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Split Rock 05-20-2008 02:47 AM

1987 Awesome year of horse racing
 
There has been a lot of talk about the weak crop of 3 year olds this year and possibly the lack of interest in the older ranks other than Curlin. In my opinion, 1987 might rank as the very best year in the last 30 years.

1987 two year olds:
Forty Niner, Winning Colors, Seeking the Gold, Tejano, etc

1987 three year olds:
Alysheba, Bet Twice, Lost Code, Cryptoclearance, Broad Brush, Gulch, Java Gold, Gone West

1987 older runners:
Ferninand, Judge Angeluci, Skywalker, Groovy, Zany Tactics, Very Subtle, Snow Chief

1987 turfers:
Theatrical, Miesque, Trempolino

I'm sure I missed some great runners that were racing in 1987 but this is what I could remember. This year was so good and so stocked with great horses. The year was capped off by the best Breeder's Cup Classic ever (two Derby winners hitting the wire together, Ferninand over Alysheba).

Anyone else have a year that really stands out to them? Does '87 qualify for the best year in recent memory or am I just looking back favorably on the past?

fpsoxfan 05-20-2008 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock
There has been a lot of talk about the weak crop of 3 year olds this year and possibly the lack of interest in the older ranks other than Curlin. In my opinion, 1987 might rank as the very best year in the last 30 years.

1987 two year olds:
Forty Niner, Winning Colors, Seeking the Gold, Tejano, etc

1987 three year olds:
Alysheba, Bet Twice, Lost Code, Cryptoclearance, Broad Brush, Gulch, Java Gold, Gone West

1987 older runners:
Ferninand, Judge Angeluci, Skywalker, Groovy, Zany Tactics, Very Subtle, Snow Chief

1987 turfers:
Theatrical, Miesque, Trempolino

I'm sure I missed some great runners that were racing in 1987 but this is what I could remember. This year was so good and so stocked with great horses. The year was capped off by the best Breeder's Cup Classic ever (two Derby winners hitting the wire together, Ferninand over Alysheba).

Anyone else have a year that really stands out to them? Does '87 qualify for the best year in recent memory or am I just looking back favorably on the past?

I graduated from High School. Does that count as something good in 1987?

Hickory Hill Hoff 05-20-2008 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by fpsoxfan
I graduated from High School. Does that count as something good in 1987?

If you lived in Fort Plain :D did I miss much with the "big" street fair last weekend?

Port Conway Lane 05-20-2008 07:37 AM

I'm pretty sure Broad Brush was a 4 yo in '87

CSC 05-20-2008 08:58 AM

I'm partial to 96 and 98

miraja2 05-20-2008 09:05 AM

Cutlass Reality was a pretty good older horse running in 1987, but I think his big year came in 1988.
Temperate Sil was another decent 3yo from that year too.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 09:13 AM

3yos - Afleet and Polish Navy

Cannon Shell 05-20-2008 09:14 AM

hey we got big Brown and Curlin now......

King Glorious 05-20-2008 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Split Rock
There has been a lot of talk about the weak crop of 3 year olds this year and possibly the lack of interest in the older ranks other than Curlin. In my opinion, 1987 might rank as the very best year in the last 30 years.

1987 two year olds:
Forty Niner, Winning Colors, Seeking the Gold, Tejano, etc

1987 three year olds:
Alysheba, Bet Twice, Lost Code, Cryptoclearance, Broad Brush, Gulch, Java Gold, Gone West

1987 older runners:
Ferninand, Judge Angeluci, Skywalker, Groovy, Zany Tactics, Very Subtle, Snow Chief

1987 turfers:
Theatrical, Miesque, Trempolino

I'm sure I missed some great runners that were racing in 1987 but this is what I could remember. This year was so good and so stocked with great horses. The year was capped off by the best Breeder's Cup Classic ever (two Derby winners hitting the wire together, Ferninand over Alysheba).

Anyone else have a year that really stands out to them? Does '87 qualify for the best year in recent memory or am I just looking back favorably on the past?

This was my favorite year of racing. There was also a lightly raced 3yo filly that returned from injury that year named Personal Ensign. Sacahuista was another pretty good 3yo filly.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 10:33 AM

And don't leave out Manila and his electrifying destruction of Theatrical in the 1987 Arlington Million. Then take a look at the amazing year Theatrical compiled to put it into perspective.

parsixfarms 05-20-2008 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
And don't leave out Manila and his electrifying destruction of Theatrical in the 1987 Arlington Million. Then take a look at the amazing year Theatrical compiled to put it into perspective.

His election to the HOF this year was long overdue. I'd argue that he was the top American grass horse of the past 20 years.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
His election to the HOF this year was long overdue. I'd argue that he was the top American grass horse of the past 20 years.


No argument from me. He was a wonderful horse.

Did you know he broke his maiden in an off the turf race at Hialeah?

hockey2315 05-20-2008 10:59 AM

Brian's Time? He might've been a year later. . .

parsixfarms 05-20-2008 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Split Rock
1987 two year olds:
Forty Niner, Winning Colors, Seeking the Gold, Tejano, etc

This would be my primary quibble with the list. While Forty Niner was the champion 2YO that year, neither Seeking the Gold nor Winning Colors made an impact during their 2YO seasons (only breaking their respective maidens). The Breeders Cup races that year were won by relatively less-distinguished Epitome and Success Express.

parsixfarms 05-20-2008 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Did you know he broke his maiden in an off the turf race at Hialeah?

I didn't know that. After touting him so much, my one lasting in-person memory of Manila's career was him getting beat by Talakeno in a 4-horse Bernard Baruch Handicap that year.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
This would be my primary quibble with the list. While Forty Niner was the champion 2YO that year, neither Seeking the Gold nor Winning Colors made an impact during their 2YO seasons (only breaking their respective maidens). The Breeders Cup races that year were won by relatively less-distinguished Epitome and Success Express.


Seeking the Gold didn't even race in 1987. He broke his maiden in the last race at Hialeah in January....filling out the late double with Personal Flag when that Phipps runner won a three horse photo in the Widener.

For what it's worth, I believe Seeking the Gold won by 18 1/2 lengths.

His half brother, Stacked Pack, was a pretty nice below the radar 3YO in 1987.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
I didn't know that. After touting him so much, my one lasting in-person memory of Manila's career was him getting beat by Talakeno in a 4-horse Bernard Baruch Handicap that year.


I remember making one late double with Manila and a Mott firster in the last race. It was going to pay $29. I was disgusted after Manila lost to Talakeno ( and Cordero ) and didn't play the last race.

The Mott horse won and paid $31!

parsixfarms 05-20-2008 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Seeking the Gold didn't even race in 1987. He broke his maiden in the last race at Hialeah in January....filling out the late double with Personal Flag when that Phipps runner won a three horse photo in the Widener.

Just pulled his PPs. Seeking the Gold broke his maiden at Hialeah on December 26, 1987 (race 11). He won by 11 lengths, getting 6F in 1:09.4, not a bad debut!!

I'll never forget his effort in the 1988 Travers. Beaten a nose despite Pat Day putting up one of the silliest rides ever.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Just pulled his PPs. Seeking the Gold broke his maiden at Hialeah on December 26, 1987 (race 11). He won by 11 lengths, getting 6F in 1:09.4, not a bad debut!!

I'll never forget his effort in the 1988 Travers. Beaten a nose despite Pat Day putting up one of the silliest rides ever.


Good call. I didn't realize Hialeah opened before the New Year. Thanks. I do know that I hit that late double.

Seeking the Gold was a terrific horse. He came damn close to beating Alysheba in the Classic. Looked for a second like he was going to go right by him.

philcski 05-20-2008 11:53 AM

How good was that Haskell ('88 of course)... I was but a youngin' at that point but I remember it well. Mr. Prospector's two best both hit the wire at the same time.

King Glorious 05-20-2008 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms
Just pulled his PPs. Seeking the Gold broke his maiden at Hialeah on December 26, 1987 (race 11). He won by 11 lengths, getting 6F in 1:09.4, not a bad debut!!

I'll never forget his effort in the 1988 Travers. Beaten a nose despite Pat Day putting up one of the silliest rides ever.

I was at Hialeah that day. I remember being upset cause I couldn't be at Santa Anita but I wasn't upset anymore after seeing that performance. He was an underrated horse but put up some big races. In addition to that Travers was the narrow Haskell loss to that same Forty Niner. In fact, both of them are underrated horses. He had a great run in the Classic also but I felt that Alysheba was never in danger, pretty much the same way I felt Sunday Silence was never in danger the next year. McCarron was a master.

Broadway 05-20-2008 01:25 PM

How about 1967? Or '68???
 
I'd like to suggest 1967 as a pretty darn good year.

4 yr olds: Buckpasser, Moccasin and Assagai.
3 yr olds: Dr. Fager, Damascus, Proud Clarion, Gamely, Fort Marcy and Cool Reception
2 yr olds: Forward Pass, Dancer's Image, Dark Mirage, Exclusive Native, Sir Ivor and Vaguely Noble.

Of course, 1968 saw the introduction of Shuvee, Arts & Letters, Reviewer, Majestic Prince, Ta Wee, Ack Ack and Gallant Bloom. Another great year.

Split Rock 05-20-2008 03:27 PM

Great replys from everyone. Thank you.

Agreed that Seeking the Gold and Winning Colors were non issues in '87 and in fact, the 2 year old crop of racers that year were so-so, other than Forty Niner. Also, Manila absolutely belonged on that list as well as Cutlas Reality and Afleet.

1967 looked good, too, but it was way before my time so I have no reference point.

The thing that was so cool about racing in '87 through '90 was how often the accomplished horses kept running. To think we had Easy Goer and Sunday Silence racing in 1990 and geared up for a head to head matchup at Arlington before they were injured is amazing. This whole retire before they lose or get injured is killing racing. Just killing it. The best horses rarely keep running (Curlin is an exception).

It's so odd to think that horses are bred to run and as soon as they run a good race or two, they are immediately sent to breed others that can run a handful of times. How many stallions does this country really need?

King Glorious 05-20-2008 03:52 PM

Crusader Sword was my early 2yo favorite that year. I was a huge fan of Mack Miller and Paul Mellon's Rokeby Stables. Speaking of which, does anyone remember what happened with two of their really good prospects, Red Ransom and Eastern Echo? I really liked both of them. Also, Shug McGaughey had a nice young filly back in 1991 named Grand Gala. Anyone remember her or what happened to her?

slotdirt 05-20-2008 03:59 PM

Red Ransom:

http://www.bloodhorse.com/stallion-r...n=singlesearch

Cannon Shell 05-20-2008 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Crusader Sword was my early 2yo favorite that year. I was a huge fan of Mack Miller and Paul Mellon's Rokeby Stables. Speaking of which, does anyone remember what happened with two of their really good prospects, Red Ransom and Eastern Echo? I really liked both of them. Also, Shug McGaughey had a nice young filly back in 1991 named Grand Gala. Anyone remember her or what happened to her?

Are you kidding?

King Glorious 05-20-2008 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Are you kidding?

Not that I know of.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Are you kidding?

I just let it go.

King Glorious 05-20-2008 05:29 PM

Wow. Excuse me for asking.

freddymo 05-20-2008 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
Are you kidding?


Let it go it's the internet..Don't you love it?

Danzig 05-20-2008 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Crusader Sword was my early 2yo favorite that year. I was a huge fan of Mack Miller and Paul Mellon's Rokeby Stables. Speaking of which, does anyone remember what happened with two of their really good prospects, Red Ransom and Eastern Echo? I really liked both of them. Also, Shug McGaughey had a nice young filly back in 1991 named Grand Gala. Anyone remember her or what happened to her?

you must not follow breeding much...red ransom turned into a heck of a sire. eastern echo (one i liked) did ok, but then died at 16 of a heart attack. buddy gil and swiss yodeler are probably his best known progeny.

Cannon Shell 05-20-2008 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Wow. Excuse me for asking.

He sired a freakin Dubai WC winner!!!

Danzig 05-20-2008 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell
He sired a freakin Dubai WC winner!!!

yeah..poor electrocutionist. he was a nice horse.

VOL JACK 05-20-2008 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Good call. I didn't realize Hialeah opened before the New Year. Thanks. I do know that I hit that late double.

Seeking the Gold was a terrific horse. He came damn close to beating Alysheba in the Classic. Looked for a second like he was going to go right by him.

I watched that race last night on HRTV. Aly never let a horse go by once he was in front. I actually think he wouldve won the TC if McCarron would have listened to JVB and put him on the lead in the Belmont. He was such a great balanced horse, a true athlete.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious
Wow. Excuse me for asking.

You are constantly explaining why everyone in racing does everything wrong with their horses while not knowing what became of Red Ransom and Eastern Echo.

It doesn't exactly strengthen your position.

King Glorious 05-20-2008 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig
you must not follow breeding much...red ransom turned into a heck of a sire. eastern echo (one i liked) did ok, but then died at 16 of a heart attack. buddy gil and swiss yodeler are probably his best known progeny.

Thank you for at least attempting to answer the question. You are correct. I don't follow breeding at all. I have zero interest in it so I don't know who has sired whom 98% of the time. What I was trying to find out is if anyone remembered what happened to them on the track, as far as what injuries there were that took them out of racing. Again though, thank you for attempting. I was beginning to think everyone was an ass for no reason.

King Glorious 05-20-2008 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
You are constantly explaining why everyone in racing does everything wrong with their horses while not knowing what became of Red Ransom and Eastern Echo.

It doesn't exactly strengthen your position.

You are amazing to me. I almost always preface my comments with "IMO" and many times, I've clearly stated that so and so trainer or owner obviously knows more about their own horses than I do before saying what I think I'd do with their position as far as I know it.

I have no position. I just look for reaction. Thank you for your usual and expected response.

blackthroatedwind 05-20-2008 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't follow breeding at all.


Which is why you constantly come up with unrealistic and convaluted schedules for horses that you seem to think make sense and nobody else in the game would follow for reasons you have now told us you don't understand at all.

Thanks for clearing that up.

King Glorious 05-20-2008 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind
Which is why you constantly come up with unrealistic and convaluted schedules for horses that you seem to think make sense and nobody else in the game would follow for reasons you have now told us you don't understand at all.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Again, thank you. Much appreciated.


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