Multiple Gr1 winner ? - Giacomo HOY ??
 

Multi millionaire and (multiple Grade 1 winner ?, possibly,) GIACOMO pictured winning the San Diego handicap at 8.5f.
second last on the far turn, the Kentucky Derby winner 2005 powers past 5 rivals and runs on down the stretch for a victory at the wire. On to the Pacific classic, which will feature horses with accumulated on track earnings of more than $10,000,000. LAVA MAN, PERFECT DRIFT, GIACOMOand others. with a victory in the pacific classic over lava man and a win in the BCC in november under the stars,
we could see the Kentucky Derby champion crowned HOY 2006.

He is not a multiple grade one winner and this is your 5th HOY so far this year. It was a nice race, but this is a little over the top don't you think?

Only one Grade 1 for old Giacomo.

there are question marks there, he may be if he wins the pacific classic.

Ha-Ha...
I'm not criticizing the post, I just think it's funny that it's about the 4th time you've started a new topic about a horse being HOY. Giacomo beats a small field of maybe G3 calibur horses for his first win in over 14 months, and you're thinking HOY?
Come on. I'm all for letting Giacomo and his fans/connections enjoy the win, but lets not get carried away.

RUTRO....Block and Mike....

Man...where is Michael Buffer when you need him??

"Lets get ready to Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuumble":eek:

He'll have to defeat Mayan King first.

Yeah ... I can see it all now ... a showdown in the BC Classic ... Mayan King and Giacomo ... America's most exciting rivalry since Sunday Silence and Easy Goer, Affirmed and Alydar, Damascus and Dr. Fager, Domino and Henry Of Navarre ...

... what a thrill !!!

Oooops ... I forgot ... Giacomo can't win G1 races any more.

Never mind.

Here is the match race...Giacomo and Lost In The Fog going at it in a one-turn mile. Too far for Fog, too short for Giacomo and a race between horses that are not G1 caliber anymore. Who do you like?

the giacomo bashere, those who lost money on him over the weekend, are out in force.

this is a very good horse. his losses in the preakness and his injury in the belmont undermine what a stellar 3 year old campign he waged.competitive with by the best of the crop out west, at that time the Undefeated declans moon, the BCJ champ
wilko, buzzards bay...

right now he is the fastest horse remaining of that year with perhaps the exception of bandini to 9f. all flower alley is gonna see of this grey horse in november is his big grey butt as he runs by him at the 16th pole.

Who the heck is this Mayan King you keep talking about? What has he won?

And as soon as Flower Alley runs next time, you'll post him as this year's HOY. Please don't take any offense, but that seems to me your M.O.

You may want to check out Bandini's stellar effort when he couldn't go 24 for the opening quarter on an uncontested lead, I hope you don't think that's fast...

Did Mayan King race in the Spiral Stakes?

I believe I witnessed his greatness in person...

Giacomo has never once ran a fast race. He is a nice horse that got a little lucky, although you can't take his derby win from him. He will always be a derby winner and many greats can't say that.

Look for a thoroughbred fireworks display at Saratoga on Sunday, August 13 ...

... then follow the sparks all the way to the BC Classic.

One and the same.

How lucky you were!

As a 3YO? Good luck if you have connections to him.

I picture midget wrestling.

if giacomo wins his next three races, that would be defeating lava man and PD in the PC, and that overrated flower alley in the BCC, then the award would be between Giacomo and Invasor.
and since Gi won the KD, by sentiment he would be HOY.

sorry if that disturbs you..

Block, you are one crazy dude. Thats all Im gonna say.

Flower Alley is not overrated. What about Bernardini? Barbaro would also get it before Giacomo (a grade 2 horse at best).

Honestly, I don't think Block was claiming that Giacomo WOULD or SHOULD be HOY if he wins the PC and BCC. Just stating that IF he wins those races, it could be a possibility...

But I think that IF (and that is a big IF) LM; PD; Bernardini, FA all fumble, and if Giacomo wins those races, Boldruler is right, HOY goes to Barbaro if not for what he did on the track for sentimental reasons.

your post is factually inaccurate, he is in fact already a grade 1 winner, at best.

He isn't a 3yr old anymore. There are no fluky races where a mediocre horse can win a grade 1. He is now just a grade 2 horse at best. By your reasoning then Funny Cide is still a grade 1 horse, which he is not.

Buffy, but the same could be said for most ANY horse. Anyone who wins 2/3 Grade 1s including the BC Classic could win HOY. Giacomo is going to have trouble winning again this year for two reasons. 1. Not all races are going to set up for him like the Derby and SD Cap did. 2. In future races he'll be chasing down better horses than the tiring Grade 3 runner Preachinatthebar.

buff, he wins his next three he will hjave defeated all the contenders and should be HOY. if he wins the PC, which is a good posibility, and then he goes east and wins say the Jcgcup, he will have prolly defeated flower alley there and invasor, maybe commentator. then he would race the BCC and if he wins that he would have defeated everyone of consequence.

Barbaro might get 3 yo hoy. he's a lock.

what the hell are you tsalking bout set up for him..

he trailed the filed and then ran by them in the final 440 yards. i suppose you think the derby set up fopr him too.

i mean its not like he weaved through 15 horses or anything in kentucky, it just set up for him., oh okay..

you can't comparea 7 yo gelding to a 4 yearold back from injury. well isuppose you could but most witht hte ability to reason wouldn't.

I wasn't saying that it was my thoughts on things, just that IF Giacomo does win those races that he would be in the running. Honestly, I don't see him winning again any time soon so it really isn't something to worry about.

what you talkin bout willis...


Buffy .....


dam .....


he will win in the PC 8-20

who will defaet the KD winner, the claimer lava boy ??

No you can't. Funny Cide is occasionly a fast horse who right now could probably still beat Giacomo. Giacomo never has been and never will be a fast horse. Beating preachinatthebar isn't exactly something to write home about.

UMMMM HELLO WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN? UHHHH... DRIFTY WILL KICK HIS BUTT!

Funny Cide is 6 and you have to compare the two. Thye don't write many races for four year olds only..

that is factually inaccurate also, he is and has alwyas been one of the fastest in his class. even his time yesterday was 12 seconds a furlong till the end of the race.

He has never once ran a fast race. He is a mediocre 95-100 beyer type horse. The top guys are all in the 105-115+ range.

Block, your talking out of your ass now. OF COURSE the Derby set up for him. Lets look at the race, the pace - 22.28, 45.38, 1:09.59 - cooked Bellamy Road, Flower Alley, Spanish Chestnut, High Limit, and High Fly. Of the closers, Dont Get Mad was coming off a week layoff, Wilko is a bum, Andromedas Hero needs 12f to place, and the others stunk. Afleet Alex had a troubled trip, and Giacomo had clear sailing on the wire to nip 'em. Come on, you know this - the race set up PERFECT for him. So did the San Diego Cap. Preachinatthebar - a Grade III horse at best - goes 22.81, 46.01 - and Giacomo is all out late to get by him. I think the Derby winner is a nice horse, but to even mention HOY with him right now is absurd all things considered. Lets see how Giacomo does if Lava Man gets loose in the Pacific Classic and runs the half in 47 3/5. Giacomo wont be near him at the finsih...

i don't think a 20 horses field sets up for anyone.

lets wait till the 20th.
you didn't like giacomos chances going into saturdays race.
he is back from surgery and as good as he was, i can't wait till the 20th. maybe the claimer will win, maybe he won't. but giacomo is ITM more than he is not and to leave him out of the picture, as a slow horse, is inaccurate.

As good as he was....meaning not particularly good at all, sadly.

whoever said giacomo doesn't need a race to set up perfectly for his running style doesn't know what they're talking about. he makes one sustained run, and has to have the right pace to close into. it's why he hasn't won much, but does often hit the board. he isn't a bad horse, he just has to have things his way--as do a lot of horses. but horses with his style of running more often than not aren't the first at the wire.
all his connections can do is enter and hope for the best. maybe he gets a good trip and the right pace. it's all any owner of any horse with a certain style can hope for, whether they're a speedster or a closer, or somewhere in between.

i thought i saw a horse changing lanes, weaving in and out, i guess thats a perfect set up then. 15 horses in front on you across 6 lanes, all slower than you.

ya thats the perfect set up.

he needs room to get his srtide flowing, like on saturday he was taken into the 5 or 6 path by Smith on the turn, then he
began to really gallop out strong and pick horses off.
he is a closer, true, but not a one dimesional closer. ,meaning he can close, and win, at different distances. some can only close and catch the filed after 10f (borrego, dynever, PP)
some, like this one, can close into different distances.
to say he needs to be able to run dwon the stretch unimpeded by
traffic is pretty much true of any horse running down the lane.
whoever said Giacomo needs a race to set up perfectly for him
doesn't know what HIm or her is talking about.