Jazz scratched, because the last thing I want to see is Commentator be afforded an easy lead and win in 1:33, then we have to hear about how awesome he is for another four months.

SniperSB23 05-22-2008 02:38 PM

I bet people are wishing they nominated some rabbits now. I guess the only question now is over/under 120 Beyer for Commentator. Should get his dream trip where he'll throw up another freakish performance.

DogsUp 05-22-2008 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid
If the record is zero, then yes, Commentator is on the verge of shattering it.

Personally, I'm bummed that Monterey Jazz scratched, because the last thing I want to see is Commentator be afforded an easy lead and win in 1:33, then we have to hear about how awesome he is for another four months.

I hope he breaks it :)

ateamstupid 05-22-2008 02:58 PM

It's a shame that Commentator is probably going to get loose, because First Defence and Divine Park are just as good, if not better than him.

slotdirt 05-22-2008 03:02 PM

Speaking of Commentator, has there been a pg1985 sighting since his Cowboy Cal-Court Vision exacta came up like 13th and 18th on Derby day?

pick4 05-22-2008 05:38 PM

I don't recall Commentator ever running in the Met Mile. Nick Zito trained Sun King ran in the 2006 and 2007 editions.

blackthroatedwind 05-22-2008 05:57 PM

That's because he has never run in the Met.

blackthroatedwind 05-22-2008 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It's a shame that Commentator is probably going to get loose, because First Defence and Divine Park are just as good, if not better than him.


Based on what?

First Defence got slaughtered in the Vosburgh and Divine Park has run exactly one decent race in his life. Nobody is saying Commentator doesn't have his limitations, but he has a resume which includes a handful of races that are significantly better than any race these horses have run.......but apparently they are " just as good. "

Both are 4YOs, who could improve, and Commentator is a 7YO with a lifetime of injuries. However, like or not, he's done it....and they haven't.

ateamstupid 05-22-2008 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Based on what?

Based on my opinion. I think Commentator is only capable of a big race under perfect circumstances, while the other two can adapt and still run fast races. That makes them better to me. I like judging horses based on things other than speed figures.

pick4 05-22-2008 06:21 PM

It would be nice to see native New Yorker Nick Zito win the Met Mile with a Tracy Farmer owned horse. The 2006 Met Mile was a heartbreaking loss when Silver Train held off the closing Sun King.

blackthroatedwind 05-22-2008 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Based on my opinion. I think Commentator is only capable of a big race under perfect circumstances, while the other two can adapt and still run fast races. That makes them better to me. I like judging horses based on things other than speed figures.

I'm sorry you hate Commentator. It must make it hard for you to get through the day.

I bet Bobby Frankel ( ya know....he trains First Defence...when Dixie is unavailable ) and Kiaran McKlaughlin would laugh at your assertions. The fact is that Commentator has run many races better than either of the supposed better horses you unobjectively called better. Divine Park had a dream trip in his one good race. The rest of his races are somewhere between marginal and horrible. First Defence, so far, has disappointed in any real test he has had, save perhaps the King's Bishop. Comparing them to Commentator is beyond laughable.

When you get the pps for the Met Mile I suggest you take a good look at them. Have a self relflective moment.....and see just how ridiculous your statement was.

blackthroatedwind 05-22-2008 06:24 PM

Furthermore.......if all three horses were to get their preferred set ups.....who do you think would win?

ateamstupid 05-22-2008 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
I'm sorry you hate Commentator. It must make it hard for you to get through the day.

I bet Bobby Frankel ( ya know....he trains First Defence...when Dixie is unavailable ) and Kiaran McKlaughlin would laugh at your assertions. The fact is that Commentator has run many races better than either of the supposed better horses you unobjectively called better. Divine Park had a dream trip in his one good race. The rest of his races are somewhere between marginal and horrible. First Defence, so far, has disappointed in any real test he has had, save perhaps the King's Bishop. Comparing them to Commentator is beyond laughable.

When you get the pps for the Met Mile I suggest you take a good look at them. Have a self relflective moment.....and see just how ridiculous your statement was.

Take a breath Andy, it's a freaking opinion. Obviously I don't think either of them will beat Commentator if he's loose on the lead, and when he gets his own way, great, he runs fast times, but it's lame to say that he's better because he's got a bunch of big speed figures under perfect circumstances. I think consistent, if slightly slower horses are better than faster horses that need about seven horizontal lines in their past performances.

You make early judgments all the time.. "Harlem Rocker.. This is a very serious three-year-old".. You don't know that ****, but it's your opinion, and I'm not gonna step in and say "No, he isn't."

blackthroatedwind 05-22-2008 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
Take a breath Andy, it's a freaking opinion. Obviously I don't think either of them will beat Commentator if he's loose on the lead, and when he gets his own way, great, he runs fast times, but it's lame to say that he's better because he's got a bunch of big speed figures under perfect circumstances. I think consistent, if slightly slower horses are better than faster horses that need about seven horizontal lines in their past performances.

You make early judgments all the time.. "Harlem Rocker.. This is a very serious three-year-old".. You don't know that ****, but it's your opinion, and I'm not gonna step in and say "No, he isn't."


Like it or not, Joey, I have a record to back up my opinions. You don't.

ateamstupid 05-22-2008 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Like it or not, Joey, I have a record to back up my opinions. You don't.

So I guess I'm not allowed to have them? Didn't realize that's how this worked.

Payson Dave 05-22-2008 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Like it or not, Joey, I have a record to back up my opinions. You don't.


so there joey.....jeez just whose sandbox do you think this??? ....j/k j/k

bytheway commentator has been looking like a fit and happy horse in the mornings

Cajungator26 05-22-2008 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Payson Dave
so there joey.....jeez just whose sandbox do you think this??? ....j/k j/k

bytheway commentator has been looking like a fit and happy horse in the mornings

:D

Rubbin' a little salt in the wounds there, eh Dave?

blackthroatedwind 05-22-2008 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
So I guess I'm not allowed to have them? Didn't realize that's how this worked.


You playing the victim? Do the boys in Brooklyn know about this?

Your " opinion " in this case is indefensible. Take a look at the relative pps, and as hard as it is try to forget how much you hate Commentator, and tell me seriously on Monday ( you're coming out....right? ) that you think they have form to back up that they are better horses.

Divine Park, if he continues to run like he did last time, might be ( at least now ). Who knows, First Defence, under Dixie's excellent tutelage, could impove. But, so far, Commentator has walked the walk....and they haven't.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-22-2008 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You playing the victim? Do the boys in Brooklyn know about this?

Your " opinion " in this case is indefensible. Take a look at the relative pps, and as hard as it is try to forget how much you hate Commentator, and tell me seriously on Monday ( you're coming out....right? ) that you think they have form to back up that they are better horses.

Divine Park, if he continues to run like he did last time, might be ( at least now ). Who knows, First Defence, under Dixie's excellent tutelage, could impove. But, so far, Commentator has walked the walk....and they haven't.

dont they have 3 more years to walk..im a commentator fan and hope he runs well..and hope that we get a good race..

the_fat_man 05-22-2008 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Divine Park had a dream trip in his one good race.

This can't be used against him. I mean, Grasshopper, for example, had a comparable trip. The horse 'wipes them out' with an accelerating last quarter and you're putting the perfect trip tag on him?

ateamstupid 05-22-2008 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You playing the victim? Do the boys in Brooklyn know about this?

Your " opinion " in this case is indefensible. Take a look at the relative pps, and as hard as it is try to forget how much you hate Commentator, and tell me seriously on Monday ( you're coming out....right? ) that you think they have form to back up that they are better horses.

Divine Park, if he continues to run like he did last time, might be ( at least now ). Who knows, First Defence, under Dixie's excellent tutelage, could impove. But, so far, Commentator has walked the walk....and they haven't.

It all depends on your definiton of "better", but I'm too exhausted to go down that road with you again. If your only criteria for judging performance is speed figures, then of course Commentator is better.

And I'm well-acquainted with his PP's, so a look at the Met Mile PP's won't tell me anything other than that he's going to run another 115-120 figure when allowed everything his own way. **** is boring to me, really. Maybe it gives Andy Beyer an erection, but not me.

I still think Divine Park and First Defence are as good as him, if not better. Sorry.

And yeah, I'll be out there on Monday with my old man. Hope to see ya.

blackthroatedwind 05-22-2008 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ateamstupid
It all depends on your definiton of "better", but I'm too exhausted to go down that road with you again. If your only criteria for judging performance is speed figures, then of course Commentator is better.

And I'm well-acquainted with his PP's, so a look at the Met Mile PP's won't tell me anything other than that he's going to run another 115-120 figure when allowed everything his own way. **** is boring to me, really. Maybe it gives Andy Beyer an erection, but not me.

I still think Divine Park and First Defence are as good as him, if not better. Sorry.

Yeah, silly me, I only look at speed figures.

You, on the other hand, might want to take accomplishments into account. First Defence has none.

As for being sorry......it's an interesting choice of words.

XIIPointStables 05-22-2008 07:13 PM

I've always been a fan of First Defence. Ran his guts out against Hard Spun at Saratoga. Got a good set up; never able to get all the way by and HS won it. Great throwdown in the stretch between those two.

I'm excited to see how he runs at a mile.

If Commentator is allowed to wheel it on the front, as much as I like First Defence, he's running for second. We'll see if anyone goes with Commentator early.

hoovesupsideyourhead 05-22-2008 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Yeah, silly me, I only look at speed figures.

You, on the other hand, might want to take accomplishments into account. First Defence has none.

As for being sorry......it's an interesting choice of words.

you know who i am .."slap" im andy surling biz-nitch!!!:eek: :cool:

j/k x100


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